MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Rinzleristron on September 02, 2013, 07:46:43 pm
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I'm new here having bought an '05 GTI (DSG) two weeks ago, so apologies if this has been covered before.
I bought the car privately on the 23/08, tested it, there where a few bumps and marks but nothing that concerned me. On the 29/08 I went to reverse off my drive way and it felt as though the gearbox had slipped. As I was driving I noticed what sounded like a rubbing noise but no loss of power or issue with the gear change. At first I thought one of the calipers may have seized as the noise was coming from the front offside. Got to my local VW specialist and when they took a look the noise was originating from the Cambelt which was clearly worn despite the fact that the previous owner had changed it 5000 miles ago. I agreed to get the work done, however the garage put the car on the ramp this afternoon and noticed this:-
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fmm207%2Foptimusvsmegatron%2FMount_zps62beff59.png&hash=3f33c005a01ff24e6f15150148d44e28e3675f6c)
I haven't got much idea what I'm looking at to be honest. It was explained but I was so f*****g p****d off, I missed most of it!
It's been diagnosed with a lower mount failure (?). I've been told it's the only failure of it's kind that they've seen on a GTI but may be the result of a front impact and a temporary fix.
The Garage is recommending an engine replacement. Anyone else had this and is a new engine my only option?
Thanks in advance!
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Doudt it will need a new engine. My suggestion would be to get get the lower engine mount replaced.
WRT the cambelt - was it changed by a VW garage. Do you have the invoice or have you phoned the garage to check it has actually been replaced?
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Doudt it will need a new engine. My suggestion would be to get get the lower engine mount replaced.
WRT the cambelt - was it changed by a VW garage. Do you have the invoice or have you phoned the garage to check it has actually been replaced?
Thanks for the reply. It wasn't changed by a VW garage. The car was missing the Cambelt cover and I don't recall any wear when I viewed the car. Apparently the engine has slipped as the mount failed and so the belt is now rubbing which has caused the wear. I obviously don't know enough about mechanics to make a judgement but thought there may be an easier option than an engine replacement, although I'm not sure what other damage may be caused... wondering whether to get a second opinion.
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sounds like a case of re-using old bolts :scared: has happened to others on here...
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IF i remember correctly, on the GTi, to replace the cambelt the engine mount needs to be removed and the mount stretch bolts replace otherwise they could snap........................
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Not a GTi but the setup is the same - http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,24226.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,24226.0.html)
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seen this on mk4 tdi,s the mount bolt gets loose and the movement rips a chunk of metal out of the block and drops on The drive shift best fix is a new block
don't know if this is the same thing is it a 1.9 tdi ?
Rob
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My engine bolt on my old vectra went after having the cambelt changed, it was done privately and the guy had clearly used the old bolts. Anyway the whole engine started vibrating loudly as one of the engine bolts had sharred off after a couple of days. Luckily the fix was replacing the bolts on the engine mount.
In this case there seems to be more damage however I really don't think you would need a whole new engine. Remember a dealer will always tell you the most expensive fix.
For the mechanics of the forum, please advise the op in more depth than I am able!
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How much are they quoting you for a new engine by the way?
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seen this on mk4 tdi,s the mount bolt gets loose and the movement rips a chunk of metal out of the block and drops on The drive shift best fix is a new block
don't know if this is the same thing is it a 1.9 tdi ?
Rob
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Told that it can occur on a TDI but they'd never seen it on a GTI, hence the theory that it suffered a minor front impact at some point putting pressure on the mount. My only concern is that I drove to the garage without any noticeable loss in performance (I didn't hammer it on route), so I'm kind of hoping that there may be no 'long term' damage to the engine. It seems a little drastic to replace the entire unit. May get someone else to take a look
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How much are they quoting you for a new engine by the way?
It's an independent VW specialist... They did a similar job last year and sourced an engine for £1200 w/ 30 day warranty (!). Looking at the image, the bolt appears in tact but the mount has ruptured.
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It doesnt look like it's only just happened. Someone has put a nut at the end.
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30 day warranty on an engine...is it from the local scrapyard?
Unfortunately looks like you've been mugged in a private sale.
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Is it possible to replace just that part of the engine mount?
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Its a temp fix, the nut is holding the bolt onto the remainder of the mount. I paid a visit to the last garage in the service book today and the guy remembered doing the work and admitted that they had offered the previous owner a temp fix as the damage was already there, hence the need for a cambelt change. He must of had it standing following the work as I drove less than 100 miles before the engine dropped. It's also been de-catted which makes me wonder (with 9 months left) how it got through the MOT?
Quote for a new engine + install + VAT is £4000+
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...and as you rightly point out, I've been well and truly mugged!
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Ask for the mount to be replaced with the cambelt and see what happens?
It is illegal under the Road Traffic Act for both business and private individuals to sell a car that isn't roadworthy for which you have at least two items to question:
1. Failed engine mount/Temp fix admitted by garage work was undertaken by....is the garage in question happy to let a car onto public roads with temporary fixes?
2. Decat.
There is potentially £4k's worth of repairs at stake here but you will probably be pursuing with your own money/time and resources.
Where was the car advertised?
You have to treat many private sales with caution as so many people will claim to have a genuine reason for sale but might be hiding problems that they don't want to repair.
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How about this. Took me a while to remember who made it.
http://www.dieselgeek.com/Broken_2_0T_VW_Engine_Block_Fix_Bracket_p/vg-2.0t.htm
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Did the previous owner tell you about the fault, guessing not... Sounds like the garage advised him during the cam belt work... I'd arm yourself with a few facts then go back to the original seller after a full refund...
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That was a bit naughty to sell like that ...would of been better to be upfront or put in auction or trade in
sent using my own fingers
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Ask for the mount to be replaced with the cambelt and see what happens?
It is illegal under the Road Traffic Act for both business and private individuals to sell a car that isn't roadworthy for which you have at least two items to question:
1. Failed engine mount/Temp fix admitted by garage work was undertaken by....is the garage in question happy to let a car onto public roads with temporary fixes?
2. Decat.
There is potentially £4k's worth of repairs at stake here but you will probably be pursuing with your own money/time and resources.
Where was the car advertised?
You have to treat many private sales with caution as so many people will claim to have a genuine reason for sale but might be hiding problems that they don't want to repair.
Thanks for all of the replies. You're right it's probably the only protection a buyer has in a private sale, the car must be roadworthy in that it cannot have any fault with a) The brakes b) The Steering c) The structure of the car.
Having been to see both Citizens Advice and a Solicitor over the last few days I'm looking at 'C' as the mount is integral to the structure of the car. The question over the MOT can be raised with Trading Standards and the police could be involved as the seller has technically obtained money by deception. None of the issues were declared at the time of sale.
The worrying thing is the safety element, if its a dodgy head, cambelt issue, I would have been prepared for it but to sell a car that could potential kill is something else.
I prepared a letter before my visit to the solicitor today and luckily covered everything so manage to get away with a free consultation. Must now wait seven days for a reply, which in itself is a nightmare as no one can touch the car, so I have no idea of the state of the rest of the engine or whether it is salvageable, if the seller refuses a refund after the seven days and it is repairable I can authorise the work and will then chase the costs in small claims court.
I've had it at an 'independent VW garage' and now at a main dealer (just to cover all angles and get two opinions/quotes) and everyone keeps telling me what a great car it is... it just happens to have one of, if not the most expensive rectifiable faults they've seen!
Thanks again for your help, I'll let you know what happens...
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How about this. Took me a while to remember who made it.
http://www.dieselgeek.com/Broken_2_0T_VW_Engine_Block_Fix_Bracket_p/vg-2.0t.htm
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Thanks... I found this last night, took me a while though! but wasn't sure if it was the right one. It's the only one I could find as I can't see any be sold in the UK. I might give them a call and ask a few questions