MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => How to Guides / Troubleshooting => Topic started by: QD MBE on August 22, 2009, 02:50:45 pm
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The standard instructions are below.
http://www.bshspeedshop.com/instructions/fsi_catch_can.pdf (http://www.bshspeedshop.com/instructions/fsi_catch_can.pdf)
I used these instructions and due to not being happy with the location, and lack of looking correct due to the can touching the rear of the headlight, the charcoal cannister, one of the air con pipes and the screen wash pipeline, or a combination of any of these. See picture below.
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I decided to look at an alternative site.
The kit comes with the following:
A. Manifold plate (Rocker cover blanking plate).
B. Inlet Manifold Block Off Plug
C. 3 Set screws for Block Off Plug
D. One O-Ring for Block Off Plug
E. Catch Can
F. Rubber hose
G. Four clamps
H. two 90 degree fittings
I. One Allen Head Blockoff Plug
J. Catch Can Bracket
K. One dell clamp
L. One allen head screw with matching lock nut
1. First prepare the engine
Remove the intake using a T20 torx driver. Remove the 2 screws at the sides, and using some mole grips, squeeze the FB clamp on the intake hose and remove.
Remove the plug on the MAF - Top left, and undo the 2 clips on the MAF housing (stainless springs top left and just behind the top left corner)
Undo the 2 clips holding the pipeline on the left side of the cover.
Starting at the top right corner give the cover a sharp tug, and remove the cover.
Getting rid of the OEM parts
Remove the Accordion hose that runs bewteen the Intake manifold right corner to the PCV assembly and fit the blanking plug (BSH instructions step 1 and 2)
Then using a torx driver T25 remove the OEM PCV assy from the rocker cover. You should then be left with
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Note the Orange gasket, and me holding the breather hose out of the way.
Prepare the manifold plate (A).
Fit the two 90* unions, I used a dab of sealant as I screwed then in.
You will need a 17mm spanner to fit these unions. I did take a take, but it did not come out. After you have fitted them you will see they protrude the rear by a few mm. I trimmed this off with a razor blade. to leave them flush at the rear. DO NOT overtighten!
Leave the unions in the configuratuion below. in this pic you will also see the large union (silver fitted)
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Then you can offer the Manifold plate and fir as per pic above. The Screw in the Top right required a small flat to be filed on the washer, as the large silver union overlaps the hole by a mm or so.
Tighten the screws gradually, so as to fit the plate evenly. also the screws are threaded into plastic, so be careful with how tight you go.
You should then be as below.
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The catch tank fit.
I looked at the area in front of the battery, and had thought of using the threaded brass spigot just in front of the battery, but dismissed it due to the tank sitting too high. I also looked at the area behind the passenger headlight, but would have been too messy.
I decided to fit the bracket to the plastic spigot as shown in top mid picture below.
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Bracket and catch tank fitted in pic below.
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Routing the lines
I decided to route as below. Be careful about the hoses chafing on the fuel pump and various parts of the engine.
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Various pics
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(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fv211%2Fstokeballoon%2FDSCF1406.jpg&hash=683096cd0dcf2cc2d66b7e70225f9064fc2aac04)
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I do think that this fit is far better, looks far more OEM, and allows greater access to the can. I also think that you would be able to fit the greater capacity can in the same way. Be careful if you are thinking about fitting an intake similar to the ITG one Steve P has been trialling.
Hope that this helps you make an informed choice.
Dave R
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Something seems to be missing from your write up... :smiley:
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Lots missing!
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Lots missing!
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Better now! :happy2:
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Nice and different :happy2:
I know it's after the fact but did you consider and discount using the mirror mounting position on the right hand side?
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I did, I didn't like the way you have to take 2 screws out and sandwich the plate between the slam panel (radiator support) and the chassis. Looks a bit wrong. The can also sits too high IMHO.
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was thhinking it looked like a good position i might try, but i want the twin take and reckon that would get in the way.
i think it'll be the same for anyone with evoms, ITG, VF engineering, forge twintake etc
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I think you could also turn the bracket upside down and fit the Catch can lower still.
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Dave, this is excellent Quality!! - Exactly the info I needed to know.
I assume then that the BSH kit's included hoses are long enough. And conversely could be shortened for a slightly different off side (driver's side) location.
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Dave, this is excellent Quality!! - Exactly the info I needed to know.
I assume then that the BSH kit's included hoses are long enough. And conversely could be shortened for a slightly different off side (driver's side) location.
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The supplied hose is about 4 ft long, you just cut the 2 hoses to the required length from that.
I will still fit OEM style clamps (the heater hose type) when I can get to the stealers.
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Can you post the numbers of the clamps you use please Dave. :happy2:
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Will do Stu. Not found them as yet.
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Nice work QD :congrats: :happy2:
Two questions:
1. Do you think that location would be suitable with my 'Carbonio' style intake?
2. When can you do mine? :laugh:
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Will do Stu. Not found them as yet.
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I reckon the spring clips like the one going to the lower pipe on the expansion tank would be just right :happy2:
Part No. N 906 869 01 (23x12 Spring Type Clip)
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Nice work QD :congrats: :happy2:
Two questions:
1. Do you think that location would be suitable with my 'Carbonio' style intake?
2. When can you do mine? :laugh:
1. It looks as if it would clear a Carbonio ram-style intake but could fall foul of other lollipop types as QD suggested.
2. After me, you're first! :evilgrin:
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Will do Stu. Not found them as yet.
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I reckon the spring clips like the one going to the lower pipe on the expansion tank would be just right :happy2:
Part No. N 906 869 01 (23x12 Spring Type Clip)
Steve, Thank you. They sound just right.
Nath, I do think that it will clear the intake, I will help all I can with both you and RR.
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Nath, I do think that it will clear the intake, I will help all I can with both you and RR.
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....Psst! Nath!....See what a ride to The Ring does! He's now our Bitch. :evilgrin:
....That's very generous, Dave - You're a star! :drinking:
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sweet writeup , this should go in the product section :happy2:
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sweet writeup , this should go in the product section :happy2:
....Certainly add a link from your original first post, john_o :happy2:
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Very helpful :happy2: :happy2: :drinking:
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Very helpful :happy2: :happy2: :drinking:
loos nice and easy to fit mike, do you reckon they will let us use your fitter workshops to fit these
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Nice and different :happy2:
I know it's after the fact but did you consider and discount using the mirror mounting position on the right hand side?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi193.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz267%2Fukdub%2Fpvc.jpg&hash=a690473a3427c36e6a212cb47851d007a3f82c6e)
Good man there Bacillus, I was wondering how I was going to fit mine with having the Dbilas Intake. Is it an easy fit with it?
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Keith the hardest part of that particular install is probably routing the hoses...
Oh a make sure you get some blue loctite before your install. :smiley:
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Keith the hardest part of that particular install is probably routing the hoses...
Oh a make sure you get some blue loctite before your install. :smiley:
I was going to pay someone to fit it :ashamed:
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Very helpful :happy2: :happy2: :drinking:
loos nice and easy to fit mike, do you reckon they will let us use your fitter workshops to fit these
Hope so i used to work on my Gsi in there
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Keith the hardest part of that particular install is probably routing the hoses...
Oh a make sure you get some blue loctite before your install. :smiley:
I was going to pay someone to fit it :ashamed:
Noooooooooooo!
Keith do it yourself, it is very easy!!!
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Keith do it yourself, it is very easy!!!
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x2 seeing that the hardest part of the install i.e. removing oem air box cover is already done. :smiley:
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Does this tank help performance?
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Have a read of the thread below.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7040.msg108922#msg108922 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7040.msg108922#msg108922)
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Keith the hardest part of that particular install is probably routing the hoses...
Oh a make sure you get some blue loctite before your install. :smiley:
I was going to pay someone to fit it :ashamed:
Noooooooooooo!
Keith do it yourself, it is very easy!!!
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Ok why not, I will give it a go.
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How Much is this kit Dave?? Pm'd you aswell :happy2:
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^^^ Are you having a blonde moment Steve :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7037
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^^^ Are you having a blonde moment Steve :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7037
Sorry, i mis-read when dave said "Alternative", thought he ment a different kit then yours.
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Having visited Dubtek today and 'played' with the actual BSH Catchcan, I think there several places where it can be fitted. As well as where stokeballoon has installed on the near-side, it can also be fitted in the centre and on the off-side.
Here's a pic to show how it can be tucked well away from interfering with other components.
Wherever you decide to position it, it will have to be removed for emptying.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FCatchcan_test.jpg&hash=c54be91cfe6f6a419f591711cc5224f0fabb3252)
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Having visited Dubtek today and 'played' with the actual BSH Catchcan, I think there several places where it can be fitted. As well as where stokeballoon has installed on the near-side, it can also be fitted in the centre and on the off-side.
Here's a pic to show how it can be tucked well away from interfering with other components.
Wherever you decide to position it, it will have to be removed for emptying.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FCatchcan_test.jpg&hash=c54be91cfe6f6a419f591711cc5224f0fabb3252)
Is that the std size on e RR?
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Is that the std size on e RR?
Yes it is! :smiley:
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Robin,
I looked at that, but with the Air con pipework, the screen wash pipework and the headlight cover in close proximity, with mild vibration, you stand a very good chance of chafing damage to either or several components.
If you are getting short of room adjacent to the battery, then reverse the bracket and drop the can lower. It will be easily accessible for emptying and further maintenance. With the right OEM clips it will be virtually OEM style too.
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Robin,
I looked at that, but with the Air con pipework, the screen wash pipework and the headlight cover in close proximity, with mild vibration, you stand a very good chance of chafing damage to either or several components.
If you are getting short of room adjacent to the battery, then reverse the bracket and drop the can lower. It will be easily accessible for emptying and further maintenance. With the right OEM clips it will be virtually OEM style too.
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Is your car a MT as I believe there is less free room to play with if you have a DSG box.
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It is, I appreciate the space must be limited, but there are so many differing ways to fit in and around the battery, I almost fitted it on the bulkhead. There are some studs there.
I just think that the area around the drivers headlight is very busy, and a pain to get the can sitting right, and prone to vibration induced chafing.
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Good point, Dave - Perhaps I will be popping over to your place and enlisting your help afterall.
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can any one tell me the internal measure of the pipe work supplied with the can cause i want to get some red silicon hose to do mine ? cheers guys
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Hang on.................
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Hang on.................
Right the hose I have left says - 5/8" ID (internal Diameter) 300psi max working pressure. 5/8" is just a shade under 16mm.
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cheers mate , just been looking at silicon hose (turbo and coolant )kits prices !!!!!!!!!! might stick with oem , was just an idea :surprised:
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/16mm-5-8-ID-Silicone-Silicon-Coolant-Hose-1-Metre-Red_W0QQitemZ310088589354QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item4832b8602a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_1219wt_1165 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/16mm-5-8-ID-Silicone-Silicon-Coolant-Hose-1-Metre-Red_W0QQitemZ310088589354QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item4832b8602a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_1219wt_1165)
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cheers mate , just been looking at silicon hose (turbo and coolant )kits prices !!!!!!!!!! might stick with oem , was just an idea :surprised:
....Lee - Speak to Ben at Dubtek because they specialise in lines and hoses. He's tricky to find right now cos he's a new daddy, but leave him a message and he'll get back to you.
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I would be very hesitant on using a plain silicone hose that doesn't have a dedicated internal floroliner as the oil vapour will eventually permeate through it, leading to "oil sweating" on the outer surface of the hose.
This is what occured with the early Eurojet hoses of their pcv fix that lacked the liner.
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cheers mate , just been looking at silicon hose (turbo and coolant )kits prices !!!!!!!!!! might stick with oem , was just an idea :surprised:
....Lee - Speak to Ben at Dubtek because they specialise in lines and hoses. He's tricky to find right now cos he's a new daddy, but leave him a message and he'll get back to you.
Correct Robin, thanks - Just to complicate the GB even more for people, I can supply this kit with s/steel braided hose, silicone hose and also anodised hose end finishers (in red or silver) on request at extra cost.... :happy2:
Please dont go out and pay over the odds for these items if your considering changing the rubber hose supplied by BSH, we can sort a price out to beat most if not all on hose and accessories. :grin:
I'll post up pics of mine once its done, but I plan to use a different hose set up and mount in an alternative position.
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Obviously we'd recommend fluorolined silicone hose if used with oil :happy2:
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thats good to know Ben :happy2:
received my kit Saturday thanks :smiley:
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Not trying to be controversial here but Phil@BSH doesn't advise using s/steel braided hoses so close to the rubber fuel lines.
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Just to complicate the GB even more for people, I can supply this kit with s/steel braided hose, silicone hose and also anodised hose end finishers (in red or silver) on request at extra cost.... :happy2:
Please dont go out and pay over the odds for these items if your considering changing the rubber hose supplied by BSH, we can sort a price out to beat most if not all on hose and accessories. :grin:
I'll post up pics of mine once its done, but I plan to use a different hose set up and mount in an alternative position.
....Hi Ben, such alternatives sound quite exciting to me - Any excuse for a bit of eye-candy! I'm gonna wait to see your pics before installing mine when it comes.
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Depends if your fuel lines are still rubber though.... :P Did those before the relationship with BSH started. And to be fair it comes down to nothing more than cost...s/steel braided hose is a rubber hose with braid over it at the end of the day, it doesnt contaminate anything else around it! And chaffing isnt really an issue on the rubber hose from the braided if its routed correctly. We've already been in discussions with BSH to supply alternative hose and fittings in the future so watch this space :party:
Not trying to be controversial here but Phil@BSH doesn't advise using s/steel braided hoses so close to the rubber fuel lines.
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think i ll use the hose with the kit , thanks for all the info guys :happy2:
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Mine is now fitted with the OEM spring clips as listed earlier in this thread :happy2:
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Looks a great install - Whats the warranty point of view on this product???
Having been in the motor trade for 20 years plus, I know what main dealers are like for trying to dodge a claim (this is one of the reasons why I dropped out of the GB plus the fact of the frequency at which I change cars - but Im determined to keep this at least a year) :happy2:
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My dealership asked what it was today and after explaining they felt it was a good idea :happy2:
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It may be of some interest that BMW is now considering on supplying a catch can as standard on thier direct injection models because of this valve problem.
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Like the OE clips :happy2:, think I'll get some before I fit mine :smiley:
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you got a p/n for the spring clips Steve?
looks so much more OEM :congrats:
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^^^ they are listed earlier in the thread John :happy2:
they cost about £2 each :surprised:
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you got a p/n for the spring clips Steve?
looks so much more OEM :congrats:
....Part No. N 906 869 01 (23x12 Spring Type Clip)
^ According to Steve's earlier post.
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cheers my bad for jumping in 1/2 way through a thread ,
£2 :booty:
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£2 :booty:
....£2 EACH!? :surprised: - How many of those oem clips are needed?
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4 clips are needed.
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£2 :booty:
....£2 EACH!? :surprised: - How many of those oem clips are needed?
Well none actually but if you want the oem look you'll need four. :smiley:
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if your tight you could get away with 2 if you have oem engine cover :wink:
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£2 :booty:
....£2 EACH!? :surprised: - How many of those oem clips are needed?
Well none actually but if you want the oem look you'll need four. :smiley:
....Well, I wouldn't want anyone to feint from shock and horror when spotting that my clips in my engine bay weren't oem, would I! :evilgrin:
Methinks I'll wait and see what the supplied clips look like but one thing is clear: The Khazi Can needs removing from the engine bay to then be emptied and cleaned properly, and so spring clips might just be rather more helpful. So it's not just a cosmetic consideration.
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The supplied clamps are standard jubilee clamps.
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The supplied clamps are standard jubilee clamps.
....Then it's gotta be worth £8 to be able to spring clip off the Khazi Can each time you need.
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Steve,
can't see the pics, did the clips fit well, with correct tension to prevent leaks?
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Steve,
can't see the pics, did the clips fit well, with correct tension to prevent leaks?
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Yep them seam fine, I have done my normal commute to work (80miles) and there is no leaks :happy2:
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i picked up 2 clips today , thats all they had ! just need the kit now ! :wink:
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The supplied clamps are standard jubilee clamps.
....Then it's gotta be worth £8 to be able to spring clip off the Khazi Can each time you need.
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Does the can not unscrew from the head?
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^^^ Not sure what you mean Keith :confused:
To empty the can (when installed in the BSH standard location) you need to remove the two hoses connecting to it then it just pulls out of the bracket.
You can then open the tap on the bottom and drain it off to a suitable container :happy2:
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I though it was a 2 part peice from the pics on their site, top where the oil came in and the bottom where the oil went. :rolleye:
If you had a suitable location with enough clearance underneath could you leave it as is and just drain into a container underneath it?
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Yes you could.
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But as I understand it, it's best to remove it totally to clean it thoroughly so it doesn't clog up.
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Periodically I would suggest Robin. But not every time you want to drain the waste. I am not sure what BSH recommend regarding the purging and cleaning of the Gauze/filter.
Perhaps a wash out every service with some petrol? Depending on the material of the gauze? I certainly will not be cleaning mine out every time I drain it.
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I service (well, not me personally) my car every 10k miles so that seems a good regime for a thorough rogering cleaning out.
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Quoted from the instructions, "at least on an annual basis, it is a good idea to remove all the fittings and spray brake cleaner inside the can to clean it out. Shake it up to make sure to wash the walls well. Allow it to dry properly before re-installing"..
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i have my catch can now, but would be interested to see where people with evoms, ITG style intakes position their catch can, as ill be purchasing ITG/ forge item soon and dont want to fix it then need to move it at a later date
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^^^ There is nothing wrong with the recommend position on the left hand side of the engine bay in the golf, this is where I have mine as the ITG CAI takes up all the space on the other side, not sure about the differences with the Octy though :confused:
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^^^ There is nothing wrong with the recommend position on the left hand side of the engine bay in the golf
....I don't agree - For the reasons stated in my original post ^.
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Robin,
Thank you very much for the confirmation and adittional info, however I don't see the point of a separate post. 2 strands of information, as we now have just muddies the water.
Always happy for you to update the original post, that is the whole point of the forum Troubleshooting area.
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No problem - And thanks for the tip using the oem spring clips. :drinking:
The piping supplied is just long enough to reach the alternative position we chose : -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FMods%2FBSHCatchCan_EngineBay.jpg&hash=d13e7a2983af805253490ed653ce8cc79be3c277)
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Is there not a sight level indicator on these so you can see if its getting full ? saves pulling it out everytime.
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Is there not a sight level indicator on these so you can see if its getting full ? saves pulling it out everytime.
....Unfortunately not. That would be a nice touch and some other manufacturers do this. I think Forge's will have but they take forever to release their products. I got sucked into *tempted by a group buy - The cheapest deal isn't always the best.
EDIT: - * sucked into meaning tempted by - My choice entirely but am having second thoughts now I have the BSH product.
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....Unfortunately not. That would be a nice touch and some other manufacturers do this. I think Forge's will have but they take forever to release their products. I got sucked into a group buy - The cheapest deal isn't always the best.
of your own accord ! why say that?
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Robin,
Statements like that do not help anyone. You knew what you were buying and I believe you asked the question regards the Sight glass prior to purchase.
The kit is a good design, and contents/instructions are available on the website, perhaps the can was not sited in the best location, however this was fully covered in my original post.
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C'mon guys! Of course I went for the GB of my own accord - I'm saying that I may not have made the best decision (my fault and no-one else's).
Yes it is a very good product but I'm now wondering if it's the best I personally could have bought (regardless of a cost factor). I knew about there being no sight glass and now am thinking that this is a minus - If I wrote this in a review under the heading of "Minus Points" would you still be jumping down my throat?
I'm entitled to express my opinion and that's all it is.
EDIT: Perhaps I should have used the word "tempted by" rather than "sucked into" in my earlier post. I've now edited that post.
As you were, you lot! :P :grin:
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Exactly Joe :stupid:
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....Typical Joe! :laugh: :happy2:
Typical Steve as well :rolleye: - You and I just don't speak the same language much of the time :grin:
Typical Robin post too! :laugh:
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robin,
Not at all jumping down your throat, I just wanted this thread to be constructive. Good or bad points, but constructive. i value your input, and would like to have it in this thread.
Just to say 'sucked in, cheapest not always best' etc does not help. But as always your constructive views are most welcome.
(work comp will do Thumbs!)
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robin,
Not at all jumping down your throat, I just wanted this thread to be constructive. Good or bad points, but constructive. i value your input, and would like to have it in this thread.
Just to say 'sucked in, cheapest not always best' etc does not help. But as always your constructive views are most welcome.
(work comp will do Thumbs!)
.... :drinking: Sorry, I'm just expressing exactly what's in my mind - You know what I'm like!
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robin,
Not at all jumping down your throat, I just wanted this thread to be constructive. Good or bad points, but constructive. i value your input, and would like to have it in this thread.
Just to say 'sucked in, cheapest not always best' etc does not help. But as always your constructive views are most welcome.
(work comp will do Thumbs!)
.... :drinking: Sorry, I'm just expressing exactly what's in my mind - You know what I'm like!
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I think RR's input on products is ussually very helpful and constructive. Just have to take a look at one of his product reviews, structured and impartial. Easy to get carried away whe you have an opinion sometimes eh... Just my 2p :happy2:
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Robin, there is a fairly simple and lowish cost solution to your issues with having no sight glass, an issue which I too also dont like, but not everyone needs/wants this function or has the funds to pay the extra for it. Thats added to the fact that in the location when BSH intend the can to be housed, there is no room for a bigger can.
In the location in which both I as you know, and you have located our cans there is plenty of room for a bigger diameter can, with a sight glass....if you want to change the can for a nice sexy carbon looking can with a sight glass, I can offer this for not much more than the tow loops.... :happy2:
Rightly pointed out, I also believe a move away from the LHD mounting positions on all BSH engine products needs to happen if they are to maintain a good rep over here - some people will get fed up with their products not being bolt on, hassle free kits if the LHD issues are encountered too much over here. I am speaking to Phil@BSH to make this clear today.
I can see your points raised in this thread and the other but as people have pointed out, the information was there, along with detailed information and pictures on the BSH site prior to the purchase, but an 'upgrade' to a more comprehensive can wont set you back a great deal at all.
If I can be of any help or assistance in this department, do let me know.
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can for a nice sexy carbon looking can with a sight glass
OMG NO ! :evilgrin: I havent even received my kit yet and you've got us spending even more.........
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Robin, there is a fairly simple and lowish cost solution to your issues with having no sight glass, an issue which I too also dont like, but not everyone needs/wants this function or has the funds to pay the extra for it. Thats added to the fact that in the location when BSH intend the can to be housed, there is no room for a bigger can.
In the location in which both I as you know, and you have located our cans there is plenty of room for a bigger diameter can, with a sight glass....if you want to change the can for a nice sexy carbon looking can with a sight glass, I can offer this for not much more than the tow loops.... :happy2:
Rightly pointed out, I also believe a move away from the LHD mounting positions on all BSH engine products needs to happen if they are to maintain a good rep over here - some people will get fed up with their products not being bolt on, hassle free kits if the LHD issues are encountered too much over here. I am speaking to Phil@BSH to make this clear today.
I can see your points raised in this thread and the other but as people have pointed out, the information was there, along with detailed information and pictures on the BSH site prior to the purchase, but an 'upgrade' to a more comprehensive can wont set you back a great deal at all.
If I can be of any help or assistance in this department, do let me know.
....Excellent! I'm so glad you can see that my posted criticisms were essentially constructive feedback (designers, even retired, are hardwired into analysis and constantly asking how a creation can be improved). I'm very glad to hear that Phil@BSH will hear our collective thoughts - Manufacturers and designers are invariably helped and pleased to receive honest feedback, both negative and positive, and can filter it as they wish.
Just to clarify: I was never dissatisfied with the product overall and knew mostly what I was buying, though the proof of any pudding is in the eating. I'd be offering it for sale if I was so unhappy with it. I have no regrets about buying it and am grateful for the group buy.
I'm very interested indeed in the sight glass can you mention (I love anything "sexy looking") - What o/a diameter is it please? I just need to check that it won't severely inhibit a future high flow tubular intake if I keep the current location.
Nice one, Ben! :drinking:
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