MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: gillm on September 03, 2009, 10:14:18 pm
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hi guys will my milltek down pipe fit a ko4 ?
will my neuspeed p-flow fit it ?
will/can revo change the software for this ?
and will the forge dv im using on my ko3 work on the ko4 ?
thanks guys
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as far as im aware everything is a straight swap DP and Intake wise.
not sure about the DV as it will have to be relocated to the front of the engine, and revo, superchips etc all do a stge 3 conversion for k04 upgrades
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hi guys will my milltek down pipe fit a ko4 ? Yes
will my neuspeed p-flow fit it ? Not sure
will/can revo change the software for this ? Yes
and will the forge dv im using on my ko3 work on the ko4 ? No
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Your downpipe is a slightly smaller diameter than the one Milltek developed for the K04, but I understand that the flange can be made to fit.
The Neuspeed P-flow would need a take off pipe for the remote location of the Diverter valve. If it doesn't have one it will need one tapping into it.
Revo should be able to do software for this, but it would not be as simple as a stage 2+ remap. This is partly due to the different compression ratio of the pistons - which are lower on the ED30. The best bet is to give Revo a ring as I'm sure they have done this before at some point. It maybe that the map will be a stage 3 remap which is more custom than the 2+ map.
The Forge K03 diverter valve is bolted directly onto the turbo, wheras the K04 Forge DV is located manually at the front of the engine bay. It would work, but not as well as the specific one and would also need adapting to fit.
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Pretty sure Revo do have a map for K04 conversion :happy2:
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Pretty sure Revo do have a map for K04 conversion :happy2:
Yep they call it stage 3, they have it on their TT I believe :happy2:
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The Forge K03 diverter valve is bolted directly onto the turbo, wheras the K04 Forge DV is located manually at the front of the engine bay. It would work, but not as well as the specific one and would also need adapting to fit.
....Forge manufacture a different DV for the K04 than the K03 AFAIK.
Don't you also need to change the injectors? - JKM have a good page of info about K04 conversions on their web site.
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The Forge K03 diverter valve is bolted directly onto the turbo, wheras the K04 Forge DV is located manually at the front of the engine bay. It would work, but not as well as the specific one and would also need adapting to fit.
....Forge manufacture a different DV for the K04 than the K03 AFAIK.
Don't you also need to change the injectors? - JKM have a good page of info about K04 conversions on their web site.
Yes, the injectors will need to be uprated to the ED30/S3/Cupra injectors :happy2:
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you could always go back to a whoooshy dv mate so don't have to worry about tapping into the intake side.
depending on what pipes ur using...i'm not sure ur gonna have a take off for a DV anyway!
so in theory you could run without one, and see how that turbo starts making some funny noises lol.
good luck dude. :happy2:
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Our ED30 Conversion includes all of the following:
If you purchase the OEM ED30 d.v. relocation pieces you will be able to use your Forge d.v. or any d.v. that is made for the ko3 turbo.
We recommend the newest OEM d.v. as it is a plastic piston which is as strong as aftermarket valves so no fears of failure but is as responsive as the OEM electronic valve. You won't have to give up response for strength.
Your ko3 downpipe will bolt straight up and you'll be able to use your p-flow as well.
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many thanks for the info mate , nice to hear from someone who has done this in real life . do you have the part number of the pipe i will need to run the dv ?
also can you recomend a fuel pump ? either a complete unitt or the internal to up grade mine . internals would suit me best . as i can spanner things myself
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^^^ I think you can guess which HPFP Keith will be recommending :laugh: :laugh:
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many thanks for the info mate , nice to hear from someone who has done this in real life . do you have the part number of the pipe i will need to run the dv ?
also can you recomend a fuel pump ? either a complete unitt or the internal to up grade mine . internals would suit me best . as i can spanner things myself
You need the following for the OEM d.v. relocate:
and a Custom Made Wiring Harness extension for the d.v. wiring.
You may also need the part on the far right side of the picture above, , depending upon whether or not your throttle body pipe has the extra bung for the "noise maker".
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^^^ I think you can guess which HPFP Keith will be recommending :laugh: :laugh:
I like the aut..... :fighting:
I have some pretty extensive experience turning wrenches myself from engine and transmission builds to turbo kit installation and fabrication, intercoolers, intakes, exhaust systems, etc. so I understand why you want to save a few quid and enjoy installing your own fuel pump.
HOWEVER,
The FSI HPFP is the one automotive part I would recommend having rebuilt by a properly trained professional with the correct tooling and measurement devices or installing a pre-assembled unit that was constructed in the same manner.
I am not sure if you are aware of the manufacturing processes and testing and q.c. that go into these pumps but if you aren't let me know and I'll spend some time putting the info together.
The short of it is that we have chosen to invest over half a million dollars in the assembly and q.c. processes associated with our HPFP upgrade to insure no assembly errors or run in failures occur as the damage to your engine can be costly.
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pretty sure the head is not the same on the ed30 ie the cams too as thats y they dont suffer from cam lobe problems
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Keith,
While I appreciate you and APR as a whole have lots of experience in the VAG tuning market, I want to make clear that doesn't grant you access to using our site as a free advertising opportunity for APR.
As explained to you via PM when you joined (as I do will all commercial companies) the site works quite differently to many other forums around the world, in that we are 100% independent and don't not favor any one company over any other nor do we take sponsorship or funding from ANY commercial organisation.
If a company wishes to be involved they are welcome to contribute but primarily this has to be for the benefit of our members, you are welcome to include your company details in your signature so that when you do provide assistance your details are clearly displayed.
If you have something you wish to directly promote then please contact me to discus this first, again this will only be considered if this is for the benefit of our members.
This hasn't proven to be an issue for any of the other major tuners or suppliers (such as Revo, Volkswagen Racing, Awesome GTI, JKM etc) that have joined/contributed to this site. All of them have been able to help our members and provide useful input without it coming across as just a company advert (i.e without the use of lots of promotional issues and multiple weblinks). Even when faced with negative comments these companies have followed the rules and behaved in a positive way that only goes to help confirm these are companies worthwhile dealing with.
I appreciate you are used to having free rain over other forums but this isn't going to be the case here.
I hope you can understand where we are coming from and ask if you have any questions to please contact me directly via email or PM.
Regards,
SteveP
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Keith,
While I appreciate you and APR as a whole have lots of experience in the VAG tuning market, I want to make clear that doesn't grant you access to using our site as a free advertising opportunity for APR.
As explained to you via PM when you joined (as I do will all commercial companies) the site works quite differently to many other forums around the world, in that we are 100% independent and don't not favor any one company over any other nor do we take sponsorship or funding from ANY commercial organisation.
If a company wishes to be involved they are welcome to contribute but primarily this has to be for the benefit of our members, you are welcome to include your company details in your signature so that when you do provide assistance your details are clearly displayed.
If you have something you wish to directly promote then please contact me to discus this first, again this will only be considered if this is for the benefit of our members.
This hasn't proven to be an issue for any of the other major tuners or suppliers (such as Revo, Volkswagen Racing, Awesome GTI, JKM etc) that have joined/contributed to this site. All of them have been able to help our members and provide useful input without it coming across as just a company advert (i.e without the use of lots of promotional issues and multiple weblinks). Even when faced with negative comments these companies have followed the rules and behaved in a positive way that only goes to help confirm these are companies worthwhile dealing with.
I appreciate you are used to having free rain over other forums but this isn't going to be the case here.
I hope you can understand where we are coming from and ask if you have any questions to please contact me directly via email or PM.
Regards,
SteveP
Stevep,
Thanks for the reminder. As I mentioned in my reply to the pm I was more than likely going to have some difficulties understanding exactly what that meant.
I went back and edited all of my previous posts on this thread to remove pics, part numbers and links. :drinking:
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As a member and regular user of this forum I'd like to express the view that whereas I agree that it borders on straight advertising to present information in a certain way, I welcome the information that commercial manufacturers and experienced developers such as APR and others can contribute to our discussions when written in prose.
Regarding which HPFP gillm is asking about as best recommended to use, my response is definitely the APR providing you can afford it.
As I am interested in a HPFP for myself, my research has in short informed me that: APR = Fit & Forget, whereas KMD/Autotech = Fit and make sure you keep checking.
The slightly longer story about the KMD/Autotech HPFP suggests that there is no guarantee on their long term durability – Nor ability to ensure that you do not have fuel mixing with oil after considerable mileage on the pump.
:smiley:
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^^^ Agree with Robin here. I really appreciate having the companies on the forum as they are able to provide a level of in depth information we would otherwise not have access to.
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I think that Steve is probably just saying how he doesn't want to see posts which he interprets as commercial promotions.
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Robin,
I do not need you to answer for me, as stated above, as a site we welcome the contribution of reputable companies but this will never be at the cost of the independence of the site.
We will defend this ethos to ensure the members of this site are able to get honest opinions and views on the various products and services available in the rapidly growing TFSI tuning market.
As Keith @ APR has shown he has taken my comments on board and as such this topic needed no further comment.
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do i need ko4 oil pipes or can i use the ones that are from my ko3 ?
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reuse your k03