MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: Msportman on August 15, 2009, 09:54:28 pm
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All booked into Awesome for APR Stage 2 APR RSC TBE system to be fitted. I've already fitted a brand new APR HPFP.
May also consider APR FMIC but he jury's out as I need a big brake kit, diff and ARB's too.
Cracking on at a pace for next years outings.
Loooking forward to the extra torque and BHP :party:
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S3 intercooler is a cheaper, viable alternative. :wink:
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S3 intercooler is a cheaper, viable alternative. :wink:
Likewise so is the THS cooler :wink:
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S3 intercooler is a cheaper, viable alternative. :wink:
Likewise so is the THS cooler :wink:
How much?
Where from?
S3 FMIC...where's best to obtain this from?
TBH I have not suffered heat soak yet on the track. :happy2: Testiment to the stock intercooler :happy2:
Brakes and a diff I suspect will be next. :smiley:
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S3 FMIC...where's best to obtain this from?
Speak to MAT ED30 as he was doing them for a reasonable price. :smiley:
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I thought you said you were looking for a quiet exhaust. :grin:
I heard Chris's AKA White GTI at a recent rolling road day and it sounded like a spitfire in a dog fight. :evilgrin:
I loved it but quiet it was not. :pomppomp:
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I thought you said you were looking for a quiet exhaust. :grin:
I heard Chris's AKA White GTI at a recent rolling road day and it sounded like a spitfire in a dog fight. :evilgrin:
I loved it but quiet it was not. :pomppomp:
Is it not quiet on the inside...I was led to believe the RSC was as quiet as stock at cruising speeds? :confused:
Their video was seem to verify this or is very noisy under normal driving otherwise it will be a Milltek resonated sysytem.
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I dont know to be honest i was just teasing i have only heard it from the outside and it was at full revs. :smiley:
I am sure its very nice on the inside of the cabin. :happy2:
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I dont know to be honest i was just teasing i have only heard it from the outside and it was at full revs. :smiley:
I am sure its very nice on the inside of the cabin. :happy2:
Perhaps White GTI can help out?
Just want to boost performance with Stage 2 but want a decent exhaust that's quiet on the inside especially at cruising speeds....don't want a boomy Scorpion type jobbie!
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not sure whitegti has the RSC system, its quite a new set-up.
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not sure whitegti has the RSC system, its quite a new set-up.
Doesn' t Cohibra have the RSC system IIRC? Might be worth giving him a PM mate.
But if you are wanting a nice sounding exhaust on full chat, but like standard with normal driving, then sounds to me like you want the Res Milltek as I was exactly the same as you in what I wanted from the exhaust and it worked perfectly.. :wink:
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Is the apr RSC a full TBE or just DP snd Cat
I have a 3" DP and Cat and it made mine sound much meatier, but not intrusive unless im press on the shout pedal. I think if i put the back box on it would be too intrusive
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The APR RSC is a TBE.
The RSC on Chris's GTi sounds awesome.
You will find the RSC quieter than some of the alternative makes out there (from within the cabin) and I know when installed mine, i was surprised at how quiet the exhaust note was when cruising around and in town traffic. Motorway cruising is great - you dont have to turn up the stereo! lol
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The APR RSC is a TBE.
The RSC on Chris's GTi sounds awesome.
You will find the RSC quieter than some of the alternative makes out there (from within the cabin) and I know when installed mine, i was surprised at how quiet the exhaust note was when cruising around and in town traffic. Motorway cruising is great - you dont have to turn up the stereo! lol
That's reassuring....how much difference would you say there is over the stock exhaust whilst cruising (within cabin)?
Just don't want the car to be turned into a max power yob mobile! One of the nice thing about the MK5 is it's refinement.
Any feedback would be great especially as the alternative is a Milltek which being resonated would be pretty quiet and give approx the same gains.
Ian
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The APR RSC is a TBE.
The RSC on Chris's GTi sounds awesome.
You will find the RSC quieter than some of the alternative makes out there (from within the cabin) and I know when installed mine, i was surprised at how quiet the exhaust note was when cruising around and in town traffic. Motorway cruising is great - you dont have to turn up the stereo! lol
That's reassuring....how much difference would you say there is over the stock exhaust whilst cruising (within cabin)?
Just don't want the car to be turned into a max power yob mobile! One of the nice thing about the MK5 is it's refinement.
Any feedback would be great especially as the alternative is a Milltek which being resonated would be pretty quiet and give approx the same gains.
Ian
Cruising around at any speed is as quiet as stock IMO. It is when you give it beans it sounds like no other exhaust on the planet.
It sounds fantastic. :happy2:
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It certainly is a completely different sound, I think it sounds :evilgrin:, totally different than milltek, more like blueflame but higher pitched some how
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nice :congrats:
stealth or RSC , whilst I was in drooling last week.
stealth was likened to an M3 E46 metallic sound
RSC deeper and quiet at cruising (its big selling point)
If I could afford it it would be RSC :happy2: (and under car mirrors cos its gorgeous :evilgrin:)
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The more I heard and read about the APR RSC exhaust I think it probably the best system (excluding it's high price tag) if you want an exhaust that quiet at cruising speeds but comes alive the pressing on. :evilgrin:
Given the choice again I am sure I wouldn't have a Milltek on the car now :sad1:
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APR it is then....seems the best all round solution for a quiet cruiser but a :evilgrin: when needed! :grin:
When I sell the car I will taking off these bit's if anyone's interested...not for a while yet though!
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Ian are you going to the aswome anniversary meet next Sunday. :smiley:
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Off all the things that APR do, I believe that only 2 of their products are the best in the world. One being their HPFP and the other being the RSC exhaust system.
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Ian are you going to the aswome anniversary meet next Sunday. :smiley:
Hopefully yes...depends on holiday arrangements.
Will be there on Thursday for sure for fitment and stage 2 mapping.
Must say this forum has a very bad influence on one's self control !
Must stop!
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Off all the things that APR do, I believe that only 2 of their products are the best in the world. One being their HPFP and the other being the RSC exhaust system.
I've always liked their mapping TBH too and was pleasantly surprised by VWR verdict last time I visited recently.
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Ian are you going to the aswome anniversary meet next Sunday. :smiley:
Hopefully yes...depends on holiday arrangements.
Will be there on Thursday for sure for fitment and stage 2 mapping.
Must say this forum has a very bad influence on one's self control !
Must stop!
Hopefully see you Sunday, i would like to take you out in mine if we get chance as i would like your opinion on my clubsport set up. They perform amazingly but i would like a second opinion on the noise when going over bumps and pot holes. :happy2::happy2:
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and I look forward to hearing the RSC :laugh:
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Off all the things that APR do, I believe that only 2 of their products are the best in the world. One being their HPFP and the other being the RSC exhaust system.
I've always liked their mapping TBH too and was pleasantly surprised by VWR verdict last time I visited recently.
I like their mapping too as well (World best again, but on K03.)I just think they need to look at thier K04 map again. I think as the USA market don't get the K04 as default, I think they havn't spent as much time (money) on development.
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Off all the things that APR do, I believe that only 2 of their products are the best in the world. One being their HPFP and the other being the RSC exhaust system.
I've always liked their mapping TBH too and was pleasantly surprised by VWR verdict last time I visited recently.
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Off all the things that APR do, I believe that only 2 of their products are the best in the world. One being their HPFP and the other being the RSC exhaust system.
I've always liked their mapping TBH too and was pleasantly surprised by VWR verdict last time I visited recently.
I like their mapping too as well (World best again, but on K03.)I just think they need to look at thier K04 map again. I think as the USA market don't get the K04 as default, I think they havn't spent as much time (money) on development.
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They've recently revised it again I am led to believe....I'm looking forward to their stage 2 mapping....I spoke to Awesome on Friday as Jim and Mark went to the US last week to arrange more technical input for the UK market especially on forums. I believe Keith from APR will be adding tech advice to the forums.
I found this new pump code super smooth...as did VWR.
I will try and get Jim to RR before and after if time allows.
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Ian are you going to the aswome anniversary meet next Sunday. :smiley:
Hopefully yes...depends on holiday arrangements.
Will be there on Thursday for sure for fitment and stage 2 mapping.
Must say this forum has a very bad influence on one's self control !
Must stop!
Hopefully see you Sunday, i would like to take you out in mine if we get chance as i would like your opinion on my clubsport set up. They perform amazingly but i would like a second opinion on the noise when going over bumps and pot holes. :happy2::happy2:
No probs...I've been tinkering with settings (rebound) on my car today...tried softer on rear....very comfortable for passenger...now trying hard rebound on rear....turns in very sharp....will tightemed up fronts.....runs very flat....wondering if I need ARB's! :happy2:
Definately don't need WALK with adjustable camber....diff will be very useful though especially with Dunlop Inters on track it should be ballistic.
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They've recently revised it again I am led to believe....I'm looking forward to their stage 2 mapping....I spoke to Awesome on Friday as Jim and Mark went to the US last week to arrange more technical input for the UK market especially on forums. I believe Keith from APR will be adding tech advice to the forums.
I found this new pump code super smooth...as did VWR.
I will try and get Jim to RR before and after if time allows.
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Have ther revised all Ko4 maps or Just the ED30 as i have had the stage 2+ for the Cupra 12 months now
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They've recently revised it again I am led to believe....I'm looking forward to their stage 2 mapping....I spoke to Awesome on Friday as Jim and Mark went to the US last week to arrange more technical input for the UK market especially on forums. I believe Keith from APR will be adding tech advice to the forums.
I found this new pump code super smooth...as did VWR.
I will try and get Jim to RR before and after if time allows.
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Have ther revised all Ko4 maps or Just the ED30 as i have had the stage 2+ for the Cupra 12 months now
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I'll find out...I'm not looking for peak figures but delivery....smoother the better.
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"I'll find out...I'm not looking for peak figures but delivery....smoother the better."
Thanks would be good to get a few more Bhp though if it was available .
Jon
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yeah gaz eluded to some revised maps APR have done.
be great if theres a stage 1 ED30 update :happy2:
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yeah gaz eluded to some revised maps APR have done.
be great if theres a stage 1 ED30 update :happy2:
Thats was what I heard at Awesome.... :grin:
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Well I visited Awesome yesterday and duly had my APR TBE RSC exhaust fitted including Stage 2 mapping.
Just lovin the noise....amazingly it's quiet in the cabin which was always my concern....it's blimmin fantastic...sounds like a Ferrari 430 through the tunnel nearby...what a system and it's unleashed even more grunt with stage 2....seems like a stock delivery...smoother than stage 1!
Didn't bother to dyno it as I'm not particularly overly fussed over figures!!
Well worth it and it's made it into a car with two characters....quiet and refined when cruising and a beast with attitude when gunning it.....makes people look but nice and discreet when driving normally.
Unfortunately the other half wants to move house which means I will be selling the car at some stage. :sad1:
I may sell the car as it is so if anyone knows of someone who maybe interested let me know. I may put it back to OE and sell my APR pump,exhaust and Clubsports which I will advertise on here. What I will buy to replace it will be difficult but I will be forced back into my daily hack for a bit.
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Good stuff glad your happy. Why not just keep the car and dump the wife. :laugh: :pomppomp:
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Good stuff glad your happy. Why not just keep the car and dump the wife. :laugh: :pomppomp:
Or he could try selling the wife... :laugh:
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good feedback :happy2: seems all stg2's are smoother in delivery than stg1 :happy2:
seems a shame to get your car this far and have to sell?
maybe just put it back to stock and keep it ? :wink:
[edit : I have just remembered you have Edition 30 : plaque number 30 : keep it :notworthy:]
Id be interested in your pump and RSC exhaust should the worst happen and you have to sell :confused: :evilgrin:
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good feedback :happy2: seems all stg2's are smoother in delivery than stg1 :happy2:
seems a shame to get your car this far and have to sell?
maybe just put it back to stock and keep it ? :wink:
[edit : I have just remembered you have Edition 30 : plaque number 30 : keep it :notworthy:]
Id be interested in your pump and RSC exhaust should the worst happen and you have to sell :confused: :evilgrin:
Will be keeping for the time being :happy2:
Just lovin it at the moment.
Ian
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One question that you guys maybe able to help.
I currently am running a stock airbox with this set but do have a K&N filter in place. Am I losing out much on power/torque by not using an induction kit such as a Carbonni or similar? They seem quite expensive but I'mn wondering how restrictive the stock airbox is?
So far the car is performing great. The power and torque is smoother than stage 1 but I would like to see some RR results at some stage.
Having a Quaiffe will be the icing on the cake as would big brakes but it ain;t too bad as it is TBH. :wink:
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it is restrictive and you could make good gains , but you dont 'need' it.
however youve come this far and your car is highly modified , so Id say why not , plus some extra noise is always nice ....
would need to be a replacement intake for the whole cover though , carbonio is not worth it for your car.
would need ITG/Forge twintake/Dhilbas etc type tube things :happy2:
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it is restrictive and you could make good gains , but you dont 'need' it.
however youve come this far and your car is highly modified , so Id say why not , plus some extra noise is always nice ....
would need to be a replacement intake for the whole cover though , carbonio is not worth it for your car.
would need ITG/Forge twintake/Dhilbas etc type tube things :happy2:
Cheers John....I have sent Keith @ APR to comment on this issue to guage their oppinion on the stock configuration.
