MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: DomBacon on October 27, 2013, 12:24:02 pm
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Ive taken my front number plate mount off my ed30 and stuck my plate in the window
Ive heard lots of mixed views saying its legal and illegal
Can anyone help?
Cheers Dom.
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By law the plate has to be in front of the wheels.
Thats what ive heard
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Only insured between the license plates apparently....
But yeah, needs to be on the front to stop being pulled
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Ive taken my front number plate mount off my ed30 and stuck my plate in the window
Ive heard lots of mixed views saying its legal and illegal
Can anyone help?
Cheers Dom.
#greyarea!!
Some people say yes, some people say no. You may get a ticket, you may not.
Ultimately it would be for a court to decide as no ones challenged this yet, as technically the legislation allows depending where it's placed and if it's vertical.
A friend with an evo spoke to a nice traffic police sgt and got this letter last year. The bottom part is more relevant about the aftermarket front bumpers - but tbh, that's technical!
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By law the plate has to be in front of the wheels.
Thats what ive heard
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Who told you that?! No mention in the legislation?
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I got £100
Now had to make my car look ugly and re fit it :sad1:
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I got £100
Now had to make my car look ugly and re fit it :sad1:
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On the dash?
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Im pretty sure the law states the number plate has to be forward of the front axle.
Being in the window is defiantly illegal. i got pulled for mine but luckily got away with it other wise as stated is £100 fine.
That letter is all well and good but only really talks about the exceptions of fitting a import size plate.
Few of my friends run them in window, and i ran it like that for 2 months without any hassle depends if you think its worth it.
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Im pretty sure the law states the number plate has to be forward of the front axle.
Being in the window is defiantly illegal. i got pulled for mine but luckily got away with it other wise as stated is £100 fine.
That letter is all well and good but only really talks about the exceptions of fitting a import size plate.
Few of my friends run them in window, and i ran it like that for 2 months without any hassle depends if you think its worth it.
Im pretty sure the law states the number plate has to be forward of the front axle.
Being in the window is defiantly illegal. i got pulled for mine but luckily got away with it other wise as stated is £100 fine.
That letter is all well and good but only really talks about the exceptions of fitting a import size plate.
Few of my friends run them in window, and i ran it like that for 2 months without any hassle depends if you think its worth it.
As I mentioned key point at the bottom. If you fit an aftermarket front bumper, and therefore cannot display the UK plate as a result, doesn't mean you get away with not having it there, if that's an argument you run with (ie: no plinth).
I'd argue it isn't until the courts decide. What parliament intended when they set the legislation is also key, but again we can't judge it until someone goes to court for it instead of pays up.
This is what the legislation says for Mk5 GTIs:
6.
—(1) This regulation applies to vehicles, other than works trucks, road rollers and
agricultural machines, first registered on or after the relevant date.
(2) Except as provided in paragraph (5), a registration plate must be fixed on the front of the
vehicle in the manner required by paragraph (3).
(3) This paragraph requires the plate to be fixed—
(a) vertically or, where that is not reasonably practicable, in a position as close to the
vertical as is reasonably practicable,
(b) in such a position that in normal daylight the characters of the registration mark are
easily distinguishable from every part of a relevant area having the diagonal length
specified in paragraph (4).
(4) The diagonal length of the relevant area is—
(a) in the case of a mark having characters the width of which is at least 57 millimetres,
22 metres,
(b) in the case of a mark having characters the width of which is 50 millimetres, 21.5
metres,
(c) in the case of a mark having characters the width of which is 44 millimetres, 18 metres.
So it needs to be fixed vertically or if not possible in a position as close to vertical as possible and in a positon so in normal daylight it can be seen easily.
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@jonnym
I read it on a forum a while ago.
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I meant a £100 Fine
But sure you already new that wise guy :booty:
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The police around here told me it's unlikely you'll get pulled as long as you have it in the front window.
I guess it depends on the area, but I had no plate on my MK1 for about 6 months with no problems :)
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To be honest I've always thought how naff it looks whenever I see a car with the plate on the dash! Also when it's up there I can rarely see it well enough to read it properly. Not that my opinion is gonna stop anyone doing it though :laugh:
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I'm currently running no plate at the front and have had a few police cars go by with funny looks but no one has stopped me yet!
I think it's better to not try and make it look like your trying to run a number plate than not having one at all.
I did have a small front plate for a while but it was not the legal size so surely I could get in more trouble for not having the correct size plate rather than maybe saying that the full size one I had must have fallen off.
No matter which way you spin it, it's illegal to not have one!
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Ita a bit of a funny one as motorbikes dont need a front plate
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I've had my plate in my window for months and haven't been stopped once. You get the occasional funny look but you should be alright
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Why take it off in the first place? My front grille is smoothed off so my plate is attached with suction cups
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To be honest I've always thought how naff it looks whenever I see a car with the plate on the dash!
^^^^^^This.
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Ita a bit of a funny one as motorbikes dont need a front plate
Because where can you mount on on a motorcycle that can still be read and won't cause the rider to hit if they fall over the front or hit a pedestrian?
(that's why they were removed anyway as they were mounted perpendicular to the front mudguard previously in years gone by.
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Ita a bit of a funny one as motorbikes dont need a front plate
Because where can you mount on on a motorcycle that can still be read and won't cause the rider to hit if they fall over the front or hit a pedestrian?
(that's why they were removed anyway as they were mounted perpendicular to the front mudguard previously in years gone by.
Parallel
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Both start with P. :ashamed:
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Why take it off in the first place? My front grille is smoothed off so my plate is attached with suction cups
This guy knows.
People tend to forget the actual purpose of a number plate. It's for recognition.
If your car is stolen then the anpr readers on motorways will pick it up to give police an idea of the direction it's travelling.
Without it or with it on the dash it won't be read most the time.
I don't pull people when at work for it as it's dangerous for me to be slamming on my brakes and turning around, overtaking traffic just to pull you over and hear the excuse that the stickers dried up.
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People tend to forget the actual purpose of a number plate. It's for recognition.
If your car is stolen then the anpr readers on motorways will pick it up to give police an idea of the direction it's travelling.
Without it or with it on the dash it won't be read most the time.
I don't pull people when at work for it as it's dangerous for me to be slamming on my brakes and turning around, overtaking traffic just to pull you over and hear the excuse that the stickers dried up.
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Haha well I drove back from Corby and when I pulled into a service station my number plate had started to peal off! So I pulled it off for the rest of the trip home it's been on my dash for a couple days! Just wondering if its illegal or not!
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Haha there's so many opinions on this!!
Having no number plate is illegal, but I haven't one on mine for months and have never been pulled for it. As long as it's visible I'm sure it's fine. Al who commented is a policeman I believe. They won't bother turning round and pull you for it, but if you're parked they'll probably say something.
Having no front number plate does make the front end look a lot cleaner. I'm sure people
Are going to disagree with me but that's my opinion.
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The spirit of the law is that one needs to be displayed. The wording is old and no doubt the intention was that vehicles need to have one in a position fixed as per the makers plinth. Type approval says it all.
Al is spot on. There was a show GTI stolen recently that ran no front plate, i wonder if this was picked up by the cameras.
@dombacon if you were stopped, a commons sense approach probably would be taken. Ultimately it's a £100 ticket or court. In your case I don't think it would be in the public interest to prosecute, but of course I'm not the deciding people.
@George10 traffic police would though :p
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it's not illegal to remove it. what you do with your property is your business. but from what i understand of the law, it is illegal to drive on UK roads without it
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I had a jobsworth swerve do a u turn nearly. Cause a crash just to chase after me. And give me. My. Fine
It depends on the officer
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I had a jobsworth swerve do a u turn nearly. Cause a crash just to chase after me. And give me. My. Fine
It depends on the officer
Wow, great spelling there!
Really don't think you can call an officer a jobsworth for doing their job. If he caused an accident, then it wouldn't have happened if you had your plate on the front of the car which you are required to have by law!
Try not to play the victim next time.
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I had a jobsworth swerve do a u turn nearly. Cause a crash just to chase after me. And give me. My. Fine
It depends on the officer
Wow, great spelling there!
Really don't think you can call an officer a jobsworth for doing their job. If he caused an accident, then it wouldn't have happened if you had your plate on the front of the car which you are required to have by law!
Try not to play the victim next time.
Get over yourself
Don't act like your on some kind of high horse or someone superior
Always one forum warrior
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Always one forum warrior
And there's always a forum knob. :stupid:
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I had a jobsworth swerve do a u turn nearly. Cause a crash just to chase after me. And give me. My. Fine
It depends on the officer
Wow, great spelling there!
Really don't think you can call an officer a jobsworth for doing their job. If he caused an accident, then it wouldn't have happened if you had your plate on the front of the car which you are required to have by law!
Try not to play the victim next time.
Get over yourself
Don't act like your on some kind of high horse or someone superior
Always one forum warrior
I would say he is entitled to be superior in this case as he is actually a policeman!
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I had no plate on my Polo for 3 years and never got pulled for it, took the plate off my gti and got pulled within a few hours :grin:
The copper that pulled me (CID in an S3 Sportback with plate MX13 CYA :wink:) told me legally it has to be infront of the front axel and below the headlights
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I had a jobsworth swerve do a u turn nearly. Cause a crash just to chase after me. And give me. My. Fine
It depends on the officer
I wasn't making a statement about all police officers
Police man are all human beings and no one is perfect same way not all police are good at the way they deal with things or what they do
But if he took it personal I apologise it was not intended that way I don't stereotype police officers
Wow, great spelling there!
Really don't think you can call an officer a jobsworth for doing their job. If he caused an accident, then it wouldn't have happened if you had your plate on the front of the car which you are required to have by law!
Try not to play the victim next time.
Get over yourself
Don't act like your on some kind of high horse or someone superior
Always one forum warrior
I would say he is entitled to be superior in this case as he is actually a policeman!
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My LP story...for the 1st six years I never got pulled over, for no front LP displayed, except when going through one town full of Bored Officers. They pulled me over 6 times warning about the placement and I always gave good excuses and avoided a citation. One time I went through shortly after the fifth warning and was cited due to record of the previous warning in their system. I put my forward LP in the windowshield/screen connecting it with 4 tiny suction cups inside and they stopped pulling me over :happy2: I'm sure, as it is here, that it all depends on where you are and who may be on patrol :|
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My LP story...for the 1st six years I never got pulled over, for no front LP displayed, except when going through one town full of Bored Officers. They pulled me over 6 times warning about the placement and I always gave good excuses and avoided a citation. One time I went through shortly after the fifth warning and was cited due to record of the previous warning in their system. I put my forward LP in the windowshield/screen connecting it with 4 tiny suction cups inside and they stopped pulling me over :happy2: I'm sure, as it is here, that it all depends on where you are and who may be on patrol :|
I thought you didn't have front license plates in the U.S. Or does it vary from state to state?
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Varies between states in the US