MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Homer on August 02, 2013, 07:08:37 pm
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The new Focus ST is 265ps, S3 300ps and new type R going to be 300ps. The new GTI is 220... With an extra payment we can expect a whopping extra 10ps.. So why is it lagging behind and will its popularity decline as a result??
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No. :smiley:
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No. :smiley:
+2 :smiley:
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I'd say yes. Vw need to give it the same as cupra r
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Theres a crucial factor here...All wheel drive or a fandago diff.
Trying to put more than 200bhp through the front wheels is always tricky to pull off without some sort of major traction control system(GTI,Cupra..in fact,all hot hatches!),all wheel drive(S3,Type R?) or a fancy e-diff(Focus,Megane)
If VW are going to put a car into production with 300bhp,then it's going to be the range topper that has it...the R.
The GTI is the gentleman racer of the bunch and it's pretty much the essential all rounder.
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No not at all. Look at the mk5 and the other hot hatches of that generation most had more bhp focus st 222, Astra Vxr 240 ect the gti seems to have always been a tad behind the pack and there is plenty of mk5 gti's on the road. End of the day power isn't everything the mk2 focus st of the same gen as the mk5 gti may have more power but isn't really any faster nor handle as good.
All this bhp talk at the end of the day is just peak power figures, it's not the only thing to make a quick car :driver:
Gti isn't ment to be the mega performance car chasing bhp numbers.
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I'd say yes. Vw need to give it the same as cupra r
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Cupra R is the Top Spec Leon.... the GTI is not.
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what do each of those cars weigh??
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Theres a crucial factor here...All wheel drive or a fandago diff.
Trying to put more than 200bhp through the front wheels is always tricky to pull off without some sort of major traction control system(GTI,Cupra..in fact,all hot hatches!),all wheel drive(S3,Type R?) or a fancy e-diff(Focus,Megane)
If VW are going to put a car into production with 300bhp,then it's going to be the range topper that has it...the R.
The GTI is the gentleman racer of the bunch and it's pretty much the essential all rounder.
That one line says it all for me:-
The GTI is the gentleman racer of the bunch and it's pretty much the essential all rounder.
Including running costs!
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Don't think it's been left behind. Could do with maybe a bit more power out the box, but it's not Asif these don't map well. Bet the lack of power doesn't stop it outselling its rivals once more :happy2:
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I can see his point on the power figures but like a few have said its not all about the power I mean yeah it's great in the vxr but I had the choice of a vxr or the mk5 gti and you guessed it I chose the gti for the all round looks build quality and how she drives vxr don't even come close in my opinion
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You can't really compare the gti with the cars you have quoted , they are a step up from the gti , that's where the golf r competes.
The gti is competition for Leon FR , BMW 125i , guiletta , and in that group it's aimed at its ahead
By miles !
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all the reviews have said the mk 7 gti is darn good.
the gti doe snot need more power to outsell its rivals.. its rivals need the extra power to try and beat it as an all round package.
perhaps pikey motorsports can weigh in here with his views on ed30 v focus rs?
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The only problem with the Mk7 GTI is the price.
It's nearly £30k by the time you add the Sat Nav and Performance Pack
Now would I spend than money yes - But I'm an enthusiast.
The average joe would take one look at the 135m and that is a sale lost for VW.
The Mk5 GTI was around £20k, So £10k less.
Ultimately it's always going to be the best "all rounder" providing a respectable, understaded car, that focuses more on using 100% of the power it comes with in a usable manner, than the yobby ilk in the Astra's and STs who are struggling to put their power down.
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All very valid points, on the other hand to now say the GTIs comparators are not cars like the ST or new Type R does not seem right as these are the cars that have always been competing with the GTI.
In addition someone has mentioned the price which is an important factor when buying a hot hatch, many of us picked the GTI because it was affordable however if the new ones are now priced 30k plus then it smacks of greed and is disappointing from VW.
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Does any body remember the advert from the 80.s where a golf and astra are waiting at traffic lights and the astra accelerates of leaving the golf behind,The caption says our product might not be the fastest in the world but it will last the longest.
Says it all really :grin:
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I personally moved from an astra vxr to a mk5 gti (1 month ago). Both cars have their good points, but its hard to compare them as to me they are in two different classes.
To me the golf is an 'all rounder' where as the astra is designed to be sporty and aggressive.
Everytime I drove the astra it put a smile on my face, the sound, the performance ect. Now when I drive the golf there no excitement, but there is an overall feeling of enjoyment. It's a car that doesn't need to be pushed to be content.
Overall i think the golf is a better car, better build quality, more comfortable, but to be honest that's about it. It lacks the fun factor
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Fronzie have you had a remap done to the GTI?
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No, it's standard engine wise at the moment. Planning a map in the future though.
Once mapped it will be running about the same power as the astra, and I imagine it will be a much better car then.
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The new Focus ST is 265ps, S3 300ps and new type R going to be 300ps. The new GTI is 220... With an extra payment we can expect a whopping extra 10ps.. So why is it lagging behind and will its popularity decline as a result??
VW is not leaving it behind...but they do have one factor the others do not. What else within the others own line-up are their models competing with? Nothing, right?
If VW boosts the power output for the GTI...how will they ever sell the 'R'? I'd buy the GTI because it would be cheaper. They can't raise the price of a more powerful GTI and still compete with those other models as well.
Another reason may be(my conspiracy theory ;p), they know that many are getting remapped an upgraded...yes? That means many of the tuned cars will be rejected for warranty work when brought in to any VW shop. Huh, what if?...right? IDK ;p
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speaking of the Golf R why cant you see it when you go onto the VW site and look under new cars? Have they stopped making it?
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You can still order a convertible one. Would be a very rare car if you got one.
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What's going on with the site?
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You can still order a convertible one. Would be a very rare car if you got one.
I saw one in Rome at a dealer showroom behind a huge plate glass window... :drool:...wanted to jump out and have it sent home in the States. My wife wouldn't allow it though... :sad1: