MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: vagmaster on August 18, 2009, 10:16:51 pm
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Please can anyone help me decide if by replacing my mk5 R32 engine with a edition 30 engine, will it be a better allrounder? As we know, the R32 are slow, but have the 4 wheel drive system, the edition 30 engine is much more disireable
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Get it supercharged :notworthy:
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I just cast my vote in the wanted section. :signLOL: how many cars have you got. :evilgrin:
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I voted for '?' :rolleye:
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:popcornsoda:
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:party: :party: SUPERCHARGE or BI-TURBO :party: :party:
easy 600bhp with all the noise
huge cost though
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Supercharger is very expensive at this time while the dollar is high.
I have a RS4 also but got quoted 30 - 40k for a supercharger.
Do you have any links?
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I think that would be a blinding idea, probably alot more tunability for your money and alot lighter as well.
but why put a edition 30 engine in there when you could do an S3 which also has the cams?
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Putting a chaarger on the R32, will be a more viable idea, both for cost and power. And you keep that lovely noise, I still remember my MKIV and MKV!!!
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Supercharger is very expensive at this time while the dollar is high.
I have a RS4 also but got quoted 30 - 40k for a supercharger.
Do you have any links?
RK engineering offered me the first UK supercharger from VR6 Specialist in holland, easy 600bhp+ on their MK5 left hookers and needed a UK RHD car to develop their kit
£6000ish would see you fitted and mapped and ready to play
ask for simon 01872 553839, based in the southwest and utter legends with all things VAG
also, as far as i know they were planning to offer a big discount for the first car too. nothing to do with the charger, thats all good, more the lhd to rhd logistics :happy2:
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You don't own a black r32 09 plate do you?
Totally destroyed one on the a3 heading south out of London the other night, was v surprised how slow they are they compared to a tuned ed30,
You are talking bucks to supecharge or turbo one best of getting a s3 and going stage 2+ revo
much more cost effective
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Lol, not me... They sound amazing but for power & speed they are pretty poor. I have to give them credit for being able to merely stop an set off again in gears up to 4th though.
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How much have you been quoted on the ED30/S3 engine?
Supercharged R32 would show all ED30's up :scared:
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Please can anyone help me decide if by replacing my mk5 R32 engine with a edition 30 engine, will it be a better allrounder? As we know, the R32 are slow, but have the 4 wheel drive system, the edition 30 engine is much more disireable
....Sorry but either this just isn't making sense or I'm being thick (though my excuse is that it's 2:00am):
The Mk5 R32 will have all sorts of transmission and other differences from the Ed30 which involve more than just an engine change. Or are you thinking of hooking an Ed30 engine to drive '4WD'?
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I think that is his plan Robin, but there are undoubtedly going to be issues with the bell housings, ECU, all engine plumbing as well.
It would be easier to completely strip the entire engine/loom/ecu/clocks out and replace with the items from an S3. As then, you will at least have the necessary gearbox/transfer box that will mate up to the haldex 4wd system, but the clocks wouldnt fit most likely, so a genius would be required on that side of things to bypass the security with the standard R clocks.
Although, i have to admit, its a totally pointless excercise. It would be cheaper just buying an S3 and selling the R or even super/turbo charging the R.
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An ED30 motor'd R32 is going to be a world of pain to try and sell, where as a charged R32, at least you can strip the kit off and sell it seperately to get some money back.
I'm sure someone will gladly relieve you of many thousands of pounds to make it work, a fool and his money are easily parted, as they say.
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Although, i have to admit, its a totally pointless excercise. It would be cheaper just buying an S3 and selling the R or even super/turbo charging the R.
....I tend to agree! Super/turbo charging the R would be favourite for me.
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Although, i have to admit, its a totally pointless excercise. It would be cheaper just buying an S3 and selling the R or even super/turbo charging the R.
....I tend to agree! Super/turbo charging the R would be favourite for me.
+3 :happy2:
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a tuned edition 30 engine produces a fair amount of torque, so what the fcuk would a bloody great TWIN turbo or supercharged R32 engine produce. More than enough to trouble the 4WD i bet, my friends WR1 impreza is runing 380bhp and he can light his wheels up easily
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The other point to make is that even if you were to fit an ED30 engine it would never be as quick as an identical ED30 as the 4WD system will make the car heavier. :stupid:
(Cue the wet weather conditions quotes! :laugh:)
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Thankyou everybody for your views on this topic. After ringing around a few companys, I have decided on supercharging my R32 early next year.
