MK5 Golf GTI
General => Detailing => Topic started by: George10 on July 28, 2013, 10:41:00 pm
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Currently waiting form new wheels to arrive and I would like to seal them before i put them on..
Which is the new seelent to buy?
Thanks
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FK1000P.
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Cheers :pomppomp:
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I use poor boys wheel sealant
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I use swissvax autobahn or you could try gtechniq c5 :)
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Only bother with sealant if you clean your wheels very regularly. If you are like me and only clean your car once every 2 weeks then the wax will be of no use, ad brake dust will embed its self. (thats what ive found anyway)
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FK1000P
The tin is huge, is half the price of GTechniq C5 and cheaper than most other wheel sealants (for the amount you get) and the bonus is that you can use it on your car as well as it is a great sealant.
:happy2:
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I've just ordered some :happy2:
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A ceramic coating is the best such as c5 (which is also the same as c1 and c4 confusingly)
Waxes never really last as long often because of the extreme conditions they are put through. Very high temperature followed by rapid cooling. Waxes can not really deal with that.
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A ceramic coating is the best such as c5 (which is also the same as c1 and c4 confusingly)
Waxes never really last as long often because of the extreme conditions they are put through. Very high temperature followed by rapid cooling. Waxes can not really deal with that.
Not true at all.
I tested FK1000P against a C5 that I bought off Richwig on here. I put the FK1000p on one front wheel and C5 on the other. I went away for 8 months and my wife was instructed on how to clean the wheels. Basically she PW rinsed them and the car once a week (over winter).
When I came back both were still protecting the wheels and both to the same extent. I.E similar beading and ease of cleaning.
No doubt if you were to get the microscope out then the C5 may well be doing something better. But in the real world FK1000p performs just as well if not better.
The thing about FK is the ease of application & removal. You can coat all 4 wheels at once (assuming you have a lift or 2 at once if using axle stands) let it cure for 30-60 mins depending on the weather. Then buff off. I always apply 2 coats to ensure full coverage.
C5 is a pain to apply as you have to apply it a sector at a time and buff off straight away or it crystallises. I did a quarter of the wheel at a time. I left it 24hrs and put on another coat (to ensure coverage & fairness for the test)
Don't believe all the hype you read online especially when it comes to detailing. Something I learnt quite quickly. GTechniq make some good products, I have C1, C4, C5 (yes I know they are all the same), C2v3, C1.5v2, G1, G2, G4, G5 & I1 (which is very good stuff)
But there are other products out there that perform just as well and in some cases better. A lot of it is in the eye of the person who has the product. Especially if they have bought it.
FK1000p is a high temp resistant paste sealant. The main decisive factor for me is that it performs just as good as C1,4,5 and will last a few years as the tin is hooooooge.
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I had forgotten id sold you that.
I used C5 when i had my refurb, and it was good.... but my lazy approach to cleaning meant that the brake dust (drilled discs kick out loads of sh*te) just burn through the coating!
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I'm using auto finesse mint rims at the moment and it seems to be good-only time will tell....
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I use poor boys wheel sealant, seems to do the job
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Not true at all.
I tested FK1000P against a C5 that I bought off Richwig on here. I put the FK1000p on one front wheel and C5 on the other. I went away for 8 months and my wife was instructed on how to clean the wheels. Basically she PW rinsed them and the car once a week (over winter).
It's very true. I myself run Collinite 476s (which is more durable than FK1000p) and it lasts for maybe 3 months tops. I have seen ceramic coatings (and I shall link you to one in a little bit) last for over 2 years on a car with huuuuge 360mm discs and sintered pads.
I would expect a year durability.
When I came back both were still protecting the wheels and both to the same extent. I.E similar beading and ease of cleaning.
No doubt if you were to get the microscope out then the C5 may well be doing something better. But in the real world FK1000p performs just as well if not better.
"Just as well" - not better. the durability of C5 and any other ceramic coating is all in the application. The wheel MUST MUST MUST MUST be THOROUGHLY Iron X'd, clayed, Iron X'd again, followed by an IPA wipe down to ensure that absolutely nothing interferes with the bond between the sealant and the clear coat.
The thing about FK is the ease of application & removal. You can coat all 4 wheels at once (assuming you have a lift or 2 at once if using axle stands) let it cure for 30-60 mins depending on the weather. Then buff off. I always apply 2 coats to ensure full coverage.
C5 is a pain to apply as you have to apply it a sector at a time and buff off straight away or it crystallises. I did a quarter of the wheel at a time. I left it 24hrs and put on another coat (to ensure coverage & fairness for the test)
I know what you're saying - regular waxes are easier to apply absolutely. However C1/C4/C5 is not "hard" to apply and you have about a 15-20 minute period where you can wipe it away without anything being formed. You can apply it completely to one entire wheel quite happily. The newer versions C1+ can be left for several hours! They were super difficult once upon a time but not as of late.
Don't believe all the hype you read online especially when it comes to detailing. Something I learnt quite quickly. GTechniq make some good products, I have C1, C4, C5 (yes I know they are all the same), C2v3, C1.5v2, G1, G2, G4, G5 & I1 (which is very good stuff)
But there are other products out there that perform just as well and in some cases better. A lot of it is in the eye of the person who has the product. Especially if they have bought it.
I completely agree. I don't speak from hype I speak from experience. I take everything with a pinch of salt but on Detailing World most people there know their stuff - and if 50 people are saying that it works better for them than a regular wax then it probably is better than a regular wax.
FK1000p is a high temp resistant paste sealant. The main decisive factor for me is that it performs just as good as C1,4,5 and will last a few years as the tin is hooooooge.
The cost -> durability is very good in terms of the tin size. That's probably the deciding factor ultimately, the cost.
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=317011
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iron x > polish > poorboys. :happy2:
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It's very true. I myself run Collinite 476s (which is more durable than FK1000p) and it lasts for maybe 3 months tops. I have seen ceramic coatings (and I shall link you to one in a little bit) last for over 2 years on a car with huuuuge 360mm discs and sintered pads.
I would expect a year durability.
Opinion is divided on FK & Colli. Also YOU haven't seen a Ceramic coating last 2yrs. Only what someone else has posted. I would be extremely surprised if any coating lasted that long on a car that was driven daily especially in the UK. Maybe in the outback of Australia were that link is for. But certainly not in the UK
"Just as well" - not better. the durability of C5 and any other ceramic coating is all in the application. The wheel MUST MUST MUST MUST be THOROUGHLY Iron X'd, clayed, Iron X'd again, followed by an IPA wipe down to ensure that absolutely nothing interferes with the bond between the sealant and the clear coat.
When i did the wheels i cleaned them with Bilberry first followed by Iron-X followed by Tardis followed by Claying followed by wash with shampoo then machine polished followed by IPA followed by Eraser before i applied any of the coatings. So i reckon they were clean enough :wink:
As you say, i also take everything i see on DW with a pinch of salt. But i don't take 50 ppl saying Coating X is better than Coating Y anymore as i've found a lot of people justify something is "so good" because they have been caught up in the hype and bought it only to find that it's actually not that much better if at all.
Two products alone in the past 5yrs have made me say "wow" and have lived up to the hype. But i don't go on about them as it is just my opinion
An example of hype,
Swissvax Crystal Rock - Applied by a professional detailer lasted approx 3months on my car - No where near the stated 6mths+ and in that time the car was only ever washed with a PH neutral shampoo and a lambswool mitt using the 2BM.
Nanolex Ultra - 18mths stated durability - i got 10mths before it wore off and that was with a correctly prepared screen. I am currently trying Gtechniq G1 and after 3mths it's so far so good although i think the hydrophobicity of Nanolex is better. GTechniq claim upto 2yrs/30k miles. Not seen a thread were anyone has got past 12mths on a daily driver (not saying there isn't one so no need to go hunting for it :P)
I think the cars that they get these claims from are weekend drivers or only brought out once every blue moon.
As i said everyone has there opinion about which is best (bit like the "which remap is best") as long as you read all the info and use it to make your own informed decision before you buy then i think most people will be happy with their choice :happy2:
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I found poorboys wheel sealant to be a bit poor tbh. Quite nice to apply but wheels still noticeably dirty after a PW rinse 1 week on. That is only with 1 coat though. I think I will look into a ceramic coating when my wheels are refurbed