MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Veee-dubber on August 29, 2013, 09:51:39 pm
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Evening all.
I'm probably gonna get strung up for this I know but basically I need 4 new tyres & I can't afford them... :scared:
My friend has Sunny branded tyres on his Type R, these retail in my sizes at £42.50 delivered.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225-40-18-sunny-branded-tyres-42-00-/130977092498?pt=UK_Cars_Tyres_RL&hash=item1e7ed7d392#ht_439wt_1399
I've never been one for using cheap tyres but funds are tight and my friends car is hardly a death trap, the speed ratings are good and the load also, so I'm thinking to myself why the hell not?
Do I need to get this thought out my head and give my mate a slap round the face whilst i'm at it, or should I just buy the dammn things?
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part worns over ditch finders
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Why are they ditch finders tho? the ratings and load are the same...? surely they would have worse ratings if they were ditch finders? me no understand! lol
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the sunny tyres are crap in the wet and the stopping distance is a lot longer
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I'm sorry but I wouldn't buy either.....
IMO you don't buy a car you can't afford to run....
Not getting at you here just saying you should have some cash put aside for things like this.....
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It's the only point of contact between you and the road borrow money or rob ur granny but ffs don't do it!!!!!.
When I first past my test I didn't know better and used to be in all kinds of **** with budget tyres lol :star:
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If you can't afford good year/Michelin/conti's etc then go mid range like vreds or something rather than go budget ditch finders
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If you can't afford good year/Michelin/conti's etc then go mid range like vreds or something rather than go budget ditch finders
+1
Problems with cheap tyres (in my own experience on older / cheaper cars, plus the rubbish fitted to my GTI when I bought it):
Noisy
Poor braking grip (esp in wet)
Poor lateral grip
Poor traction
Badly made, requiring lots of wheel weights
Harsh ride
A GTI is a very frustrating car to own on a budget - too thirsty, for a start. Seriously, I'd rather have a budget car on good tyres than the other way round. I love my GTI, but in your shoes, I'd sell it and come back to the party when funds allow.
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the question you have you ask yourself is why do you think they are so cheap? continental can barely sell a tyre for 3x the price! do you really want to skimp on the only thing that keeps you on the road?
spend a bit more and get some part worns, or at a push some mid range tyres (tho my experience with those has taught me that even those should generally be avoided).
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If your just commuting and not driving fast budgets are fine they have to pass certain tests which they obviously have.
people saying sell your car just cause you cant afford £500 on tyres.
alot of people on this forum earn mega bucks but we cant all earn the same!
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To be honest mate f*ck what people say on this forum :P I have owned loads of tyres I am currently running Federal 595EVO's they cost me around £60 a corner before this I was running yokohama parada spec 2's at £85 per corner Imo there the same apart from the federal's last longer. I have also had toyo proxies all of these tyres seem around the same. I wouldn't get budget buy midrange but I also would not buy tyres over £100 each like most people on here :stupid:
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And to all the people saying buy part worns that is the worst advice ever :stupid:
yeah lets buy tyres that have potentially come from a crashed car.
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And to all the people saying buy part worns that is the worst advice ever :stupid:
yeah lets buy tyres that have potentially come from a crashed car.
Not just crashed cars the main problem with part worns is that most cars wear the tyres differently most of them will be out of shape & be really noisey
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I can and do maintain my car very well. I'm a psychiatric nurse and earn very good money. Its just one of them months where everything is happening at once - we all get them.
The point I was raising is, funds are currently tight, my friend seems to have no ill effects on his type r with cheap tyres, so it got me thinking... do I actually need to spend more?
My thinking was the ratings means they have passed inspection so surely this deems them safe...
Cheers for the input, keep it coming :)
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Have you priced up falkens?
Don't get bad ratings for budgets!
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Yes you can put budgets on... but why put budgets on a hot hatch. 100quid a corner isnt that much money really.
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If your just commuting and not driving fast budgets are fine
If I bought a car just for commuting, I would not buy a GTI.
Long and short is that tyres are important. If you have to do an emergency stop, the best brakes in the world aren't gonna stop the car in time if you have no traction. I would rather spend less money elsewhere and spend more on tyres for grip.
Might get shot down for this but a couple of mates have used nankangs on their BMWs. Not awesome but reasonable.
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When you consider how many miles a set of tyres gets you compared with the price of fuel to propel you there; even premium brands are cheap.
Its in the wet when you really notice the difference between budget and premium tyres (racing patterns aside). Then again how many people use summer tyres in the depths of winter with freezing rain/Snow/ice/slush Etc... That's worse than using budgets in the summer as far as safety is concerned.
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And to all the people saying buy part worns that is the worst advice ever :stupid:
yeah lets buy tyres that have potentially come from a crashed car.
............total bollocks. Most part worn come from Germany where the tyre laws are more strict,i.e tread depth. Have a good look over any part worn & check for any damage/repairs etc before you buy it & there wont be a problem.
As above i would use a quality branded part worn over any ditch finder.
And just to add to all of us who got our GTI's second hand are we all not driving on part worn tyres which we have no history for?????.
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I've got Falken 452's on mine and they're great. Got a very good reputation on the BMW forums. About £100 a corner as well :happy2:
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I've got Falken 452's on mine and they're great. Got a very good reputation on the BMW forums. About £100 a corner as well :happy2:
they are AWFUL in VAG fitment 225/40R18. i had them on my car for about a year and thought they were great. then i switched to proper tyres (Conti SportContact 3s) and the difference is like night and day. The Contis grip as well in the wet as the 452s do in the dry. avoid like the plague! (they are very hard wearing though - they still had nearly 7mm of tread after about 20k miles of motoring when i sold them on.)
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Never understand why someone would scrimp on tyres, especially a performance one :stupid:.
They are the only point of contact between you and the road. My mate had a set of wanli's or similar on his a3 and they were shocking. Under steering like crazy in the wet even a low speeds :scared:
Even premium tyres @ 225/40/18 are quite cheap considering. Goodyear F1's are around £94 a tyre and are very good.
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talking about 452's for around £100 a corner...
you can get eagle F1 assy 2's for £99 a corner on Camskill at the moment! One of the best tyres you can get :happy2:
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452s dont grip well to be honest.
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Had 452's on my old golf, very overated imo! Much better off with the goodyears or even the hankook evo.
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Agree with many posts above.
When i bought my Eddie through a VW dealer they had fitted budget BCT ditchfinders, they were:
- noisy
- harsh ride
- front end would wash out in a corner
- under heavy braking the fronts would just lock up and slide
As soon as i changed them to Goodyear eagle F1 asy 2's, i instantly thought 'thats better, just as the car should have felt', they were quieter, gripped far better and didnt lock up when braking.
For me the biggest difference would be similar in comparision to summer vs winter tyres. Its not only about traction but braking.
With winter tyres you have far more confidence, under braking, even just approaching a junction at 15-20mph, summer tyres would lock and skid, winter tyres you come to a controlled stop. Using cheap budget tyres under heavy braking felt the same.
:popcornsoda:
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the sunny tyres are crap in the wet and the stopping distance is a lot longer
My Rocco came with a "Sunny" on the front :sick:
It really is a terrible tyre; Dry grip is average, wet grip is down right dangerous and it doesnt hold air very well compared to my other tyres.
No rim protection either.
Best avoided IMHO
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I fit tyres for a living and i got sent a video clip of a 2 identical bmw on a start line..one fitted with sunny tyres and the other fitted with conti tyres..in dry conditions stopping at the same time the bmw fitted with sunny tyres stopped 30 yards futher forward than the one with contis on..In the wet well dont ask :signLOL:You get what you pay for but budge tyres are better than illegal ones
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I fit tyres for a living and i got sent a video clip of a 2 identical bmw on a start line..one fitted with sunny tyres and the other fitted with conti tyres..in dry conditions stopping at the same time the bmw fitted with sunny tyres stopped 30 yards futher forward than the one with contis on..In the wet well dont ask :signLOL:You get what you pay for but budge tyres are better than illegal ones
........they did this on one of those rip off tv programs a while back. Bloke from Conti showing just how crap a rip off copy was compared to the orginal. Very scarey the rip off ones carried on much further & smashed straight into the back of a mock up H.G.V they had placed on the test track.
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It would seem my question has been answered...
I posted this thread to ask an opinion and seek advice, the majority of you have been kind and given me that advice that I asked for and I will utilise that advice and steer well clear of these tyres which sound tragic! - and as stated give my mate a slap round the face for owning them!
To the rest of you that accuse me of not being a worthy owner.... F*ck you :P I was simply asking what made them so bad, as I don't, or well didn't understand the differences between a £100 tyre and a £50 tyre as I assumed they all passed vigorous testing thus rendering them safe for use...
So again, thanks to the majority of you, helpful as usual. :happy2:
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452s dont grip well to be honest.
Never had a problem with them. Had them on two previous BM's and never came close to losing it and that's with rear wheel drive 3 litres!
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I've got Falken 452's on mine and they're great. Got a very good reputation on the BMW forums. About £100 a corner as well :happy2:
they are AWFUL in VAG fitment 225/40R18. i had them on my car for about a year and thought they were great. then i switched to proper tyres (Conti SportContact 3s) and the difference is like night and day. The Contis grip as well in the wet as the 452s do in the dry. avoid like the plague! (they are very hard wearing though - they still had nearly 7mm of tread after about 20k miles of motoring when i sold them on.)
Never had conti's but I doubt very much they grip as well in the wet as 452's in the dry
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I've just fitted falken ZE914 ecorun in 225 / 45 / 17 and I've run all sorts conti sports uniroyle rain sport ..goodyear efficient grip etc ..and I have to say I'm impressed with these ...feel good ..low noise ..grip good in wet or dry ..a good all round mid range tyre
sent using my own fingers
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I've got Falken 452's on mine and they're great. Got a very good reputation on the BMW forums. About £100 a corner as well :happy2:
they are AWFUL in VAG fitment 225/40R18. i had them on my car for about a year and thought they were great. then i switched to proper tyres (Conti SportContact 3s) and the difference is like night and day. The Contis grip as well in the wet as the 452s do in the dry. avoid like the plague! (they are very hard wearing though - they still had nearly 7mm of tread after about 20k miles of motoring when i sold them on.)
Never had conti's but I doubt very much they grip as well in the wet as 452's in the dry
By all means try it. I have been driving for nearly 10 years but only ever owned 3 cars and on my current car this is only the 3rd set of tyres, so I would not call myself an especially experienced driver and even I can notice a MASSIVE difference in the grip qualities in tyres. That alone should tell you something.
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Try Maxxis MAZ1, very good tyres, and can be had for around £68 on Ebay with free delivery :happy2: (Yes I have used them on 200bhp+ cars :smiley: )
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I've got Falken 452's on mine and they're great. Got a very good reputation on the BMW forums. About £100 a corner as well :happy2:
they are AWFUL in VAG fitment 225/40R18. i had them on my car for about a year and thought they were great. then i switched to proper tyres (Conti SportContact 3s) and the difference is like night and day. The Contis grip as well in the wet as the 452s do in the dry. avoid like the plague! (they are very hard wearing though - they still had nearly 7mm of tread after about 20k miles of motoring when i sold them on.)
Never had conti's but I doubt very much they grip as well in the wet as 452's in the dry
By all means try it. I have been driving for nearly 10 years but only ever owned 3 cars and on my current car this is only the 3rd set of tyres, so I would not call myself an especially experienced driver and even I can notice a MASSIVE difference in the grip qualities in tyres. That alone should tell you something.
Ill definitely give them a try when mine need changing. I'm running 19's so might be slightly different handling to yours tho.