MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: RedRobin on August 31, 2009, 11:36:34 am
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I'm in the process of arranging a possible Group Buy on this bit of kit and am awaiting prices according to quantities.
If there is enough interest I'll arrange it so that a formal list is started in the forum's Group Buy area and that subsequently each person pays the supplier (not me) directly - Like the BSH CatchCan GB.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb308%2FRedRobin_05%2FTyreMonitor.jpg&hash=84e54adcd35f9a84306e05c21e268c9e6b1e5765)
It's portable and is smaller than the size of a flattened packet of 20 fags and wirelessly connects to substitute tyre valves to then display pressures and also tyre temperatures - Possibly very useful to the trackies amongst us. The valves need to be installed by a tyre fitter and replaced when your tyres are - New valves cost £3.98 each inc vat but their batteries last about 7 years.
Usual kit price is £179 inc vat - Discount will be according to final interest.
It has been reviewed favourably by AutoExpress and also The Gadget Show and I bet if Suzi Perry promises to deliver it personally the GB quantity will go through the roof!
Slap Suzi's arse Click Suzi's pic for more info : -
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg15.imageshack.us%2Fimg15%2F1730%2F8766583.jpg&hash=9cb453789ab0579ae692930faf16212348086d30) (http://www.tyresure.com/index.htm)
^ But she promised me it was wireless!! ^
EDIT: (2 Sept 09)
5-9 units = £155 each inc vat and shipping within UK
10+ units = £145 each inc vat and shipping within UK
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interested for my mk1
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One of the guys had this at the SuperChips RR day (and then showed me at VWR)....
Can't remember who it was but he was involved with the import/sale of it?
I'm interested tho :happy2:
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I've just been having a phone chat with Hurdy and he thinks that our 'wheelman' member may be able to get good prices for a GB - Is that pw-motorsport? We'll see who can give us the best discount deal.
First stage is to see the extent of interest here.
Hurdy has also seen one and thinks they are good. [He also wants to keep slapping Suzi's arse!]
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I'll start a list - It's not a commitment at this stage (we don't know the prices yet) - Just a serious interest : -
1 - RedRobin
2 - gillm
3 - CocoPops
4 - Hurdy
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The person who has this already is Ben (Username TheWheelMan).
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I'd seriously think about this. Would save me having to check the tyre pressures manually. Plus my rims need refurbing and tyres need replacing soon.
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@ SteveP - Thanks - I'll try and find out what he thinks of it etc :happy2:
@ stealth - Methinks one could use it at the air top-up places too - More reliable than their data I expect.
Our GTI's already have an onboard tyre monitor but it only tells you you've lost a certain amount of pressure and not how much or which tyre. It's only designed as a safety measure against a slow puncture while driving.
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Our GTI's already have an onboard tyre monitor but it only tells you you've lost a certain amount of pressure and not how much or which tyre. It's only designed as a safety measure against a slow puncture while driving.
Just so you know, the TPMS on the GTI is not an "active" pressure based system. It measures the rolling radius of the wheel through the use of the ABS sensors. This renders it very inaccurate, and slow to respond. As a tyre pressure warning system goes, it's not very effective.
US-issue GTIs get an active TPMS system with a sensor in each wheel; however, the cost to retrofit it in a EU-spec Mk5 is around US$1000, at least when I investigated this a couple of years ago.
This seems like a highly cost-effective and neat way of getting an active TPMS system working. Two things I'd like to know about this though: 1) What wireless protocol does it use? I'd be money it's ZigBee, but I'm not sure; other things could interfere with your phone or bluetooth or whatever and 2) What resolution is the sensor?
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a little bit more info on these-hope you don't mind RR
http://www.tyresave.co.uk/smartire.html
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a little bit more info on these-hope you don't mind RR
http://www.tyresave.co.uk/smartire.html
....I don't mind at all, Andy - In fact I welcome it as it informs us all better.
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This pic on your posted link shows its size better : -
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Just so you know, the TPMS on the GTI is not an "active" pressure based system. It measures the rolling radius of the wheel through the use of the ABS sensors. This renders it very inaccurate, and slow to respond. As a tyre pressure warning system goes, it's not very effective.
US-issue GTIs get an active TPMS system with a sensor in each wheel; however, the cost to retrofit it in a EU-spec Mk5 is around US$1000, at least when I investigated this a couple of years ago.
This seems like a highly cost-effective and neat way of getting an active TPMS system working. Two things I'd like to know about this though:
1) What wireless protocol does it use? I'd bet money it's ZigBee, but I'm not sure; other things could interfere with your phone or bluetooth or whatever and..
2) What resolution is the sensor?
....Haven't you got something better to do such as resurrecting ancient Soviet military hardware? :grin:
Just joking! But I don't know the answers to your questions - If no-one else posts answers I can try and find out tomorrow.
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Apparently, from 2012 all NEW VEHICLES sold in the UK will be fitted with a Tyre Pressure Monitoring System when they leave the factory.
But I wonder if they'll be any better (more accurate) than the system VW already have in our GTI's. And why wait until 2012 FFS!?
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Apparently, from 2012 all NEW VEHICLES sold in the UK will be fitted with a Tyre Pressure Monitoring System when they leave the factory.
But I wonder if they'll be any better (more accurate) than the system VW already have in our GTI's. And why wait until 2012 FFS!?
EU law, same with the DRLs.
They will be much more accurate (both in terms of response and resolution) that the passive TPMS that we have as it will be an active system using in-wheel sensors.
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thats an awful lot of money vs buying a gauge and checking it regularly.
I know they sponsor the Time Attack series and some of the racers are using it.
But for daily driving...is it really VFM?
i look at my tyres every day before i set off for work...just a quick glance for bulges and deflation.
then check the pressure every other week.
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thats an awful lot of money vs buying a gauge and checking it regularly.
I know they sponsor the Time Attack series and some of the racers are using it.
But for daily driving...is it really VFM?
i look at my tyres every day before i set off for work...just a quick glance for bulges and deflation.
then check the pressure every other week.
^^^^ :laugh: So speaks an accountant! :laugh: (As mutual friend Neo would say) :evilgrin:
It's going to be better VFM (who's she?) for those doing trackdays and also for the tyre temperature bonus. The benefits in actual full-on racing are obvious.
However, even on a road-only usage I'd rather know sooner than later about any drop in tyre pressure.
I don't know the truth in the rumours that the public air machines at fuel stations etc aren't very accurate but that's where I regularly check mine about every couple of weeks - Have just done so today. Like you, I always walk around my car giving it a visual check before any drive.
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Apparently, from 2012 all NEW VEHICLES sold in the UK will be fitted with a Tyre Pressure Monitoring System when they leave the factory.
But I wonder if they'll be any better (more accurate) than the system VW already have in our GTI's. And why wait until 2012 FFS!?
EU law, same with the DRLs.
They will be much more accurate (both in terms of response and resolution) that the passive TPMS that we have as it will be an active system using in-wheel sensors.
....This system has 'in wheel' sensors and I think is TUV approved. I already got the DRL's - Nicked 'em off a Vulcan :evilgrin:
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hehe well u know me RR this "crunch" has made me look at £££'s in a different way (so why did i just buy a new camera????)
i dunno...i guess it doesn't appeal to me as much as it does to you.
just checked my tyres and oil levels....
oil topped up, need 2 new tyres!
more expense! Grrrrr
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hehe well u know me RR this "crunch" has made me look at £££'s in a different way (so why did i just buy a new camera????)
....Because you're hanging out with people who are a bad influence on you! (Us!)
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thats an awful lot of money vs buying a gauge and checking it regularly.
I know they sponsor the Time Attack series and some of the racers are using it.
But for daily driving...is it really VFM?
i look at my tyres every day before i set off for work...just a quick glance for bulges and deflation.
then check the pressure every other week.
X2 buy a decent Px Gauge and carry out a weekly safety check on your vehicle, including tyre integrity. I mean by that it is ok to automatically check the TP's, but what is a Tyre pressure monitor on poor or damaged tyres?
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I am with Stoke and Chungster on this one TBH :confused:
Also Robin I am not sure of your plans as to where this GB will be primarily hosted but if your looking to do it here please can you let me or one of the other mods know which supplier this will be done through before confirming it, thanks :happy2:
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buy a decent Px Gauge and carry out a weekly safety check on your vehicle, including tyre integrity. I mean by that it is ok to automatically check the TP's, but what is a Tyre pressure monitor on poor or damaged tyres?
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....Agreed.
You should safety check your vehicle as best as you know how irrespective of having any Tyre Monitor gizmo's.
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I am with Stoke and Chungster on this one TBH :confused:
....Fair enough - No-one is suggesting you have to buy one.
Also Robin I am not sure of your plans as to where this GB will be primarily hosted but if your looking to do it here please can you let me or one of the other mods know which supplier this will be done through before confirming it, thanks :happy2:
....No problem.
This thread is just to network/share the info that this product is on the market, that it may be very useful for some, and inviting an expression of interest so that a GB to everyone's advantage might subsequently be arranged.
At the stage that a) prices are known and b) who the cheapest supplier is, such information will be posted here and then a separate more formal thread can be opened in the GB area, presumably with your blessing.
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^^^^ :laugh: So speaks an accountant! :laugh: (As mutual friend Neo would say) :evilgrin:
It's going to be better VFM (who's she?) for those doing trackdays and also for the tyre temperature bonus. The benefits in actual full-on racing are obvious.
However, even on a road-only usage I'd rather know sooner than later about any drop in tyre pressure.
I don't know the truth in the rumours that the public air machines at fuel stations etc aren't very accurate but that's where I regularly check mine about every couple of weeks - Have just done so today. Like you, I always walk around my car giving it a visual check before any drive.
Heh, I was going to mention the accountant thing myself ;)
In all honesty though I'm leaning with Lee and I'd really recommend you not to use the machines at fuel stations - they are rarely (if ever) calibrated. Buy one of these instead:
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_566753_langId_-1_categoryId_165648
Check it yourself every week.
As I say I'm curious about the technology used in this device. The biggest turn off for me is not knowing the resolution and the fact that it won't look OEM in the car (says the dude with gauges and stuff).
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I like this product and Ben almost sold me one at Autosport back in January.
There was an awful lot of interest/buying of this product at Autosport by race teams and trackday fetishists alike.
The fact I can get into my car on a rainy/freezing cold morning and immediately know that the tyres are okay without turning my fingers black by unscrewing the dust covers every week is a bonus.
For trackdays it will be great to know when you can start to push the tyres a little more when they have warmed up without guessing and pushing it too far too soon.
What this little piece of kit will also do is tell you via the dispay when your tyres are ready to do too, as well as show you which one/s may have deflated.
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Buy one of these instead:
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_566753_langId_-1_categoryId_165648
Check it yourself every week.
....I've already got one but find it fiddly to use. In fact, I'm now thinking I might sell it.
As I say I'm curious about the technology used in this device. The biggest turn off for me is not knowing the resolution and the fact that it won't look OEM in the car (says the dude with gauges and stuff).
....I don't care two figs about whether it looks oem or not - If it displays useful info then as long as it doesn't look ridiculous then it's fine for me. Do they make them in pink?
As I posted earlier I'll try and find out the resolution but don't hold your breath!
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The fact I can get into my car on a rainy/freezing cold morning and immediately know that the tyres are okay without turning my fingers black by unscrewing the dust covers every week is a bonus.
For trackdays it will be great to know when you can start to push the tyres a little more when they have warmed up without guessing and pushing it too far too soon.
What this little piece of kit will also do is tell you via the dispay when your tyres are ready to do too, as well as show you which one/s may have deflated.
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....I feel the same as you about it. But it's clearly not everyone's cup of tea.
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Buy one of these instead:
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_566753_langId_-1_categoryId_165648
Check it yourself every week.
....I've already got one but find it fiddly to use. In fact, I'm now thinking I might sell it.
As I say I'm curious about the technology used in this device. The biggest turn off for me is not knowing the resolution and the fact that it won't look OEM in the car (says the dude with gauges and stuff).
....I don't care two figs about whether it looks oem or not - If it displays useful info then as long as it doesn't look ridiculous then it's fine for me. Do they make them in pink?
As I posted earlier I'll try and find out the resolution but don't hold your breath!
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you can mount the diplay any where ie the glove box if you don,t like it on display-if i didn't work in a garagei would of bought one,like hurdy says saves messing bout a service station and most time the gauges are not accurate
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....I don't care two figs about whether it looks oem or not - If it displays useful info then as long as it doesn't look ridiculous then it's fine for me. Do they make them in pink?
As I posted earlier I'll try and find out the resolution but don't hold your breath!
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/just kidding around in all honesty, I understand the usefulness of such a device and I don't like scrabbling around in the dark trying to measure pressures.
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....I didn't know you were such an expert Lego builder :happy2:
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Although i check my tyre pressures weekly, it's a complete PITA using a manual guage be it digital or analogue. Plus I almost always manage to improperly connect the guage to at least one tyre each time resulting in air leakage and me having to get the tyre pump out. Am also sure if T_T saw this thread, he'd state how digital tyre pressure gages are inaccurate as they let a little air out. The only guages that don't seem to do this accidentally are the ones at petrol stations where a digital guage is used.
It would also be interesting to monitor tyre temps (more because i'm geeky in that sort of way). As for checking tyre integrity surely the best way would be to use a ramp/remove the wheel to inspect all surfaces?
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This seems like a highly cost-effective and neat way of getting an active TPMS system working.
Two things I'd like to know about this though:
1) What wireless protocol does it use? I'd bet money it's ZigBee, but I'm not sure; other things could interfere with your phone or bluetooth or whatever and..
2) What resolution is the sensor?
....Have spoken spoken to a supplier today who read through all the packaging etc and:
1) Bluetooth wireless protocol.
2) No info on resolution. Would have to ask the manufacturer.
HTH :happy2:
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for the interest!!! As some have mentioned already i work for Tyresure and am in a position to offer a GB on these systems. (RR i will PM you with the details, if they are better than others you receive let me know!)
Now for someone who is a bit of a dumb ass when it comes to electronics i may not know all of your question's off the top of my head but i can certanly find out.
1, Communication between the sensor and dispay unit is 433.92MHz
2, Not sure on a resolution but the display is LCD
3, Pressure accuracy is +/- 1psi (i have yet to use a petrol station that reads the same as my unit)
A visual check will tell you if the tyre is flat, not if its running 5 or 10 psi to low. You can take almost all of the air out of a 225/40/18 tyre before it looks different, particulary if its over a long period of time as all tyres will loose air.
Below is a pic of where i currenmtly have the system. I have already used it in the ash tray but i found myself looking at it whist driving...... not the best idea! I dont think it looks too bad, my 1st choice is the drivers air vent though and am working on some form of bracket at the moment............... Even so, other than the green numbers i think the actual display looks fairly OEM
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi38.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe127%2Fben1980%2FTPMSDisplay001.jpg&hash=501d7f39169a3c77283bcc10f0c1aa4aa1f5e991)
Im my mind the system is great, it gives info that you woulddnt normally have and piece of mind when im on a long journey that mu tyres are going good
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for the interest!!! As some have mentioned already i work for Tyresure and am in a position to offer a GB on these systems. (RR i will PM you with the details, if they are better than others you receive let me know!)
Now for someone who is a bit of a dumb ass when it comes to electronics i may not know all of your question's off the top of my head but i can certanly find out.
1, Communication between the sensor and dispay unit is 433.92MHz
2, Not sure on a resolution but the display is LCD
3, Pressure accuracy is +/- 1psi (i have yet to use a petrol station that reads the same as my unit)
1. I know you state it pretty clearly, but to clarify, is the comms using Bluetooth as Red says (2.4GHz) or RF (433MHz)?
2/3. Thanks, but I mean the resolution on the pressure sensor. I guess it must be to 0.05bar or something like that... 1PSI is an odd unit to resolve to. Either way it seems to be quite reasonable accuracy and precision, certainly more than one would need from such a device.
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(RR i will PM you with the details, if they are better than others you receive let me know!)
....Recieved your PM - I've asked the other seller to submit GB prices but they haven't replied yet.
Obviously we'll go for the most favourable price to members.
Below is a pic of where i currenmtly have the system. I have already used it in the ash tray but i found myself looking at it whist driving...... not the best idea! I dont think it looks too bad, my 1st choice is the drivers air vent though and am working on some form of bracket at the moment............... Even so, other than the green numbers i think the actual display looks fairly OEM
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi38.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe127%2Fben1980%2FTPMSDisplay001.jpg&hash=501d7f39169a3c77283bcc10f0c1aa4aa1f5e991)
....I was thinking of using the 'ash tray' position but think your pic shows a much better placing. However, I don't think it looks at all oem but this doesn't matter - Its advantages far outweigh such a consideration imo.
I'll PM you when I recieve prices to compare.
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If you have a GTi then I suggest you consider raising the pressure in your tyres.
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If you have a GTi then I suggest you consider raising the pressure in your tyres.
^^^^ Well spotted! :happy2:
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With the journey i do those pressures are about right. For shorter distances a higher inital perssure is best but for long runs the pressure in my tyres will get to around 40psi which feels good to me..... might try more if thats best?!? I do run them higher in colder conditions though (IE Winter) as the temp is sometimes below zero and the pressure never gets much above 38psi due to the lower ambient temp.
1. I know you state it pretty clearly, but to clarify, is the comms using Bluetooth as Red says (2.4GHz) or RF (433MHz)?
2/3. Thanks, but I mean the resolution on the pressure sensor. I guess it must be to 0.05bar or something like that... 1PSI is an odd unit to resolve to. Either way it seems to be quite reasonable accuracy and precision, certainly more than one would need from such a device.
1, To clarify, the units transmit RF 433.92 MHz NOT Bluetooth. They have passed all major certifactitons and even have the top Jap spec one.... i think its called ARIB.
2, If by resolution you mean what will units display to, than you can choose between PSI, BAR and KPA so will display to the single KPA. You can also choose between celsius and farenheight.
Ben :happy2:
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1, To clarify, the units transmit RF 433.92 MHz NOT Bluetooth. They have passed all major certifactitons and even have the top Jap spec one.... i think its called ARIB.
2, If by resolution you mean what will units display to, than you can choose between PSI, BAR and KPA so will display to the single KPA. You can also choose between celsius and farenheight.
Ben :happy2:
....Looks like I was misinformed by the other possible supplier (still not heard from them but just sent a reminder).
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Has to be a GTI - clocks are different in all non GTI models.
Surely you dont need to be looking at this all the time so the ashtray area would be ok - also better for cabling.
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Surely you dont need to be looking at this all the time so the ashtray area would be ok - also better for cabling.
....I think there are several places to position it. For track you'd probably want it more in your eyeline through the windscreen though, or where Ben has shown it.
Which also raises the question of the display unit's power cable route.
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I've now edited my original post to include the GB prices.
I've spoken to both Ben and the supplier and will now PM SteveP to give him details and for his permission.
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For £145 I'd be seriously interested.
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For £145 I'd be seriously interested.
....Well the only way that's going to happen is if we get 10 serious buyers.
Either spread the word to other forums or make sure you add your name to the list if we hit 9.
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I'm still interested at either of those GB prices
1. Redrobin
2. Hurdy :happy2:
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I haven't heard back from SteveP yet - I expect this will get restarted in the GB area.
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Thankyou Steve :drinking:
GB thread is now open and I will lock this one to save any confusion (principally to myself!)
Linky : - TyreSure Monitor Group Buy.... (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7361.new#new)
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