MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Phil Mcavity on August 26, 2009, 08:58:53 am
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Now, does it go in the cubboard for 4 weeks or do i go and load it???
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and a little note from the seller telling me what i should do :congrats:
cheers Andy :happy2:
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Do you really need to ask Steve, c'mon I thought you were a clever lad :evilgrin:
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:evilgrin:
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I hope your not sat in front of your computer still, get out there! :evilgrin:
Be very interested to hear your thoughts Steve! :happy2:
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They delayed the shuttle launch..... but I'm sure you'll soon know what it would have been like at T-00 :D
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get out there and load it on :driver:
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DAFT QUESTION, load it on!! :happy2:
now im waiting for you to come back and complain its to fast and aggressive :popcornsoda: :wink:
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now im waiting for you to come back and complain its to fast and aggressive :popcornsoda: :wink:
:signLOL: :drinking:
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Is that all you need to remap the car? I would like to have my .:R mapped but there is no one around me that can do it :(
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Is that all you need to remap the car? I would like to have my .:R mapped but there is no one around me that can do it :(
drive it back to the UK then!!! :P
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He's busy out playing with it now. :)
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He's busy out playing with it now. :)
and what about the bleufin :innocent:
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Anyone else looking for a cheap one -
http://briskoda.net/items-sale/bluefin-vag-cars/155315/
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If this has been reset by the seller what does the new buyer need to do to get it working? Is it just a matter of loading it onto your computer?
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Glad you've got it - be interested to hear your views on it - could well be in the cards for me soon :wink:
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If this has been reset by the seller what does the new buyer need to do to get it working? Is it just a matter of loading it onto your computer?
I think that one has been reset by Superchips so as far as I know it's ready to rock. I know the ad says Skoda but I don't think that's a limitation.
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You have gotta get it straight on there Steve, dont be messing about! :wink:
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ok bear with me, just been to town with wife n kids, done my chores, and now its off to program it, and go play, I will update as soon as i
break down somewhere have done so :happy2:
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LOAD - DRIVE!!
Hope you enjoy it steve :happy2:
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Looking forward to hear what difference it has made to the real world drive. That one on Briskoda is seriously tempting. I would have snapped it up has i not just bought the RNS510.
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Steve, stop arsing about and get that goddam Bluefin on your car :signLOL:
Waiting eagerly for Steve's excited posting :popcornsoda:
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program it, and go play,
Wrong software for that catchphrase lofty!!
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Its only £435...what am I waiting for!!! are there any discounts anywhere?
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Its only £435...what am I waiting for!!! are there any discounts anywhere?
JKM or buy the used one I linked to above.
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Has the momentous event happened yet?
:popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
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Warp factor 6 ya mean? :laugh:
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Has the momentous event happened yet?
:popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
he's downloading as a type (the maps that is)
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:popcornsoda:
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i fear he may have missed Meridian's lunch time news but might make the evening edition
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Re the briskoda one, I didnt realise the same map did so many cars... always thought you got the specifc map for your car type..
oooo I am sooo tempted.....
plug and play eh?
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bleufin unit reads your stock map, you connect to superchips and upload, they assign you the right map to download, the device is generic :happy2:
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ok im back :wink:
Car has finally got the Bluefin installed, just had a 10 minute blast, and apart from being abit sluggish after gearchanges, she does go very well :smiley:
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Hmmm, I expected a lot more excitement in your 'findings post' :wink:
I'd love to get mine mapped, but think I'll get used to it as standard for a while - then worry about sorting our insurance changes etc
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Im gonna go out for another Blast because my traction control light has not been going off like a xmas tree light like i was expecting. After quick convo with hedge, apparently im not trying hard enough, so off to try and "Make it so" :smiley:
Power really does kick in from around 2500rpm and the front tyres you can feel are really holding on for grim death, although im running Dunlop Tirenoise Max's at the moment, they seem to be doing ok.
The gearchange pause did seem to start to improve the longer i was out.
Off now for another test :drinking:
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you need to let the map settle so go for a drive for an hour, :happy2:
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Are you running Stage 1 or 2?
I would guess you've been given stage 1 but need stage 2 as you have the exhaust etc.
Either that or you are driving like a granny.... the difference should be night and day!
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No Cat Lee just cat back so Phil but is on stage 1 at the mo.
To be fair it should be enough for him. :P
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He needs to give it a solid shakedown at the Nurburgring :wink:
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He needs to give it a solid shakedown at the Nurburgring :wink:
....Stop tempting him, John!
As others have said, Phil - You'll probably need to let the remap settle in with the ECU. But I don't have any direct experience of the Bluefin.
I don't know how much not having a Milltek Turbo-back would restrict the Bluefin's performance. Superchips would be able to tell you.
The Ed30's are silly fast with a remap! Nice 1 :happy2:
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The Ed30's are silly fast with a remap! Nice 1 :happy2:
See a statement like that makes my credit card start to leave my moth infested wallet :laugh:
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I thought there would be a bigger difference tbh too, as said go for a longer drive :party:
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steve physlis and you have now gone through the cosy dating stage and you've got to now start treating here like a whore :happy2:
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It now produces similar to below. :wink:
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^^^ :congrats:
ok been for a spirited blast and there is deffinatly more power and feels like ive gained another 30 or so horses...... but im abit disapointed as to why when pushing on, when changing gear or when you ask it to go faster, it seems to very hesitant or excellarating smoothly. On the standard map, the power is ameadiatly on and a flowing smooth feeling, yet with the bluefin, it feels like im letting off the power as you begin the start of the next gear.... hard to explain . Have heard the exhaust noise at around 3500rpm in top gear and have experianced the "Boom" from the Non Res Milly that some people have spoken about, so maybe Res section would be better, but im not that fused about that tbh.
Not sure what to think really , driving normally up the gears she is totally fine and alot more responcive, but only when really giving the pedal a push at any speed, it feels like im easing off the gas and then putting it back on in a second.
Anyone else had this? interested to hear from Quality Dave, as he's tried it and wasn't 100% impressed?.Whether this was his complaint or Garethmk1.
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Steve,
I wasn't impressed by the drive TBH. Perhaps I didn't leave it for long enough to 'adapt'.
I felt that it was all or nothing, below 3500rpm it was as if you were waiting for something to happen (turbo lag?) and then post 3500rpm it took off like a scalded cat. Bear in mind I have a manual Ed.
It seemed to ruin what the GTi is about for me. I will take another dip into the remap pool, but not just yet, i am enjoying my car as is.
Perhaps leave it as is for adaptation, or get in touch with SC and explain your thoughts, their cust service is good.
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Only you could put on a remap and complain it's not fast enough and worry that your non res miltek is too loud haha
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My impressions are that even on a non-mapped edition 30 there is quite noticeable lag below 2.5k rpm followed by a rapid increase in torque that gradually tails off as you go further into the rev range. All the Bluefin did on mine was amplify the standard experience and enhance it.
Maybe Phylys is sulking. :signLOL:
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did you get the high power map? didnt blu fin have problems with lower power or something? :confused:
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did you get the high power map? didnt blu fin have problems with lower power or something? :confused:
Originally stage 1 was a torque limited map but post Crimbo '08 the DSG and manual maps were the same.
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Perhaps it needs a couple of local gentlemen i know that drive and Audi S3 and steel grey Ed30 to see why they think. Its had 1 hour on running, perhaps give it more time.
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why did you go blufin anyways?? i thought you were going to gop REVO when you got it done!? if i were to go down this route again, id be REVO :smiley:
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Phil, I've just been speaking to someone at Milltek (about other subjects) and mentioned your findings because I wondered if it was anything to do with difference in flow between Turbo-back and Cat-back. He said it was probably down to the map and he had heard of such findings before with a Stage 1 map.
I'm sure that Superchips will be able to help you but it might still be best to see how she runs over the next few day's mileage.
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Im surprised you are not more pleased. When re-mapping all of the cars Ive owned the difference has been like night and day, no more so than on the edition 30, where it feels like it is literally pulling the front tyres off, and even more so now, I have stage 2 , an intake and TBE Milltek.
I'd give superchips a ring or speak to Simon @ E-maps and get a proper map put on there.......
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why did you go blufin anyways?? i thought you were going to gop REVO when you got it done!? if i were to go down this route again, id be REVO :smiley:
He got his bluefin hand held device second hand for a bargain.
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Now if he had got that catch can on the GB, all would have been well... :wink:
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Steve
ECU Adaptation happens over a number of drive cycles so after several trips/journeys it should improve.
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One of the things I always found with the later version of the SC map (after the worked around torque limit for DSG cars and standardized the mapping with the manual cars), is there is this feeling of almost a flat spot, most noticed in 3rd gear on a long pull.
It sounds like this is the same as Steve is getting with the "it feels like im easing off the gas and then putting it back on in a second."
It would also be worthwhile getting of the friendly locals with VAG COM to log it to see how the timing pull etc is :happy2:
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Now if he had got that catch can on the GB, all would have been well... :wink:
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Im surprised you are not more pleased. When re-mapping all of the cars Ive owned the difference has been like night and day, no more so than on the edition 30, where it feels like it is literally pulling the front tyres off, and even more so now, I have stage 2 , an intake and TBE Milltek.
The power is superb when it comes on, just doesnt feel even when it lays the power down. Goes really well, but it feels like my DSG speedie gearchange advantage has gone over the stick shifter brigade :laugh:
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DSG remap :happy2:
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One of the things I always found with the later version of the SC map (after the worked around torque limit for DSG cars and standardized the mapping with the manual cars), is there is this feeling of almost a flat spot, most noticed in 3rd gear on a long pull.
It sounds like this is the same as Steve is getting with the "it feels like im easing off the gas and then putting it back on in a second."
It would also be worthwhile getting of the friendly locals with VAG COM to log it to see how the timing pull etc is :happy2:
Sounds spot on, more noticeable on third gear. Just done another "unnessary" trip to tesco just cus :grin:.
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DSG remap :happy2:
You keep quiet :signLOL:
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DSG remap :happy2:
You keep quiet :signLOL:
superchips dont support the dsg remap, yeah it worked with the quicker shifts and the kickdown etc, but it wont rev up beyond 6200 rpm, as they won't or probably don't know how to remove the soft limiter
having used their software and now revo I have never looked back, and steve I remember the comments you used to say about Superchips, the laughter from you after the Gti forum day at JKM almost a year ago when mine and the other chap put down sh*t figures, I was bemused when I heard your decision.
ETTO though
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DSG remap :happy2:
You keep quiet :signLOL:
I was bemused when I heard your decision.
ETTO though
Would you say no for £185 james instead of £400? or £500+ for revo?.
Revo would be my first choice but for some extra shove, it goes well.
I now have the money for the dowpipe and spts Cat due to the saving.
Was worth a punt, and have been in quite a few mapped Ed30's since to feel the different characteristics between each.
Your car was the 1st one i went in.
Your figures werent sh*t, just accurate ones mate :wink:
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I'd give superchips a ring or speak to Simon @ E-maps and get a proper map put on there.......
simon@e-maps.
Who is this guy then, and what can he do. Im no longer happy with my bluefin and want something more. does he also do maps for a non ed 30
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Would you say no for £185 james instead of £400? or £500+ for revo?
....Yes, I would say no! But you know what I'm like :wink:
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having spent over £1400 on remaps in a year, on Superchips, GIAC dsg map and now Revo Stage 2+ I would have to decline too.
I do however have a bluefin handset for sale for £185 if anyone wants it drop us line
ta
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Would you say no for £185 james instead of £400? or £500+ for revo?
....Yes, I would say no! But you know what I'm like :wink:
Indeed i would Oh Mod detailing father :notworthy:
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I'd give superchips a ring or speak to Simon @ E-maps and get a proper map put on there.......
simon@e-maps.
Who is this guy then, and what can he do. Im no longer happy with my bluefin and want something more. does he also do maps for a non ed 30
He is one of the 'old school' remappers about, and works very closely with someone in Germany, who works very closely with Oettinger, he takes your map off and custome re-maps to suit. Mention me when you speak to him.
Oli
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Although mine is a ST2 I never remember having an issue whilst at ST1 as you describe Steve, must be your automatic g/box :rolleye:.
The map I have now is less aggresive in 1st and 2nd (as requested) but third gear onwards is ballistic! :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
Oh and my RR figure's have never been shabby on any rollers! :evilgrin:
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Although mine is a ST2 I never remember having an issue whilst at ST1 as you describe Steve, must be your automatic g/box :rolleye:.
The map I have now is less aggresive in 1st and 2nd (as requested) but third gear onwards is ballistic! :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
Oh and my RR figure's have never been shabby on any rollers! :evilgrin:
cheers Nathan, im off to Mr Fullers tonight for some data logging exercises :happy2:
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Although mine is a ST2 I never remember having an issue whilst at ST1 as you describe Steve, must be your automatic g/box :rolleye:.
The map I have now is less aggresive in 1st and 2nd (as requested) but third gear onwards is ballistic! :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
Oh and my RR figure's have never been shabby on any rollers! :evilgrin:
cheers Nathan, im off to Mr Fullers tonight for some data logging exercises :happy2:
If all else fails fella just talk to SC, they are spot on and will try and accomadate your wishes. :happy2:
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having spent over £1400 on remaps in a year, on Superchips, GIAC dsg map and now Revo Stage 2+ I would have to decline too.
That just made me think......I've had APR, Custom Code, Revo and Giac(DSG) on mine since I bought it....and am about to go from Revo stage 2+ to GIAC RSR custom map :scared: roughly £2.5k plus :evilgrin:....worth every penny though :stupid:
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PS...sorry for the threadjack Steve :ashamed:
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having spent over £1400 on remaps in a year, on Superchips, GIAC dsg map and now Revo Stage 2+ I would have to decline too.
That just made me think......I've had APR, Custom Code, Revo and Giac(DSG) on mine since I bought it....and am about to go from Revo stage 2+ to GIAC RSR custom map :scared: roughly £2.5k plus :evilgrin:....worth every penny though :stupid:
Summed up perfectly by your good self John..........................
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i ve posted this loads of times now but imo if you want a simple stage 1 map you cant beat custom code it cost me about £300 for the ed 30 it turns a great car into a fantastic one , non of the 4 cars i ve hade CC ed have never missed a beat or been any problem my mk 1 octavia vrs left a mates revo vrs easily and imo on the ed30 (leighs words also from jbs )its awesome , goes like f*@% just dont stop pulling , dan payne has CC stage 2 + interested to get his opinion :happy2:
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Ok, been out with Stu (vRStu) tonight and done some data logging.
The car is starting to run better and better the more its being used, and at present is going like a Missile!!. Dsg shifts are improving.
Hope this works, details from Stu's Lappy tonight
Files coming up....
Big thanxs to stu :happy2:
Car is getting better and Better and improving as time goes on. Seems to be quite an aggressive map with the requested readings set high.
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Glad it's greatly improving, Phil, but all that gobblygook number stuff is doing my head in!! :stupid:
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you'd be better to post up the files steve.
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Glad it's greatly improving, Phil, but all that gobblygook number stuff is doing my head in!! :stupid:
As long as it goes well, and isnt doing any damage whilst driving it, was all i wanted to get out of this tonight, the flat spot issue is getting better and she is now quite a different car!.
Look foward to putting her on the rollers on the 3rd of october at JKM to see the difference. Remind me NOT to chuck in the Redex prior! :signLOL:
need a catch can really
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upload them to some webspace somewhere.
I wonder if it might be worth you switching to V-Power. Looking at your log vs Ians Stage 1 and he doesn't have any timing pull at all.
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Steve's files
Linky 1 (http://files.me.com/stuart.fuller/vxg8ku)
Linky 2 (http://files.me.com/stuart.fuller/kt0c94)
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:congrats:
Thanx Mate
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I think with more adapation time those CFs may come down a little.
What I've noticed from the limited logs done is that the actual requested booost never meets the specified value.
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I mentioned that to Steve, the requested seemed to be consistently above actual but the N75 seemed ok.
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Glad it's greatly improving, Phil, but all that gobblygook number stuff is doing my head in!! :stupid:
As long as it goes well, and isnt doing any damage whilst driving it, was all i wanted to get out of this tonight, the flat spot issue is getting better and she is now quite a different car!.
Look foward to putting her on the rollers on the 3rd of october at JKM to see the difference. Remind me NOT to chuck in the Redex prior! :signLOL:
need a catch can really
What's going on at JKM on the 3rd October?? Is there a RR day organised?? I am only up the road
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Yes so far 30 cars running!! All kinds of GTi's. Just myself and Cocopops are going thus far. List is near full!
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Where s the list to sign up??
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http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=121304.0
I think you need to regesture as a member quick as, 29 places, or go down on the reserve list incase of any no shows.
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I'd prefer an all tfsi day. Why don't we get something organised with Charlie at Surrey Rolling Road - a very good independant( maybe I'll start a seperate thread on this??
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Too late. :P
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You sly old fox Hedge!! :happy2:
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I have superchips stage one (and im dsg too) and i am surprised by your reaction and the problems you've mentioned, i loaded my map on drove about a mile to the motor way and cained it and couldnt believe the difference immediately it was completely different and havent had any problems with the 'lag'... At least its staring to get better though the more your driving it :jumpmove:
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You sly old fox Hedge!! :happy2:
You snooze you loose. :wink: :booty:
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Steve - I did not like their first map I am know running a custom bluefin map - I'll go out to the car get my serial number and maybe you could ask superchips to emulate this map to yours (albeit mine is a manual yours is DSG).
I felt that in first and second that their "off the shelf" intial map gave very poor performance. The one I have now has 20Nm less torque at top but has a greater spread below.
Hang in there Steve - I didn't know what to think either intially - BUT now I wouldn't swap it for the world.
PM your tel number and I'll give you a ring,
.... hang on for that serial number ...
Regards,
Gareth
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Steve - I did not like their first map I am know running a custom bluefin map - I'll go out to the car get my serial number and maybe you could ask superchips to emulate this map to yours (albeit mine is a manual yours is DSG).
I felt that in first and second that their "off the shelf" intial map gave very poor performance. The one I have now has 20Nm less torque at top but has a greater spread below.
Hang in there Steve - I didn't know what to think either intially - BUT now I wouldn't swap it for the world.
PM your tel number and I'll give you a ring,
.... hang on for that serial number ...
Regards,
Gareth
How did you go about getting a custome bluefin map from SC? And how much did it cost?
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Dropped into a place near me that advertises sc. They want £435 and you don't get the bluefin module!!! At least they didn't say so if they do include it :stupid:
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^^^ They will be offering the normal direct upload to ECU type mapping.
Go direct to Superchips and with the forum discount you will get the Bluefin handset and the map for £391. :happy2:
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Dropped into a place near me that advertises sc. They want £435 and you don't get the bluefin module!!! At least they didn't say so if they do include it :stupid:
i have one for the sale if you are interested, £185, will just have speak to Superchips to get them to deactivate it and will happily send to you.
pm if ineterested,
ta
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Should've said... I already have bluefin stage 2 and I'm getting the HPFP internal fitted tomorrow and I was going to go for the stage 3 bluefin, but if they can offer custom maps I thought maybe that would be worth a look.
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I have superchips stage one (and im dsg too) and i am surprised by your reaction and the problems you've mentioned, i loaded my map on drove about a mile to the motor way and cained it and couldnt believe the difference immediately it was completely different and havent had any problems with the 'lag'... At least its staring to get better though the more your driving it :jumpmove:
Is yours a Std GTi or ed30??
Ed30 has a bigger turbo and more noticeable lag then the smaller turbo on the std GTi.
Perhaps thats why you feel yours was different?. :smiley:
Car is getting better and better with more drive cycles now, so am enjoying the extra pace when needed. :wink:
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Steve - I did not like their first map I am know running a custom bluefin map - I'll go out to the car get my serial number and maybe you could ask superchips to emulate this map to yours (albeit mine is a manual yours is DSG).
I felt that in first and second that their "off the shelf" intial map gave very poor performance. The one I have now has 20Nm less torque at top but has a greater spread below.
Hang in there Steve - I didn't know what to think either intially - BUT now I wouldn't swap it for the world.
PM your tel number and I'll give you a ring,
.... hang on for that serial number ...
Regards,
Gareth
Pm'd gareth :drinking:
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I have an ed30 so same as you :happy2:
I have also got the stage 2 map which i run with just a panel filter, it changed the way the car felt but i got a bit paranoid about doing any damage so have put stage 1 back on untill i get my TBE.
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FWIW each time I have changed the Superchips map on my Edition 30 via the Bluefin device it has usually taken say 50 miles or an hour or two of driving before it starts to give it's best.
It is odd, and I am sure down to the car/weather/fuel/driving conditions, etc .... but every now and then when switching between maps it seems to take to the map almost immediately and just then fine tune before settling .... whereas most of the time it learns and just gets better and better over the next couple of weeks :evilgrin:
Mine BF remap has been on almost a year now and no issues at all .... the car seems better too as I've doubled the mileage (to a massive 12K) which can't do the performance any harm !