MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: clubsport on November 13, 2013, 09:23:35 pm
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As the Gti mk6 forum seems to be quiet.
I wondered if anyone on here with mk5 experience had tried the mk 6 Gti.
I think I like the interior and the fact it has a chain and not a cambelt.
Any thoughts?
Cheers.
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After 2 mk5 gti's I have to say I love my mk6, partly due to the fact it's really a mk5 under the skin so feels familiar and just as good to drive as my Mk5s albeit with a sharper feel in general and imo a definite step up in quality, certainly in the interior :smiley:
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A mate of mine has one. It is a nice place to be alright, it's (I suppose obviously) less dated than the mk5. However when you're 'on it' on a B road it wouldn't matter if you were in a mk5 or a mk6.
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The one thing which puts me off about the mk6 gti is the chain.
I have heard about a few of them slipping and a new engine is needed. Not good out of warranty!
I almost bought a ROC tsi but thats what put me off tbh! I am probably going to wait for the ed35 to come down in price, tfsi engine again.
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As the Gti mk6 forum seems to be quiet.
I wondered if anyone on here with mk5 experience had tried the mk 6 Gti.
I think I like the interior and the fact it has a chain and not a cambelt.
Any thoughts?
Cheers.
Considering the mk6 has been out since 2009 I think there's a fair chance there's a large amount of us have tried one!!
I've had two now. Both were faultless.
I also had two mk5s.
Some features I preferred on the mk5 and some on the mk6. The interior and engine deffo seemed better in the mk6 but I missed the blue dials (though they do seem dated now).
The mk7 is better than both!!!
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The one thing which puts me off about the mk6 gti is the chain.
I have heard about a few of them slipping and a new engine is needed. Not good out of warranty!
I almost bought a ROC tsi but thats what put me off tbh! I am probably going to wait for the ed35 to come down in price, tfsi engine again.
I thought chains were always better as they lasted longer?
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My friend bought a mk6 and the chain slipped after a couple of weeks and wrecked the engine. It's been 6 months and vw have finally fixed it. Think they had to pay £700 and vw covered the rest but it's been a long fight
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It's not the timing chain itself that causes the issue.
From what I've read it is the chain tensioner that fails and it fails at shutdown - as the oil pressure drops the tensioner falls back on a ratchet to keep the tension on the chain. If the ratchet fails the chain doesn't tension sufficiently and the next time you start the car the chain slips due to lack of tension on the chain. As the oil pressure builds the chain becomes tensioned normally, but a couple of teeth out. The ecu reads this, retimes the cams and your nightmare begins.
I wouldn't be put off buying a mk6 entirely though. I would assume if you fitted the latest revision tensioner that the chances of this happening would be much reduced.
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Tks for your thoughts.
Interesting on the chain tensioner issue, I hadn't realised that was such a potential issue.
This doesn't seem to get the same level of internet scare mongering as early Porsche water cooled engines for example. Did VW revise the tensioner at any point in the models life?
Beezer diesel, tks I appreciate people will have tried the mark 6, hence my question, there doesn't seem much coverage on the mk6 forum or on here if you run a search.
Maybe mk6 owners have difficulty expressing their thoughts in words or are just arrogant...sounds ideal! :smiley:
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They have updated the tensioner twice since 2009 and they have used the same design on the MK7, so they must be happy with their latest revision
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I have a mk6 R, which is the best of both worlds.. a mk5 engine with a mk6 interior :happy2:
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If you think of the mk6 GTI as a MK5 with a nicer interior, proper colour coding outside, no stupid cam follower, a fuel pump that can fuel a K04 upgrade and no cambelt replacements every 4 years and to top it off - better fuel economy :happy2:
Putting the chain issues aside on the earlier models, it sounds like the perfect car for people of this forum. Its resolved all the things people disliked about the mk5 :laugh:
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If you think of the mk6 GTI as a MK5 with a nicer interior, proper colour coding outside, no stupid cam follower, a fuel pump that can fuel a K04 upgrade and no cambelt replacements every 4 years and to top it off - better fuel economy :happy2:
Putting the chain issues aside on the earlier models, it sounds like the perfect car for people of this forum. Its resolved all the things people disliked about the mk5 :laugh:
Couldn't have put it better !!! - Although I have a 59 plate MK6 and counting the days till my engine goes boom... :scared: :scared: :scared:
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Does it still rot? Arches, sills, boot, corroson: wheels etc.
Have the chain issues been fully resolved? Someone said the Mk7 is using a belt :surprised:
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given forum culture you always here about the ones that have failed and no doubt there are a few thousand out there with no issues, always seem to here about the GTI failures but not much on the Rocco front
as a precaution the latest revision can be installed and that i what i would have a decent independent do to future proof for now and future owners
my wife says she feels the biggest difference is the interior on the mk6 and i would have to agree
both great cars in my opinion
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Tks for your thoughts.
Interesting on the chain tensioner issue, I hadn't realised that was such a potential issue.
This doesn't seem to get the same level of internet scare mongering as early Porsche water cooled engines for example. Did VW revise the tensioner at any point in the models life?
Beezer diesel, tks I appreciate people will have tried the mark 6, hence my question, there doesn't seem much coverage on the mk6 forum or on here if you run a search.
Maybe mk6 owners have difficulty expressing their thoughts in words or are just arrogant...sounds ideal! :smiley:
Arrogant!? Bit harsh I'd say.
I traded my mk5 for a mk6 after 3 years with the mk5 and have been pleased with my decision, the time was right for me my mk5 was 6 years old and I swapped it for a year old mk6, I understand the criticism of it being a mk5.5 but for me its builds on the good points of the mk5 and updates the package.
Look at it this way by just tweaking the mk6 over the mk5 it must have helped keep the values of the mk5 up.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fz331%2Fphil1975%2Fc1fb9148-0534-4bd5-b08c-cb84f81e265a_zps5bc44947.jpg&hash=097dbf127854324a0aa7eea99383f5fbac92d45e)
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Beezer diesel, tks I appreciate people will have tried the mark 6, hence my question, there doesn't seem much coverage on the mk6 forum or on here if you run a search.
Maybe mk6 owners have difficulty expressing their thoughts in words or are just arrogant...sounds ideal! :smiley:
I definitely fall into the latter category!
Despite Steve P's best efforts (and I think I was probably one of the main posters on the mk6 forum when I had my first one and there was a lot of retro fit action going on) the mk6 forum never really took off on here. Most of the mk6 action was over on golfgtiforum.co.uk where I'm still active on and off but not in the mk6 section any more!! (different user name on there).
The reason there's not a lot of mk6 replies to this thread is also down to the fact you've buried it in the mk5 General area instead of the chat section where it would be spotted more easily by mk6 owners as once you've moved on from one model you eventually drift away from the sections and visit certain parts less frequently as your experience becomes a bit 'dated' and the world moves on.
For example I sold my last mk5 over four years ago and there's little I can offer in terms of advice now as the cars have aged a fair bit since I had mine. So I visit this part of the forum very infrequently.
Snoopy on here is a moderator in the other forum I mentioned and is very familiar with the cam chain issues.
I'm not sure it's endemic to mk6's and their close relatives that use the same engines but it's not uncommon and as Andy Wigit says, there are modified parts available if your car is out of warranty.
Some (me included) prefer the smaller IHI turbo'd normal mk6 and some love the K04 ED35. Depends on your driving style.
One needs a cam belt change every 4 or 5 years and one was supposed to navigate round that problem but was fitted with a duff tensioner it seems!!!! Que sera sera!!!
There are lots of benefits of the mk6 over the mk5. As this is a general mk5 forum most on here will say they prefer the looks of the mk5 but maybe that's more to do with the mk5 being their main focus. I think the mk6 still looks quite up to date and in certain colours and in certain lights it still looks quite futuristic.
The biggest game changer with the mk6 was the electronics and a lot of us had lots of fun in the early days seeing what we could and couldn't retrofit for far less money than the factory were charging for optional extras. With the mk7 the electronics have moved significantly on again and it seems that even the ECU is proving a headache for the remappers to crack...
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I had an ed 30 a few years ago now have a mk6 gti dsg , i think the mk6 feels sharper all round , the inside is nicer but not sure on quality i looked at loads with worn interiors with not many miles on
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As previously mentioned most MK6 owners seem to be on Golf Gti Forum including myself.
I recently suffered the dreaded Tensioner failure which cost me £670 by the end of it (No warranty), all the info you need on this fault is over on the MK6 section.
I would try and get as late a model as you can or find a car with FVWSH or decent warranty and maintain either.
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Guys thank you very much for your responses and heads up on the timing chain issue highlighted on golfgtiforum.
That has thrown a real spanner in the works for me, I thought the mk6 would solve my dislike of the built in manufacturers service tax that is the cambelt.
I am shocked at how VW are effectively chancing the owners luck on mk6 engine issues with an apparent design fault. I really would not respond well to VW charging me to strip a broken engine under these circumstances.
So a mk5 Ed30 may make the most sense, I can't really justify an Ed35 for a car I will rarely drive.
Cheers.