Do you run one on your car?
Where's best to obtain one on the item's you've mentioned?
Ian
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I dont run any kind of intake ...................yet :laugh:
theres 3 new air intake kits in the pipeline, due for release very soon so you may want to wait a bit....
Forge twintake (still pending)
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5753.0 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5753.0)
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6546.0 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6546.0)
ITG intake (still pending)
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6961.0 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6961.0)
VWR intake (still pending)
no details available , unless you call them :wink:
existing kits
Carbonio
Dhilbas
Powerflow
Evoms
Carbonspeed
(have I missed any?)
I would research existing kits VERY carefully (esp on golfmkv.com) , as some people have reported issues with these kits.
Noise , fitment , longevity , filter type (oiled etc) , cost , do they use original cover etc as aspects to consider.
Are you keeping the car or moving on in a year etc
hth
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[Note : as one opinion Teutonic_Tamer does not endorse fitment of ANY aftermarket intakes.
Paper filter OE only but the decision is up to you]
[Note : this could be another FAQ :signLOL:]
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APR/Carbonio are due to bring out a stage 2 intake for the FSI and TSI as well so make that 4 new intakes!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.goapr.com%2Fincludes%2Fimg%2Fproducts%2Fcarbonio_intake_mkv_tsi_017.jpg&hash=6625b8ea96f8f70d560e3087b5714555e4df3135)
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nice one :happy2:
wads of choice now, although knowing Msportman I suspect I know which one he'll go for :wink: :signLOL:
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nice one :happy2:
wads of choice now, although knowing Msportman I suspect I know which one he'll go for :wink: :signLOL:
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Got this reply yesterday from Keith @ APR:
For your car, I would only recommend the Carbonio due to some issues with resizing the MAF housing. The Carbonio replaces the front scoop and air filter but maintains the oem maf housing and airbox. It does provide a real 7-10 hp and torque on average. Because the oem airbox is maintained the sound volume is only slightly elevated not like a "filter on a stick" loudness at all. The Stage 2 ecu upgrade is great with or without an intake as its not enough of a difference to warrant a specific calibration.
I hope to be on the forums alot! I am trying to devote at least 2 hours a day to UK forums.
Further evaluation on APR Stage 2.
I went out today after altering my KW settings further and tried stock performance programme 1. This programme feels even more proggressive and is superbly judged with the APR RSC. The lower torque levels and is an ideal rain/winter programme with slippery conditions. It also gives a good turn of speed on the motorway and the power is mellowed out with the lack of back pressure it feels less aggressive lower down the rev range than with the stock exhaust but pulls cleaner and stronger higher up.
I tried the cornering abilities on a few of my favourite stretches including a couple of roundabouts with ESP engaged and it was surprised at the high degree of stability and little roll there is on the Clubsports....I doubt that I will be changing the ARB's.
ESP does a really good job with the Clubsports which give better front end bite and traction but I have found switching off ESP on the stock programme means that traction is easier moddulated than on the stock suspension. The extra camber deffinately helps !
Switching to Stage 2 again I have found a less aggressive approach to high speed cornering is key with the huge torque levels. I experimented on a couple of bends with ESP on and off and found that slow in hoofing out in a higher gear was less successful than slighty higher entry speed using 4th gear torque. Washing wide and general wheel spin was greatly reduced and the diesel like torque pulls the car out incredibly well especially out of low speed corners (country roads).
A diff would deffinately help for ultimate road and track work but it can wait. I'm hoping to hold onto the car for the time being. As a package it is incredible even the EBC Yellowstuff pads and Motul fluid has made a huge improvement over stock pads.
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I'll find out...I'm not looking for peak figures but delivery....smoother the better.
Did You manage to find out if they had updated the ko4 maps :happy2:
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Yes the ED30 maps were optimised last year by APR. They were at Awesome for 4 days optimising their ED30 map.
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Wonder if they did anything to the Cupra Map :smiley:
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Wonder if they did anything to the Cupra Map :smiley:
Similar code but different box code....give Awesome a bell...speak to Jim or Dean.
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Wonder if they did anything to the Cupra Map :smiley:
Similar code but different box code....give Awesome a bell...speak to Jim or Dean.
Thanks :happy2: