MK5 Golf GTI

All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Janner_Sy on August 19, 2009, 04:03:45 pm

Title: big turbo mk5 comparison with similar spec Focus ST, Audi S3, astra VXR
Post by: Janner_Sy on August 19, 2009, 04:03:45 pm
http://www.morego.co.uk/cms_files_road_tests/19_1_076_hot_hatches_sub.pdf

regal 407bhp mk5
Audi S3 400bhp
Astra VXR 420BHP
Focus ST a mere 327bhp!!!

anyone notice that the VXR power in the acceleration is lower than every other model even though the all produce less power. its practically equivalent to the focus which is 100bhp less. what a bag of spag.
Its quite an interesting read actually

[/quote407bhp
Golf (claimed to be the UK’s fastest mk5)[/quote] how would this have rated to jonnyc ed30??
Title: Re: big turbo mk5 comparison with similar spec Focus ST, Audi S3, astra VXR
Post by: snapey on August 19, 2009, 04:18:22 pm
I'm sure this was in evo about 4/5 months ago, either way at the time it made good reading.
Title: Re: big turbo mk5 comparison with similar spec Focus ST, Audi S3, astra VXR
Post by: Hurdy on August 19, 2009, 04:23:01 pm
Yes it was.

I have it in my back catalogue :happy2:

Regals car has more power now too :innocent:
Title: Re: big turbo mk5 comparison with similar spec Focus ST, Audi S3, astra VXR
Post by: Janner_Sy on August 19, 2009, 04:33:52 pm
ah, dont read evo often, normally has cars way outta my league, prefer performance car magazine myself.

Cant believe how bad the VXR is, that is a poorly put together package.
that little side article with the corsa VXR saying it was going ot have a crack at the nurburgring R26R lap record, dont know how that'll owrk, if the meganne gets a remap+ a few choicegoodies that corsa aint touching it.
Title: Re: big turbo mk5 comparison with similar spec Focus ST, Audi S3, astra VXR
Post by: jonnyc on August 19, 2009, 04:40:19 pm
407bhp Golf (claimed to be the UK’s fastest mk5) how would this have rated to jonnyc ed30??

Even with 465hp it was no where near unfortunately..
Title: Re: big turbo mk5 comparison with similar spec Focus ST, Audi S3, astra VXR
Post by: Hurdy on August 19, 2009, 04:50:05 pm
407bhp Golf (claimed to be the UK’s fastest mk5) how would this have rated to jonnyc ed30??

Even with 465hp it was no where near unfortunately..

Needs DSG :wink:
Title: Re: big turbo mk5 comparison with similar spec Focus ST, Audi S3, astra VXR
Post by: snapey on August 19, 2009, 04:55:21 pm
ah, dont read evo often, normally has cars way outta my league, prefer performance car magazine myself.

Cant believe how bad the VXR is, that is a poorly put together package.
that little side article with the corsa VXR saying it was going ot have a crack at the nurburgring R26R lap record, dont know how that'll owrk, if the meganne gets a remap+ a few choicegoodies that corsa aint touching it.

I’m sure the blokes name is waynevxr or something along those lines, have a look on vxronline if you’re interested. I can't be bothered because 99% of them on there talk sh*te. I think he failed at that attempt but don't quote me on it but I know its pushing well over 300 brake now.

Luke
Title: Re: big turbo mk5 comparison with similar spec Focus ST, Audi S3, astra VXR
Post by: Janner_Sy on August 19, 2009, 05:08:21 pm
407bhp Golf (claimed to be the UK’s fastest mk5) how would this have rated to jonnyc ed30??

Even with 465hp it was no where near unfortunately..

is that cos they have over exagerated the power output, or is it down to the fat busting program you subjected the car to
Title: Re: big turbo mk5 comparison with similar spec Focus ST, Audi S3, astra VXR
Post by: jonnyc on August 19, 2009, 05:09:33 pm
ah, dont read evo often, normally has cars way outta my league, prefer performance car magazine myself.

Cant believe how bad the VXR is, that is a poorly put together package.
that little side article with the corsa VXR saying it was going ot have a crack at the nurburgring R26R lap record, dont know how that'll owrk, if the meganne gets a remap+ a few choicegoodies that corsa aint touching it.

I’m sure the blokes name is waynevxr or something along those lines, have a look on vxronline if you’re interested. I can't be bothered because 99% of them on there talk sh*te. I think he failed at that attempt but don't quote me on it but I know its pushing well over 300 brake now.

Luke


Dont think that car has got into the 13's yet either.. Got some nice bits on it though..
407bhp Golf (claimed to be the UK’s fastest mk5) how would this have rated to jonnyc ed30??

Even with 465hp it was no where near unfortunately..

is that cos they have over exagerated the power output, or is it down to the fat busting program you subjected the car to

There is a number of excuses.. Main one being DSG.. Yes DSG helps but its hardly night and day if you can drive a manual properly..
Title: Re: big turbo mk5 comparison with similar spec Focus ST, Audi S3, astra VXR
Post by: Janner_Sy on August 19, 2009, 05:09:46 pm
impressed with the focus ST though, it did well for it self amongst the competition there.
Title: Re: big turbo mk5 comparison with similar spec Focus ST, Audi S3, astra VXR
Post by: mortygttdi on August 19, 2009, 05:44:03 pm
The ST with a remap, exhaust and better intercooler will not be far off an ED30 power wise but the torque on them is silly,  having the 2.5 5pot from the volvo it makes its torque quite low down and just keeps going,

Plus the ST Focus platform is the same has the S60 so the awd system goes straight on with only small modification,  The BSR focus ST is pushing just shy of 500bhp and about 450lb ft torque it also uses the awd system,  its insane fast.

When I had my ST it was not really fast has standard but once the bluefin stage1 was on "claimed 271bhp" it was miles better then the milltek went on and the decat and the k&n genII then superchips downloaded me the stage2 with O2 delete :grin: the sound is amazing like an old rally quattro. The only thing I didn't have to push it over 300bhp was the intercooler.

The new RS will be some weapon once remapped "claimed 341bhp and 545nm of torque" add to that a full tbe and decat and an even bigger intercooler :drool:

But then again you'll need to visit every petrol station on your journey :scared:  and id still rather have the Golf Gti

Darren

 

Title: Re: big turbo mk5 comparison with similar spec Focus ST, Audi S3, astra VXR
Post by: Janner_Sy on August 19, 2009, 05:50:16 pm
oh thats a tough call, id take the RS in white i think. im a big fan of focus ST's though. its the only non Vag hot hatch i like.
Title: Re: big turbo mk5 comparison with similar spec Focus ST, Audi S3, astra VXR
Post by: Hurdy on August 19, 2009, 10:34:57 pm
There were a few ST's at the Pod when we were there in February. I think they just silently left once they saw all the ED30 times :grin:

I've yet to see an RS go down the Pod, but they are quoting 14. something for the sprint, which is not bad, but my ED30 did a 14.32 stock, so the RS isn't really that fast with the extra lard it has to carry (1467kg)
Title: Re: big turbo mk5 comparison with similar spec Focus ST, Audi S3, astra VXR
Post by: Janner_Sy on August 19, 2009, 10:39:41 pm
dynamically though its leaps ahead. Im suprised the 5pot ST engine isnt more tunable TBH. would have been good to see their faces, bet some of them even thought they were just tuned GTI's which would have been an even better shock.
Title: Re: big turbo mk5 comparison with similar spec Focus ST, Audi S3, astra VXR
Post by: mortygttdi on August 20, 2009, 06:10:07 am
Agree'd Hurdy the RS is one heavy hatch back it would be excusable if it had awd but it doesn't, what a shed  :stupid: and come to think of it why didn't I just buy a gti instead of the ST at the time that I did buy my ST :sad1: what an  :booty:

I wish I could turn the clock back.

Darren

Title: Re: big turbo mk5 comparison with similar spec Focus ST, Audi S3, astra VXR
Post by: Hurdy on August 20, 2009, 08:18:50 am
dynamically though its leaps ahead. Im suprised the 5pot ST engine isnt more tunable TBH. would have been good to see their faces, bet some of them even thought they were just tuned GTI's which would have been an even better shock.

Dynamically the RS will be ahead of the game, if only for the fact it has a proper Quaife LSD. Having said that it's basic price is £25k, so it should have an advantage anyway. Give a MKV/MKVI GTI a quaife LSD, some proper coilovers and a remap for £3k over it's basic £22k price and there isn't going to be much difference at all. Buy one of the few remaining ED30/Pirelli's at a knockdown price and do the same thing and you'll see off the RS with no problems an probably have change from the £25k to do the HPFP,intake and zorst for stage 2+ and the RS would be a dot in the rear view mirror :happy2:
Title: Re: big turbo mk5 comparison with similar spec Focus ST, Audi S3, astra VXR
Post by: Janner_Sy on August 20, 2009, 10:54:42 am
that is very true. Is there an Ed 30 engine available for the mk6 at the moment
Title: Re: big turbo mk5 comparison with similar spec Focus ST, Audi S3, astra VXR
Post by: mortygttdi on August 20, 2009, 04:16:58 pm
No but apparently the mk6 golf GTI has uprated internals anyway not sure what is uprated but its suppose to be a better engine.  

Has far as the RS goes have a look on autocar and see the new clio RS200 spank the RS bottom round millbrook :grin: for a light car like the clio with 100hp less that is some going.

Darren

Title: Re: big turbo mk5 comparison with similar spec Focus ST, Audi S3, astra VXR
Post by: Hurdy on August 20, 2009, 04:20:07 pm
that is very true. Is there an Ed 30 engine available for the mk6 at the moment

No ED30 engine ........yet!

The ED30 engine is in the Scirocco R which is available to order now and that has 265bhp as stock and comes with the E diff and the adjustable electronic suspension. It is FWD

The ED30 engine will make an appearance in the new Golf R20. That will have 4WD and 265bhp as stock.
 :smiley: