MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: rich83 on November 09, 2013, 10:56:47 am
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Current situation... 311bhp.. and ~310lbfts.
Now.... to go stage 2 would cost ~£650. Ive read that stage 2 is a bit "meh" so is it worth it or not?
Rich
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personal opinion, no
spend the cash on something else bud,
stage one in these cars is more than ample , going stage two you also then need to think about clutches, lsd, brakes etc
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1+ :wink:
Cheaper than stage 2 and more bang per buck.
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1+ :wink:
Cheaper than stage 2 and more bang per buck.
So add fuel pump?
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1+ :wink:
Cheaper than stage 2 and more bang per buck.
So add fuel pump?
Stage 2 is loads better than 1, but adding the fuel pump and running a milder stage 2+ is even better.
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Get Niki to TIV map your car... 15-20bhp extra midrange over that Revo map you have.. :wink:
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Get Niki to TIV map your car... 15-20bhp extra midrange over that Revo map you have.. :wink:
No it wont... but thanks!! :happy2:
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Get Niki to TIV map your car... 15-20bhp extra midrange over that Revo map you have.. :wink:
No it wont... but thanks!! :happy2:
:signLOL:
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Stage 2 and 2+ just extend the torque peak further up the rev range.
Go 2 but possibly budget for a pump. :evilgrin:
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Just come to the next Leather Bottle meet and you will be getting yourself a blue motion instead and we can add another diary entry into the book of revalation as it becomes true
Hedge needs to prove this theory
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Just come to the next Leather Bottle meet and you will be getting yourself a blue motion instead and we can add another diary entry into the book of revalation as it becomes true
Hedge needs to prove this theory
Bluemotion??.... unlikely!
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Loved Stage 2 power just not the drone so had to go, I'm sure you can get a drone free experience :happy2:
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Loved Stage 2 power just not the drone so had to go, I'm sure you can get a drone free experience :happy2:
8)
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I went from 1 to 1+ with a BDM intake, to 2+ with just a pipewerx d/p, hpfp and s3 cooler added at first.
I have had no reliability issues with 2+..... accept.... clutch lasted less than a week..... and my gearbox went capput although there did not seem to be any reason to blame the 2+ tune on it maybe was just a weakpoint?
you already have big brakes dont you?
stage 2+ is great i would not bother with stage 2
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Loved Stage 2 power just not the drone so had to go, I'm sure you can get a drone free experience :happy2:
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Pipewerx DP to OEM cat back :wink:
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Full res Milltek doesn't drone. :happy2:
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Current situation... 311bhp.. and ~310lbfts.
Now.... to go stage 2 would cost ~£650. Ive read that stage 2 is a bit "meh" so is it worth it or not?
Rich
Are you sure it costs that much! :popcornsoda:
Your mad not to consider what Niki might offer you.
Whether it makes or doesn't make 20bhp over Revo, and nobody can dispute it, is that niki's TIV setup will be a much faster car on the road then any Revo tuned car at the same stage. Figures mean nothing unless your car can put that amount of power down without other aids.
Whether you choose to except my opinion makes no difference to me, but you really should do it and at least ask Niki what he could offer you.
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Current situation... 311bhp.. and ~310lbfts.
Now.... to go stage 2 would cost ~£650. Ive read that stage 2 is a bit "meh" so is it worth it or not?
Rich
Are you sure it costs that much! :popcornsoda:
Your mad not to consider what Niki might offer you.
Whether it makes or doesn't make 20bhp over Revo, and nobody can dispute it, is that niki's TIV setup will be a much faster car on the road then any Revo tuned car at the same stage. Figures mean nothing unless you car can put that am,punt of power down without other aids.
Whether you choose to except my opinion makes no difference to me, but you really should do it and at least ask Niki what he could offer you.
Yes it would be about that Steve... 525 for DP 200cell.. and map.
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Current situation... 311bhp.. and ~310lbfts.
Now.... to go stage 2 would cost ~£650. Ive read that stage 2 is a bit "meh" so is it worth it or not?
Rich
Are you sure it costs that much! :popcornsoda:
Your mad not to consider what Niki might offer you.
Whether it makes or doesn't make 20bhp over Revo, and nobody can dispute it, is that niki's TIV setup will be a much faster car on the road then any Revo tuned car at the same stage. Figures mean nothing unless you car can put that am,punt of power down without other aids.
Whether you choose to except my opinion makes no difference to me, but you really should do it and at least ask Niki what he could offer you.
Yes it would be about that Steve... 525 for DP 200cell.. and map.
Keep your eye out for a 2nd hand down pipe if cost is the issue. I payed £200 for my milltek DP
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Did it break? :signLOL:
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Did it break? :signLOL:
No, JKM and Milltek Customer services made it 100% .40k later and it's still faultless :smiley:
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Get Niki to TIV map your car... 15-20bhp extra midrange over that Revo map you have.. :wink:
No it wont... but thanks!! :happy2:
:signLOL: :signLOL:
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You have some very decent numbers with your REVO Stage 1 map. IMHO (and with what little you'll gain) unless your adding a better pump and cooler, after the new downpipe, I'd stay where you are.
:happy2:
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-Golf-Gti-Cat-Catalyst-Converter-Down-Pipe-Turbo-Mk5-2-0-Audi-A3-Genuine-Seat-/190915855395?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2c7378c423 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-Golf-Gti-Cat-Catalyst-Converter-Down-Pipe-Turbo-Mk5-2-0-Audi-A3-Genuine-Seat-/190915855395?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2c7378c423) buy that and remove both cat materials
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There are plenty of decent exhaust manufacturers that could make a decent DP for a few hundred £'s.
You know what Niki can do with your engine, but I'm guessing Revo 1 -2 is about £50?
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... REVO stage 1-2 is 60 quid
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... REVO stage 1-2 is 60 quid
Ah not far off. Makes sense to stick with them then :happy2:
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Stay where you are whilst saving for the hardware for 2+ Rich
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you are keepinmg your car long term.
you dont want to sell it on in 5-10 years time not having known what stg2+ was like.
if after doing 20,000 miles you regret it and feel that you cant use it then just put the car back to stg1 and sell on the hpfp,intercooler,cai,tbe and if you have added anything like lsd, suspension, brakes then they will still be handy at stg 1
my dilemma has been somewhat different to yours - stay at stg 2+ or go Loba but my issue if whether i will be able to keep the Eddie as long as you plan to with family expanding have to look at estate options :happy2:
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Yeah Ill be keeping her for as long as I can. Ive driven two stage 2+ ED30s... very fast! :driver:
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Upgrade to Supperchips like me, i haz all the boostings... :grin:
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Yeah Ill be keeping her for as long as I can. Ive driven two stage 2+ ED30s... very fast! :driver:
once rolling very, very fast but tbh i think if you want to get the most out of one you would need to upgrade the Goodyear Eagle that I know you, and everyone rates highly. They are fine for Stage 2, certainly on a ko3 as RR can attest, but at 2+ on the KO4 you need all the help you can get from the rubber
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Definitely stage 1+.
All the midrange benefit of stage 2+ but with none of the additional noise. Plus the gaisn from 1+ will be in the everyday rpm bands so you will always notice it. The exhaust beneifts higher up the rev band.
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Upgrade to Supperchips like me, i haz all the boostings... :grin:
:signLOL:
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but at 2+ on the KO4 you need all the help you can get from the rubber
:happy2: I'll second that
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Definitely stage 1+.
All the midrange benefit of stage 2+ but with none of the additional noise. Plus the gaisn from 1+ will be in the everyday rpm bands so you will always notice it. The exhaust beneifts higher up the rev band.
Any rolling road data for stage 1+? Hoe do you go about setting up the stage 1 Revo ?
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Definitely stage 1+.
All the midrange benefit of stage 2+ but with none of the additional noise. Plus the gaisn from 1+ will be in the everyday rpm bands so you will always notice it. The exhaust beneifts higher up the rev band.
Any rolling road data for stage 1+? Hoe do you go about setting up the stage 1 Revo ?
just fit a decent cai - itg/revo and you dont need to adjust your settings but will be a lot more aggressive - especially on cold, winter mornings like we are getting you will notice the difference
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Got evoms already.
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Got evoms already.
right, well in that case you are already at 1+ so to go to 1 3/4 you just need a pipewerx/bcs downpipe mated to your oem catback but if you going to pu the downpipe on you may as well pay the £60.00 for the Revo 2 map then see how you like it after 5,000 miles.
if you do then you can add intercooler (THS), hpfp (loba), rs4 fprv, full tbe (depends what part of country you are in as you might not want to drive to have bcs/pipewerx fitted so milltek would probably get your hard earned?)
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Definitely stage 1+.
All the midrange benefit of stage 2+ but with none of the additional noise. Plus the gaisn from 1+ will be in the everyday rpm bands so you will always notice it. The exhaust beneifts higher up the rev band.
Any rolling road data for stage 1+? Hoe do you go about setting up the stage 1 Revo ?
No idea with two but APR and a few others like RTec have special maps for setup ready to go. I guess with revo you would just adjust the settings but I'd wager it wouldn't be as good as a map so up from the outset for srsge 1+.
AndrwJB ran a stage 1+ stop before going the full hog
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Got evoms already.
right, well in that case you are already at 1+ so to go to 1 3/4 you just need a pipewerx/bcs downpipe mated to your oem catback but if you going to pu the downpipe on you may as well pay the £60.00 for the Revo 2 map then see how you like it after 5,000 miles.
if you do then you can add intercooler (THS), hpfp (loba), rs4 fprv, full tbe (depends what part of country you are in as you might not want to drive to have bcs/pipewerx fitted so milltek would probably get your hard earned?)
Bcs ship exhausts so you don't need to travel up there.
Only APR have an off the shelf 1+ file. Adding a pump to a Revo file won't make much difference.