MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: lm_gauci on June 18, 2013, 06:33:15 pm
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When i had my 1.8T Ibiza having the turbo hybridized (sp) was a good alternative to going BT. Now i appreciate that the k04 can achieve good power over the ko3 but was just curious if anyone had hybrid thier k03 and what sought of power it puts out?
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This was discussed a while back and so far as I know, no one has done it. The K04 isn't crazy money and is the best solution. You could actually go K04 and keep original injectors and fuel pump for 300-310bhp. You would have to get a custom map though as this isn't a setup that Revo, APR etc support :happy2:
That's a cheap-ish boost in power
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This was discussed a while back and so far as I know, no one has done it. The K04 isn't crazy money and is the best solution. You could actually go K04 and keep original injectors and fuel pump for 300-310bhp. You would have to get a custom map though as this isn't a setup that Revo, APR etc support :happy2:
That's a cheap-ish boost in power
APR do.
they have a few options already developed for K04 conversions on the K03 TFSI.
It was APR who gave me the idea.
- K04 with S3 injectors, stock intake, stock exhaust, stock HPFP approx 300hp
- K04 with S3 injectors, Uprated APR HPFP, stock intake, stock exhaust, approx 320hp
- K04 with S3 injectors, Uprated APR HPFP, Intake, TBE and intercooler. approx 350Hp
Option 1 makes so much sense on the K03 TFSI as that 300Hp is cheaper than making a Stage 2+ K03 setup and it makes more power with less boost/stress. Wish i had known about it back alongwhen i had my octavia tbh.
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I was just purely thinking away from the ordinary to be honest. Ideally we would all save money by going straight to a k04/BT set up etc but most people generally do things step by step. Intake, then remap and so on.
I was just thinking that if you had a ko3 gti with all stage 2 mods could a hybrid ko3 be a good option. If its not been done though i suppose it could end up being costly finding a good set-up.
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APR do.
they have a few options already developed for K04 conversions on the K03 TFSI.
It was APR who gave me the idea.
- K04 with S3 injectors, stock intake, stock exhaust, stock HPFP approx 300hp
- K04 with S3 injectors, Uprated APR HPFP, stock intake, stock exhaust, approx 320hp
- K04 with S3 injectors, Uprated APR HPFP, Intake, TBE and intercooler. approx 350Hp
Option 1 makes so much sense on the K03 TFSI as that 300Hp is cheaper than making a Stage 2+ K03 setup and it makes more power with less boost/stress. Wish i had known about it back alongwhen i had my octavia tbh.
That's intersting. What sort of cost would you be looking at for the K04 and S3 inectors? I'm assuming that 300bhp option 1 needs to include a remap as well as the hardware?
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- K04 with S3 injectors, stock intake, stock exhaust, stock HPFP approx 300hp
- K04 with S3 injectors, Uprated APR HPFP, stock intake, stock exhaust, approx 320hp
- K04 with S3 injectors, Uprated APR HPFP, Intake, TBE and intercooler. approx 350Hp
Option 1 makes so much sense on the K03 TFSI as that 300Hp is cheaper than making a Stage 2+ K03 setup and it makes more power with less boost/stress. Wish i had known about it back alongwhen i had my octavia tbh.
is this really true?
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That's intersting. What sort of cost would you be looking at for the K04 and S3 inectors? I'm assuming that 300bhp option 1 needs to include a remap as well as the hardware?
They can be had for approx £500 second hand if yoyu keep a watch on ebay and fthe forums.
is this really true?
YTed mate. I was chatting with Keith back along saying its a shame there wasnt an Octavia vRS wasnt available as a K04 as 300hp would be the sweet point. He then highlighted they had developed these in the US.
Makes sense really.
If you bolt a K04 turbo/injectors etc on the K03 TFSI engine then give it a remap for this setup, ie APR or RTECH custom, you have effectively made it the same as an ed30 stage 1.
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But IMO lose everything the k03 has to offer. I think a 2+ k03 would be a better drive on UK roads than a k04 stage 1.
