MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: karl210 on September 02, 2013, 11:52:34 am
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Has anyone serviced their own dsg box? Ive got vag-com and read the procedure.
Would i be right in buying this, some clear tubing and a one way primer pump something like a dieseal pump?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Laser-Tools-ATF-Adaptor-For-VW-Audi-DSG-Transmission-4987-/231029895785?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item35ca747269 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Laser-Tools-ATF-Adaptor-For-VW-Audi-DSG-Transmission-4987-/231029895785?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item35ca747269)
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My garage tried everything to get the gearbox oil in and in the end had to buy the correct tool so they could get the right amount of fluid in. Personally I'd get a garage to do it.
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This may be of some interest.
http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/multi/dsg-diy-fluid-change-service.htm
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This may be of some interest.
http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/multi/dsg-diy-fluid-change-service.htm
Yeah just been reading that myself, Waiting 40 minutes for the oil to slowly go in is absoloutly no problem for me. My makeshift funnel and tubing i use for manual cars usually takes about 20-30mins anyway because its thin tubing.
hopefully get some fluid and a filter ordered shortly then, Seen genuine oil on ebay for about £60 for 6 liters and £12 for a filter, winner :happy2:
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Personally I wouldn't even think About having anyone but VW or a very reputable Indy to touch the DSG. When I bought my eddy the garage had DSG oil changed. The week I got it back I booked it into VW to have it done just to be 110% it was Done properly. Saving a few quid doing it yourself could end up costing you ££££'s
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^^agree with the above, just pay an indy or VW to do it for peace of mind.
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to be honest im quite a competent diy mechanic. Ive done a lot more complicated things than refilling a gearbox. For the price of the vag tool and the oil it would of been just as cheap to send it into the dealers at £180, but now finding out the box can be refilled from the top its just like any other gearbox oil service.
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Keep us informed of how you got on, or make a "how to thread" as others might find it very useful/cost effective.
The only concern could be if the mechatronic unit fails at a later date. VW maybe reluctant to contribute to any kind of repair if it hasn't ever been carried out by them before, but I could well be wrong.
Good luck :happy2:
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to be honest im quite a competent diy mechanic. Ive done a lot more complicated things than refilling a gearbox. For the price of the vag tool and the oil it would of been just as cheap to send it into the dealers at £180, but now finding out the box can be refilled from the top its just like any other gearbox oil service.
your mad :confused:
its nothing like just refilling a gearbox, that oil is What makes that box function....not just a lubricating fluid.
you need vcds too check the oil level in the box and thats before and after its been filled up with s special tool and in a way someone knows. I used to work for vw so I know how vital it is that its done right.
I can change clutches, cam belts, wheel bearings...all sorts but I wouldn't touch that box. if it goes wrong your 3k down for the sake of 150!
just get vw to do it...least then you have sone form of warranty.
even a specialist who has the kit and knowledge...im not saying you don't but you wouldn't post this if you were fully sure.
im not digging...simply trying too help a fellow member out :drinking:
ps sorry for grammar im on my phone!
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I did mines myself have no problems yet 10000 miles and going
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JackG's mentality is why people pay £200 for what is basically an oil change and 30 minutes work.
You can change the fluid yourself.
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I seem to remember when my mate did mine (who was a mechanic at the dealers), once the new oil was in you had to bring it upto a certain temperature (37 degrees I think) then run the box through park, reverse, neutral, drive, sport and back the way too for 2 seconds in each mode
Matt
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For me at least I'd want the right invoice in my service file. If I were a potential buyer an invoice for this and a cam belt change from a reputable servicing agent would be at the top of my list. It's every 40k so if you have the car long enough to be getting it done a second time then budget for it.
JKM charge £149 for this. Take the cost of parts and required tools etc from this and then add the value of Jim or one his staff having look around while they're under there then it's good value I reckon.
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go for it, only a oil change :happy2:
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JackG's mentality is why people pay £200 for what is basically an oil change and 30 minutes work.
You can change the fluid yourself.
not really....just doesnt make sense. we all know how technical these boxes are..if it goes wrong you have no one too fall back on as you would if you had it done at a garage.
plus youve got too think about future resale...id want a fully serviced and documented gearbox service by a reputable person
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not really....just doesnt make sense. we all know how technical these boxes are..if it goes wrong you have no one too fall back on as you would if you had it done at a garage.
plus youve got too think about future resale...id want a fully serviced and documented gearbox service by a reputable person
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That can be said about absoloutly anything though, fitting an induction kit, fitting new headunit, changing dv or even washing and polishing your car. I enjoy doing things myself and money is going to be tight untill after chirstmas so i can either wait untill then or do it myself, im pretty sure its overdue though. There is no reason why anyone cant do this, aslong as you take all the precations and most importantly when doing anything on a car take your time and dont rush and stress! Was changing stem seals on a honda civic the other day and because i was rushing to do it before the rain came in I dropped a valve into the engine so ended up having to change the headgasket and all other seals. I really enjoy tinkering with my car so why not, re-calibrated the gearbox the other day and its much smoother than before.
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JackG's mentality is why people pay £200 for what is basically an oil change and 30 minutes work.
You can change the fluid yourself.
not really....just doesnt make sense. we all know how technical these boxes are..if it goes wrong you have no one too fall back on as you would if you had it done at a garage.
plus youve got too think about future resale...id want a fully serviced and documented gearbox service by a reputable person
I do all of my own servicing anyway. The care and attention of a knowledgeable enthusiast is worth more than a faceless stamp of a garage. What do garages offer really?
Most people who are really into their cars and do their own servicing know no less than the mechanics who you pay £60 an hour for. I can change a gearbox myself if I really had to.. Anyone who does an oil and filter for their engine themselves can do the DSG filter themselves..
It's an oil and filter change. It is not rocket science. There is no reason to pay over the odds for it.
BOTH methods work (the filling from below and from the top) and both are pretty easy to do.
So it would not make the least bit of difference in my eyes.
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I agree Xjay 100%
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how regularly does the dsg box need servicing?
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Every 40k :happy2:
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It's easy. Did mine a couple of years ago. I made a fill plug from a drilled out sump plug, and pumped the oil into the gearbox. VCDS for temperature check, then allow excess oil to weir out. Job jobbed.
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Im planning to change mine also. Just one question for you who done it them selves. How did you make sure your car was level when you added the oil? Thats a bit of problem for me as I dont have a proper lift. I was thinking that I need to raise all 4 corners to make car level and have access to the sump plug (im lowered so Im not sure if I can access plug when car is on ground). Thanks for any ideas
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I think DIY servicing can be a bit of a false economy.
When you come to sell the car there is limited traceability for work undertaken for prospective buyers and it will give them an opportunity to knock money off in private and when selling to trade as I have experienced this, although in the circumstances I was prepared for this.
It's alright/expected on a shed but currently I think the cars are too valuable for this. Of course I would probably trust a long term forum member or enthusiast more than an advert on Auto Trader etc.
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I think DIY servicing can be a bit of a false economy.
The alternative angle is that some people DIY to know the job is performed correctly and with care. If you're competent with the spanners, any routine service job should be possible to a DIYer.
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I think DIY servicing can be a bit of a false economy.
The alternative angle is that some people DIY to know the job is performed correctly and with care. If you're competent with the spanners, any routine service job should be possible to a DIYer.
I agree with this. Though many cars are getting more difficult to do even routine servicing jobs on without diagnostic equipment, the basics can be done by a competent DIYer.
Provided you can do the work safely and ompetently do it. I think that the real problem is with resale. A fully stamped up service record is nearly always means a higher selling price. The general public put faith in Dealer servicing, however misguided this can be at times! I bet there are people on this forum who know and understand their cars better than some fully trained mechanics. But unless you know that person and their capabilities - can you really trust them?
My previous car had NO dealer stamps - except for the first yearly check. I had done all the servicing to beyond the recommendations. At 7 yrs old and 72K It was sold, but not on 'trade in'. 'No service history recorded sir - that will knock the price down by a large amount'... I was prepared to take a hit as I had saved much more by servicing myself. My brother in law on the other hand snapped it up 'I want your car, it runs like dream and has been serviced to a inch of its life, properly!' I got a good price. :happy2:
My current GTI has the all stamps and any work carried out is fully documented by the garage. Its still under warranty and I don't want any disputes should something go wrong. I'll probably get all the work done by a recognised garage for the next year or so until I decide if its going to be a long term keeper. If its going I've got a more valuable service record. If I keep it I'll save a lot by doing it myself - well most of it. And then at 12+years old and 120K on the clock it wont matter a damn!
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Yep many of the jobs are doable at home but in the end it boils down to time and a rather uncomfortable garage floor for me :signLOL:. On typical home ramps/stands there's so little space to work and inspect properly a 15 minute job in a garage turns into a longer job at home.
I'm busy most Saturdays as most of us will be and Sunday is not a great day to do work on a car because if you balls up a job you're stuffed for parts and spares until Monday so not being able to get to work would be a right hassle.
A good Indy will suffice in terms of stamps, if your selling private then the stamps may not be as important. I fully accept where a car dealer is coming from, they can't stick a car on a forecourt with no service history and expect it to shift because there will be 10 other cars with FSH that will shift in far quicker time.
Equally if I bought a car with no documented service history and it fell apart a week after buying it, I would expect a lot of people to say 'took a risk...what were you expecting'.
I'm glad there's plenty of DIY information on here :happy2:.
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So i finally did it :happy2: It took about 2 hours all in all. I did the top fill method as said in this tutorial http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/multi/dsg-diy-fluid-change-service.htm (http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/multi/dsg-diy-fluid-change-service.htm)
It was really easy and i dont know why its made out to be such a big fuss, if you can change engine oil easily enough you can do this. Just take your time and make sure you keep everything clean and no dirt goes in anywhere and have lots of raggs to hand. All that is needed is a 14mm allen key, 8mm allen key, 10mm socket and ratchet and another 13mm socket and a 24mm socket and ideally a torque wrench and do exactly as it says on that tutorial. To drain the oil into i used a jerry can because its not so tall you have to jack the car up too high and a funnel, I then poured it into a 5L water container that i had measured, to gauge how much i drained. To refill i used the jerry cans spout which just about fit over filler inside the oil filter and the funnel ontop of that, just pour it in bit by bit, it takes about 15 minutes. A small srynge is handy to remove the old oil from the filter housing but not 100% essential. I drained and refilled exactly 4.5L and put a little bit more in to make up for what i spilt. It cost me £55 delivered for 6L of genuine VW oil and a filter. Heres some pics, any questions just ask but i know an intermediate mechanic would have no problem doing this, only let down though is no stamp.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MhL5nZtYv2c/UlLWyH8qs3I/AAAAAAAAAKI/8fQM086ErhY/w935-h701-no/2013+-+2)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KJnqhlVCcnA/UlLWyAY0UsI/AAAAAAAAAKA/pzKvhXexxM8/w935-h701-no/2013+-+1)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-HgUoNkMf6Sg/UlLWyNxTAVI/AAAAAAAAAKQ/YyneDf7Lyms/w935-h701-no/2013+-+3)
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You can fill the gearbox from the filter housing just takes longer but it's like earning £150 per hour for 45 mins.
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Impressive! Well done. Bet this write up will get a few folks thinking. :happy2:
1 question - just how critical is the oil level in a DSG box? Is it MLs or cup fulls? what would be the effect of slightly overfilled or underfilled box - is there some form of overflow or expansion area?
You carefully measured the quantity taken out and refilled the same amount 'plus a little for spillage'...........
Thanks
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45 mins if you fill it with syrup! only took me 15 mins.
I can imagine its quite critical but i bet a couple of hundred ml's over wont hurt but i wouldnt like to underfill. Where you drain the oil from there is a tube that extends up into the "gearbox sump" so when the oil level is below this tube nothing drains out but if the oil level is over the brim of the tube it will flow out down through the tube, there are plenty of pics of this online so you will see what i mean. Yeah i measured 4.5ml exactly in my bottle but i did spill about 100ml at a guess so just popped 4.6L back in. you can then undo the drain plug and if it is slightly overfilled it will drain untill its perfect but i was confident so just left it. Its shifting much nicer now, looking forward to tommorrow morning to see how it really is because the box never feels 100% when its cold.
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The measure-refill method should also include a note that when measuring the oil coming out, it should be same temp as oil going in. Im not sure how much oil expands when hot but if vw takes this into account maybe this should too to minimize measurement errors.
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I did the DSG service yesterday. Was really easy and everything went like in the diy's. I used top fill method and planned to measure the oil temp with vag-com and set the level as done with factory instructions. I lifted all 4 corners so car was level. However, after I dropped exactly 4.5l of oil (+filter), I decided to just measure 4.6l and be done with it. Worked out well, dsg shifts better and the fluid coming out was certainly black when compared to fresh oil. I used Febi dsg oil and vw parts for filter and seals. It took about 40 minutes to fill through the filter hole. :drinking:
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dealer charges are about 178 including labour
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For reference I had my DSG oil and filter changed, along with the filter housing (which was leaking) for £108 with genuine parts at my local indy.