Also if anybody knows of a second hand mk5 supercharger... Let me know asap please!!
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i thought that haldex controller could allow you to bias most of the power to the rear wheels, if thats the case, i think it might be better in corners full stopwet or dry, ed 30 in a straight line though
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You have to buy a race Hadlex controller, but by god, do they make a difference!!
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There is already a 2.0T FSI 4WD car available.. Swapping the engine would not be an easy task at all!
You would need the S3 running gear, so effectively your making a Golf bodied S3.. Pretty expensive and would make far more sense to go with an S3 if thats what your after..
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You have to buy a race Hadlex controller, but by god, do they make a difference!!
^^^^ Nathan, take note! :evilgrin:
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You have to buy a race Hadlex controller, but by god, do they make a difference!!
^^^^ Nathan, take note! :evilgrin:
:innocent:
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ludicrous idea!
Who would want to buy an R with an ED30 engine?
Sell the R and buy an ED30!
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ed 30 in a straight line though
Yeah, 300 fwd cars are usually quicker than 500bhp 4wd cars :signLOL:
Although, i have to admit, its a totally pointless excercise. It would be cheaper just buying an S3 and selling the R or even super/turbo charging the R.
Erm,
R32 + Turbo = £21k and 500bhp
S3 + Remap = £21k and 350(ish?) bhp
Not sure what you mean mate?
Turbo the 32 is the much better idea over an ED30 with 4wd, thats called an S3!
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this threads warming up nicely :popcornsoda: :smiley:
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ed 30 in a straight line though
Yeah, 300 fwd cars are usually quicker than 500bhp 4wd cars :signLOL:
Although, i have to admit, its a totally pointless excercise. It would be cheaper just buying an S3 and selling the R or even super/turbo charging the R.
Erm,
R32 + Turbo = £21k and 500bhp
S3 + Remap = £21k and 350(ish?) bhp
Not sure what you mean mate?
Turbo the 32 is the much better idea over an ED30 with 4wd, thats called an S3!
Obviously, it was pretty clear for those that can read! :wink:
I advised that Super/Turboing was the way to go if he wants to stick with his current car. Otherwise, buy an S3. Putting an S3 drivetrain into the .:R would not be cost effective and cost many thousands more.
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buy a mk6 golf r :wink:
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is that getting a different engine, maybe going the route of the S3 instead, it'd make more sense
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lol now he owns a white edition 30 and a r32 hes big in the VAG game aint you .
1 of my fellow mates from huddersfield
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is that getting a different engine, maybe going the route of the S3 instead, it'd make more sense
The mk6 GTI R will have a 2.0 turbo'd engine producing 265bhp :drool:
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Please can anyone help me decide if by replacing my mk5 R32 engine with a edition 30 engine, will it be a better allrounder? As we know, the R32 are slow, but have the 4 wheel drive system, the edition 30 engine is much more disireable
....Sorry but either this just isn't making sense or I'm being thick (though my excuse is that it's 2:00am):
The Mk5 R32 will have all sorts of transmission and other differences from the Ed30 which involve more than just an engine change.
It may have different transmissions - but they will all be interchangable due to the standardised engine block mounting positions etc.
Or are you thinking of hooking an Ed30 engine to drive '4WD'?
No, he wants to change the VR6 engine in an R32 to a 4pot turbo - but as others have suggested, the S3 mota would be a better option than an Ed30 lump.
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i thought that haldex controller could allow you to bias most of the power to the rear wheels, if thats the case, i think it might be better in corners full stopwet or dry, ed 30 in a straight line though
Nope - more Haldex BS. The race controller AT best only alows a maximum bias of 50:50 distribution. NO front engined Haldex can EVER put more than 50% of the drive to the rear axle!
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Personally i think the idea of swapping engines will just be a waste of time, like many others have said there will be lots of issues which will all require cash so you will be better off putting the money towards either a charger or turbo. Then when it comes to selling it that will be a big ballache.
We have built and look after a mk4 r32 running a huge turbo which is only currently 450hp and its awesome :driver:. This winter its going for a complete rebuild and setup to produce around the 600hp and its going to be imense :jumping:.
Personally i prefere turbo over charger but it all depends on what you want out of your car.