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This was discussed a while back and so far as I know, no one has done it. The K04 isn't crazy money and is the best solution. You could actually go K04 and keep original injectors and fuel pump for 300-310bhp. You would have to get a custom map though as this isn't a setup that Revo, APR etc support :happy2:
That's a cheap-ish boost in power
APR do.
they have a few options already developed for K04 conversions on the K03 TFSI.
It was APR who gave me the idea.
- K04 with S3 injectors, stock intake, stock exhaust, stock HPFP approx 300hp
- K04 with S3 injectors, Uprated APR HPFP, stock intake, stock exhaust, approx 320hp
- K04 with S3 injectors, Uprated APR HPFP, Intake, TBE and intercooler. approx 350Hp
Option 1 makes so much sense on the K03 TFSI as that 300Hp is cheaper than making a Stage 2+ K03 setup and it makes more power with less boost/stress. Wish i had known about it back alongwhen i had my octavia tbh.
Hang on, do APR support K04 with original (k03 injectors) though?? IIRC Danish (or someone he knew) had run this setup on a Touran and made 300-310bhpish. As I understand it, the K03 injectors can just about flow enough for 300bhp.
That saves you the cost of the injectors and the fitting time. Perfect if you only want 300bhp :happy2:
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That i dont know. i presumed it was S3 injectors but never actually asked if they were needed.
But IMO lose everything the k03 has to offer. I think a 2+ k03 would be a better drive on UK roads than a k04 stage 1.
for a stage 2+ K03 with 280Hp (at best)
Intercooler £500
Intake £350
Downpipe £500 (Add another £500 for the cat back)
HPFP £350 (autotech is cheapest option)
Turbo Discharge/charge pipes £250
Remap £500
Total: circa £2-2.5k give or take different labour charges
Thats the car now maxed out on its setup. Nothing else to come without swapping the turbo.
My Octavia S2+ was as quick as a stage 1 Ed30 on the road particularly so in gear, but maybe not flat out top end of the rev range, but that involved a loud intake, loud exhaust, high boost, etc etc. It might be mildly better but not by a huge amount, and in a flat out pull a K04 would pull it due to the top end.
For me, i prefer quiet cars i dont like loud exhausts or intakes on an everyday car. Had i known i could have got the same performance running the car less aggressively with the option of progressing further up the tuning ladder, this is without doubt what i would have done.
Stealth performance FTW. All the performance with none of the downsides to modifying.
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imo
Intercooler £500
Intake £350
Downpipe £500 (Add another £500 for the cat back)
HPFP £350 (autotech is cheapest option)
Turbo Discharge/charge pipes £250
Remap £500
£1200 gets you a very capable car with quick spool and you can have fun within the speed limit. I prefer a nippy to 60 car over a top end power car :happy2:
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Then you will only be looking at approx 270Hp, and without the IC (I have done this myself and the logs to prove it) you will suffer heat soak on the stock IC. Something you might not be aware of until you log it especially on a hot day. My car was hitting 80degrees IAT at stage 2+ K03 on a hot day, iirc Mikes car on the same day, same road running an intercooler had IATs about 50degrees cooler, despite him being stage 2+ K04
That £1200 would get you an extra 30Hp and be alot kinder to the engine/turbo as well, along with plenty of change for other mods. The K03 is quicker spooling but its nbot enough that much IMO. Certianly not enough to cancel out a 20-30hp deficit.
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If you also factor in grabbing the intake / downpipe and HPFP second hand you can knock quite a bit more off too.. also map for £300.
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Lots of K04s on ebay for sub £500. Bit of bartering and you'll get that lower. Factor the £300 map in and thats 300 Hp for sub £800
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Then you will only be looking at approx 270Hp, and without the IC (I have done this myself and the logs to prove it) you will suffer heat soak on the stock IC. Something you might not be aware of until you log it especially on a hot day. My car was hitting 80degrees IAT at stage 2+ K03 on a hot day, iirc Mikes car on the same day, same road running an intercooler had IATs about 50degrees cooler, despite him being stage 2+ K04
That £1200 would get you an extra 30Hp and be alot kinder to the engine/turbo as well, along with plenty of change for other mods. The K03 is quicker spooling but its nbot enough that much IMO. Certianly not enough to cancel out a 20-30hp deficit.
