MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Parmo on September 11, 2013, 02:37:21 pm
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I'd appreciate any help and advice please I got a 08 plate GTI 10 weeks ago it had 39k miles on it part exchanged after having an issue with a ed30. Anyway this one was fully loaded and fsh.
I picked it up and the dealer has stamped it as being serviced I notice it hasn't had the dsg service so I book this in and after owning the car 7 days vw do the dsg and report back its low on engine oil nearly on min on the dipstick. I think this is odd.
I mention this to the supplying dealer they top it up and tell me to monitor it so
In the following 10 weeks since I've discovered it's drinking oil it has no leaks and isn't showing anything wrong on vag com
I did 700 mile motorway travel not used any oil
But once I'm back town driving I'm getting 150-200 miles and checking and reading is just over min halfway
Vw have looked at the findings saying it out of tolerance and to rectify it saying a new engine.
The thing I'm worried about is getting a new engine ? Problem when I come to sell it I've only had it 10 weeks, its got warranty for 2 years
I'm guessing the previous owner had this problem that's why they got rid
Thoughts and opinions please
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Did you buy the car from VW ?
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Hello mate, we bought a '56 plate DSG GTi with 41,000 miles on the clock back in April and we seem to be gettng through about a litre of oil roughly every month and we probably do about 600 miles a month. Admittedly though sometimes the car does get put through its paces. I have read on the forum that these particular engines do like a bit of oil and also that once they reach 60 - 70,000 miles it doesnt tend to use so much oil !!! I dont really know how that works or if its actually true I just read it on here somewhere once I think.
Point being it might not actually have anything wrong with it so try and search the forum for further info cos im definately no expert. Hope it helps
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Vw quote a quart in 600 miles as within tolerance for this engine so from your town driving you fall out of tolerance.
I take it a new engine isn't covered by the warranty? Is it a vw approved used car?
If you search the forum you will see a few threads on oil consumption...some TFSI do consume others don't.
It doesn't always mean your engine is faulty either but it is a bit annoying, I wasn't happy with a quart in 1300 miles being consumed on my previous golf.
Don't expect a dealership to be bothered, they will just say that's how it is as they have set procedures to follow.
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Not sure from your first thread, but was the service done by VW?
If it wasn't and was done by an indy, did they use the correct oil? ie VW 504/507 spec.
If its the wrong oil that could be an answer and worth changing it ASAP.
Do you always check the oil cold ie stood for several hours, and is the car level? These can make a big difference to the readings
Sorry if that is too obvious.
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Thanks for the replays so far
The cars done about 2800 miles and had 4-5L oil
The service and longlife oil is correct the vehicle had an additional warranty with it and also I've mentioned the sale of goods act as well I'm covered all ends
They did at one stage tell me to check it after 600 miles and it was lost on them when I replied its either gonna be close to empty or the engine blown by then
Didn't buy through vw just a big nationwide dealership but full vw sh
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New engine or give the car back to them for a refund is what I would be looking for.
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New engine or give the car back to them for a refund is what I would be looking for.
Second that! Preferably a refund and walk away. There are quite a lot of good ones to choose from.
The cars done about 2800 miles and had 4-5L oil - That is completely unacceptable!
Something is seriously wrong. And if the engine has problems, what about the rest of the car.
Really sorry you have the problem. Hope you get sorted soon mate.
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Refund and also return the ed30
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Get out as quickly and smoothly as possible. Even with a new engine you'll probably find it's tainted your ownership of the car and then you'll have to explain it at re-sale time. Can't imagine an indy dealer paying full VW prices for an engine and labour, not for a moment.
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The warranty I have covers me to £10500
What would be the cost of a new engine and associated parts and labour??
What else would they replace if putting a new engine ? Belts etc ?
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Christ! I thought mine was bad , Ive used about 1.8 litres of oil in a year , approx 6K miles. My last GTI didnt use a drop between services in 2 years though , like others have said , some do , some dont , but a GALLON of oil? get rid , ASAP.
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I had a fabia Vrs for a year (not a gti but good food for thought) I bought it and on the way home the headgasket went. I had it fixed and the car was never the same after. Completely tainted my ownership.
I was scared to give it too many revs and was constantly worried it would breakdown.
Moral of the story - take the car back and find another...
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3000 miles and 4 track sessions and my golf gti has used half a litre of oil, its on 65k now.
Id say there is a serious problem with it!
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agree with all the others. Ive had my gti for 8500 miles and so far its used around a couple of litres i would say...maybe less IIRC.
If you want to get the refund sorted on it make sure you you do everything in writing then legally youre covered and chase it it up asap as im sure theres a time limit on when you can reject the car ( 28 days i think but do coorect me if im wrong)
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Incidentally, I noticed this week that my engine oil consumption has gotten higher than usual, I have been driving a bit more aggressively so I think there may well be a link.
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Panic over for now I'm told the diagnosis was extreme further advice means the new engine was abit extreme. They have a solution not sure what it is but they emailed me late last night.
Funnily enough in last 5 days its used very little.
Be gutted to lose this especially the spec it has as its all factory fit
Parking sensors
Electric folding mirrors
18" monza s
Puddle mirrors
Sunroof
Mfsd
Leather
Auto lights
Auto wipers
Convienance pack
Luxury pack
Rns 510
6 disk changer in armrest
Cruise
Rear view dimming
Highline comp
Fvwsh
40k
08 5dr
Dsg paddle shift
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I'd appreciate any help and advice please I got a 08 plate GTI 10 weeks ago it had 39k miles on it part exchanged after having an issue with a ed30. Anyway this one was fully loaded and fsh.
Thoughts and opinions please
It's a difficult one , the car sounds very nice 39k etc . The oil consumption seems very high for such a low miles car.
How did it compare
Did your ED30 have the same issue ?
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My ed30 looked and drove really well however with less than 1/4 tank it would just cut out at any speed had it on vag com and couldn't find any fault codes
And in the fast lane and it happening time to get rid
The ed30 had no spec on it bog standard
The golfs standard with no mods planned and I'm happy with that I'm already looking at my next car mk6 golf R but would like to keep this one a years or so
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My ed30 looked and drove really well however with less than 1/4 tank it would just cut out at any speed had it on vag com and couldn't find any fault codes
And in the fast lane and it happening time to get rid
The ed30 had no spec on it bog standard
The golfs standard with no mods planned and I'm happy with that I'm already looking at my next car mk6 golf R but would like to keep this one a years or so
Sounds scary ! Best off out of it
Was it a straight swap ED30 to full spec GTI
Your new car sound a much better bet , I hope my car does not start doing random stuff.
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Few grand going the other way the ed30 07 76k fsh but naked in spec immaculate inside and out in my opinion I'm enjoying the GTI more with all its toys and still puts a smile on my face
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Any update on this thread ?
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They have admitted that at time of purchase they put wrong oil in or as they said cheap oil had quorum long life oil plus fourtron additive have to check after 500 mile
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They have admitted that at time of purchase they put wrong oil in or as they said cheap oil had quorum long life oil plus fourtron additive have to check after 500 mile
Do you mean Quantum oil? Quantum Long Life oil is used by VAG group.
If it was 'cheap oil' then this is a separate problem and unlikely to be influencing oil consumption whether 5w30 or 5w40.
They used additive to try and conceal the oil consumption?
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Yes sorry iphone spelling error have now done oil and filter change used the correct oil and a additive called fourtron since last week when it was done oil is still at max
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Ok I thought you meant they admitted using it before.
I'm not sure I would accept using Additive as a solution but see how it goes.
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So what would you ask as a solution
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Refund or New engine.
Not sure if oil additives 'add' any value over a good quality oil.
Also this has now altered the test results, you need to watch the oil consumption with what the Manufacturer specifies the vehicle needs.
I haven't seen VW promoting oil additives either. This adds additional costs onto your servicing as well, it isn't your fault the car is consuming oil so should you really be responsible for these additional costs? I know the cost of Oil additive probably isn't much but it's more the principle in finding a proper solution.
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Have just looked up this additive - never heard of it before. http://www.fortron.com.au/downloads/pdf1/17.pdf
I could be wrong but I don't think it is a viscosity improver like STP and similar, It reads as a ''friction improver' if that makes sense. So I don't think I would be concerned about it.
If the oil that was first put in -ie the 'wrong stuff' was a real cheapo and thus the viscosity quickly dropped to a very low number it could burn or just piss past the oil control ring. Or if it was a really low viscosity oil say 0w 10, same scenario.
Monitor the level constantly, if it remains at the right level and there are no other worrying signs, its probably ok now .......
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I have never heard of fourtron , should I be putting it in my car ?
Does it improve performance ?
Just read the above link
Is this like slik 50 or zx1 extra lube ?
Is it part of a vw service , or do I need to specify this ?
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It was using half litre before a week and I have drove 2k miles until they informed me we used cheap oil non vw spec. Since quantum longlife 3 an fourtron additive an oil filter changed a week ago I've drove it hard in D an S mode hard using the paddle shifts as well done few hundred miles no loss of oil
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It was using half litre before a week and I have drove 2k miles until they informed me we used cheap oil non vw spec. Since quantum longlife 3 an fourtron additive an oil filter changed a week ago I've drove it hard in D an S mode hard using the paddle shifts as well done few hundred miles no loss of oil
Sounds as though wrong spec oil was the problem .
What oil were you using to top up Asda ?
What were the supplying dealer thinking using cheap oil ?
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I was using quantum longlife 3 5-30w the dealer was evans halshaw
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I was using quantum longlife 3 5-30w the dealer was evans halshaw
Suprise that a reputable big national dealer would get it wrong. But i guess they would use what they have in stock, whatever the main franchise has in the barrell.
How much does the quantum cost for 5 ltrs ?
Sounds like they are looking after you ok, which is always the sign of a good dealer.
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I have never heard of fourtron , should I be putting it in my car ?
Does it improve performance ?
Just read the above link
Is this like slik 50 or zx1 extra lube ?
Is it part of a vw service , or do I need to specify this ?
The approved oil has an additive package.
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I have never heard of fourtron , should I be putting it in my car ?
Does it improve performance ?
Just read the above link
Is this like slik 50 or zx1 extra lube ?
Is it part of a vw service , or do I need to specify this ?
The approved oil has an additive package.
Ok cheers
Last service i have used Mobil 1 EsP 507
In my other car i used carlube triple r vw spec 507
Will these both have the additives packs ?
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I don't think they are looking after you that well if they tried to skank you with cheap oil...cutting corners immediately raises my suspicions.
Did they say what oil they used before changing it?
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I have never heard of fourtron , should I be putting it in my car ?
Does it improve performance ?
Just read the above link
Is this like slik 50 or zx1 extra lube ?
Is it part of a vw service , or do I need to specify this ?
The approved oil has an additive package.
Ok cheers
Last service i have used Mobil 1 EsP 507
In my other car i used carlube triple r vw spec 507
Will these both have the additives packs ?
You can find the oil specs on those respective companies websites.
Loads of info here: http://www.opieoils.co.uk/
*No affiliation with Opie oils
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Unsure what to do next two schools thought potential damage done by incorrect oil used but if it's ok now do I stick or twist
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Unsure what to do next two schools thought potential damage done by incorrect oil used but if it's ok now do I stick or twist
The measurement of oil consumption should be within the procedures that VW specify, I don't recall the use of additives to alter consumption.
Speak to VWUK and see what they have to say.
EDIT - Just looked and seen that Evans Halshaw are not a VW dealer so they probably won't help as it's not a VW approved used car.
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Has the fourtron worked ? Has it improved performance ?
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So far so good
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So far so good
Keep us updated , that fortron sounds good
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The Castrol Edge FST 5w30 1L top up is £12 at Asda at the minute. :happy2:
If unsure what oil your dealers use, just supply your own, you can get it cheaper at ECP. VW charge you for 5L, but the car takes 4.6L for a full change, so if you supply your own, you have 0.4L left to use for top ups.
:happy2:
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I've looked at this product and it makes a number of claims and it doesn't say what's in the bottle on the website either?
Quote from an Opie Oils Aftermarket Oil Additives PDF:
http://www.opieoils.co.uk/pdfs/tech-articles/Aftermarket-oil-additives.pdf
Another common type of additive is the oil thickener. They may be sold as products to reduce oil consumption, stop smoke or stop leaks, which they may well do, but by thickening the oil, they are reducing the lubrication of the engine. These products are extremely thick petroleum based oils that when mixed with engine oil, increase the average thickness of the oil in the engine to something far thicker than recommended for that engine. Cars are designed to run on certain oil grades and if one of the thickeners is used with what would be the right grade of oil, the oil will be far to thick to provide a good level of protection.
Possible fob off by Dealer imo.
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Well it's back into garage they are having it for a week going to compression test it maybe new piston rings stem seal values etc using about 1/3 of a litre every 200-300 miles
The fourtron additive and new oil change they did previously didn't work
08 plate GTI dsg fsh now done 42k miles
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Hi mate
I brought your ed30 from Darlington Citroen (Evans) I noticed the stall in power when under 1/4 of a tank. On the fourth occasion the EML came on so phoned up Evans, they had the car booked in at Crawley VW for warrenty and it was a shoddy coil pack,
Touch wood I haven't had this issue since I've had it back 7 weeks ago :happy2:
There 2 year warrenty is good, repair cost covers upto £10300 So pretty good in my opinion.
You must of took good care of her because she's absolutely immaculate inside and out and drives like a dream.
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There warranty isn't worth the paper it's printed on. They have just caused a major oil leak on my car fools of the highest order.
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I did take the edition 30 mats out though to use as my winters
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I've only had the one encounter with the warrenty ATM, however I have got a free mot + any repair costs in writing from them as the car was only sold with 5 months mot so I'll see if they worm there way out of paying IF there is any parts that need replacing.
You would have noticed there s*** at paying! I had to wait 4 days for VW to release my car as Evans darl hadn't paid even though they said they had.
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Is the oil consumption all fixed now ?
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I'm told it is but I've refused the vehicle told them it went I with a small problem and whatever they did resulting in a blown seal and a major leak
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I'm told it is but I've refused the vehicle told them it went I with a small problem and whatever they did resulting in a blown seal and a major leak
So you have rejected he car ? Or refused to collect it ?
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Both shame really was a cracking well specd car. The inspector yesterday did say the leaks fixed now
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Shame sounded a nice car , have the garage accepted the rejection and refunded you in full ?
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No no im awaiting report next week
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No no im awaiting report next week
A report from who ? The dealer or your engineer you sent. What are you expecting the report to say .
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Not sure it's an independent report asked to report on if there was a problem when I bought it and if it's been repaired correctly
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Not sure it's an independent report asked to report on if there was a problem when I bought it and if it's been repaired correctly
If the report says yes , your stuck with it.
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To be fair its a good car I now know it's not leaking and drives well it's not the end of the world either way, it's about principle of a garage and a consumers rights if anything it means if I walk in with warranty work I expect it to be done correctly.
I'd struggle to find another with the same spec that's factory fit
My points of argument are
A. Supplied with a fault
B. Repair caused major leak possible engine and turbo damage it's the garage to prove otherwise within first 6 months of ownership
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To be fair its a good car I now know it's not leaking and drives well it's not the end of the world either way, it's about principle of a garage and a consumers rights if anything it means if I walk in with warranty work I expect it to be done correctly.
I'd struggle to find another with the same spec that's factory fit
My points of argument are
A. Supplied with a fault
B. Repair caused major leak possible engine and turbo damage it's the garage to prove otherwise within first 6 months of ownership
Are you going to get some cash back your way ? For what may occur / inconvenience
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Well vehicle back drives as good as ever engineer report back leak fixed cars fine so kinda happy. But time will tell
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Well vehicle back drives as good as ever engineer report back leak fixed cars fine so kinda happy. But time will tell
You don't sound convinced ..............
You will be selling soon i guess
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To be honest it's just taken some of the gloss of what is a very good car, it drives great and it's factory spec is only missing xenons and a reversing camera and Bluetooth module it's got everything else.
It didn't blow a seal as I thought it was the oil filter housing after all it's now had a new one fitted correctly
Will just monitor it next few weeks