I ran revo and had it logged and RR and was fine, not as cool as when i fitted the cooler but still ok. to me its about enjoying the drive and the k04 just doesnt feel as good as the k03 when nipping around town and to 60.
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I ran revo and had it logged and RR and was fine, not as cool as when i fitted the cooler but still ok.
What got me was the difference of nearly 50 degrees after a WOT pull between the stock cooler on mine and the APR one on mikes. Espcially when you consider they recknon for every 1oC raise in IAT is equivalent to a1Hp loss, so potentially when running S2+ with the stock cooler, after 1 run at WOT my car lost approx 50Hp for a couple of minutes until the cooler recovered. A K04 with only 300Hp wouldnt approach those IATs on the stock cooler.
to me its about enjoying the drive and the k04 just doesnt feel as good as the k03 when nipping around town and to 60.
I can see exactly where your coming from :happy2: Horse for Courses :drinking:
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That's intersting. What sort of cost would you be looking at for the K04 and S3 inectors? I'm assuming that 300bhp option 1 needs to include a remap as well as the hardware?
They can be had for approx £500 second hand if yoyu keep a watch on ebay and fthe forums.
is this really true?
YTed mate. I was chatting with Keith back along saying its a shame there wasnt an Octavia vRS wasnt available as a K04 as 300hp would be the sweet point. He then highlighted they had developed these in the US.
Makes sense really.
If you bolt a K04 turbo/injectors etc on the K03 TFSI engine then give it a remap for this setup, ie APR or RTECH custom, you have effectively made it the same as an ed30 stage 1.
i was referring more about price. the injectors aren't cheap, the turbo isn't cheap, a custom map isn't cheap (unless you go to R-Tech). but a Blueflame TBE, S3 intercooler and Autotech HPFP are all fairly inexpensive
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i was referring more about price. the injectors aren't cheap, the turbo isn't cheap, a custom map isn't cheap (unless you go to R-Tech). but a Blueflame TBE, S3 intercooler and Autotech HPFP are all fairly inexpensive
Like I said, the turbos are regularly available on ebay for approx £500(there are 4 on there now, on of which has injectors etc etc). Sometimes they come with the DV relocation and injectors, other times they dont nut they are also frequently available on the bay as well. Then there are the forums
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This was discussed a while back and so far as I know, no one has done it. The K04 isn't crazy money and is the best solution. You could actually go K04 and keep original injectors and fuel pump for 300-310bhp. You would have to get a custom map though as this isn't a setup that Revo, APR etc support :happy2:
That's a cheap-ish boost in power
APR do.
they have a few options already developed for K04 conversions on the K03 TFSI.
It was APR who gave me the idea.
- K04 with S3 injectors, stock intake, stock exhaust, stock HPFP approx 300hp
- K04 with S3 injectors, Uprated APR HPFP, stock intake, stock exhaust, approx 320hp
- K04 with S3 injectors, Uprated APR HPFP, Intake, TBE and intercooler. approx 350Hp
Option 1 makes so much sense on the K03 TFSI as that 300Hp is cheaper than making a Stage 2+ K03 setup and it makes more power with less boost/stress. Wish i had known about it back alongwhen i had my octavia tbh.
I have a KO4 sitting ready to go on, but am hesitant to put it on until I have absolutely necessary to run it safety. I've got ths fmic but stock got stock hpfp and exhaust. Granted the exhaust is changing next month to accommodate this and replace the knackered on, but as my golfs my daily I don't want to do anything that might effect reliability.
So very tempted to get the hpfp in next month with the exhaust.
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please notice 1.8T not TFSI. :star:
So k03 hybrid is a lot cheaper than a k04 as would need mani and new downpipe
Look at a k04-001 , that is what I run on my old 1.8t