MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Eddie07 on December 15, 2013, 10:22:09 pm
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...so here's the dilema, it's a good one I appreciate.
I currently have an edition 30. Love it...but it needs work to get it to where it needs to be. I can thank Jason in north wales for showing me his K1 stage2+.
The shopping list is on the verge of ridiculous for everything that needs to be done. ARB's, Coilovers, Engine Mounts, TBE, Brembo big brake kit....the list goes on. Was out with a couple of friends this evening in a C63 AMG. Now whilst I have no desire to own a merc, can use a pool car at work and drive a c350 which is utterly phenomenal for that, it got me thinking.
I haven't started modding yet and my car will be pushing 7 years old with just over 100k on the clock in a couple of months :scared: :scared: :scared:..and no matter how much I modd it, it will always be a mk5 golf, special, but no top end motor - I fully expect a barrage of abuse from some people of this comment but I'm sure you can see the under lying fact.
SO my options, mod my car, buy a golf r and do the same, or buy a ttrs and eventually do the same.
The mrs has given me the green light to do what I want as shes this as my vice for working so hard. I'm really excited to mod but now i have the option to buy another car I'm thinking is it better to do that??
Anyone with some experience or knows someone who sold up and moved on would be greatly appreciated I find myself looking to the forum for answers lol
(PS I did use the search button but couldnt find anything of relevance)
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You should test drive the options and decide from there.
That is your only option. Peoples opnions should not matter really as it's your own money you're spending. Take 10 people who have owned all 3 and they will all have their own opinions.
Gonna probs get hated for saying that but it's the truth you need to go and think about what you want to do and which car you prefer. Dealers will let you test drive anything providing you can prove you're in a position to buy.
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Out of the three options, I'd say TTRS. You would have to spend a hell of a lot of money on a GolfR or your GTI to get it as quick as a mapped TTRS.
Other than that they are all basically the same sh*t in a different frock.
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I appreciate both points of view...the Golf R is 4wd and ttrs is legendary 2.5 5 cylinder but against a modded stage2+ with quiffe lsd there wont be much keeping up with an Eddie 30 at that spec either.
performance wise, a map FMIC and TBE 450hp from a TTRS?? erm....THATS QUICK!
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Yeap, if you can afford one, a TTRS IMO. Awesome cars even in standard guise with the bonus of a better soundtrack. Have a look at Poverty's build thread, should give you some inspiration and a nudge in that direction.
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As mentioned the ttrs is top dog-engine, brakes, quattro, so if performance is your priority you have to go down this route with your 3 options. If you need 4 doors and a boot you could go RS3/4.
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Ran the figures on a TTRS, not sure I fancy losing 10k in deposit to make the figures more appealing.
So its down to 2 I guess...are the golf R and edition 30 principally the same engine?
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Ran the figures on a TTRS, not sure I fancy losing 10k in deposit to make the figures more appealing.
So its down to 2 I guess...are the golf R and edition 30 principally the same engine?
Yes,it's the same engine mate.....
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Go for the Golf R then, it's heavier but you won't have to put up with the limitations of FWD particularly if your planning on extra power.
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Also don't forget that by the time you have finished modding the ED30 it will be closer to 8 years old and still over 100k miles. By that time, you will need to more updating of components that are reaching the end of their lives. The golf r will still only be a few years old at most
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Also don't forget that by the time you have finished modding the ED30 it will be closer to 8 years old and still over 100k miles. By that time, you will need to more updating of components that are reaching the end of their lives. The golf r will still only be a few years old at most
The money saved buying an Edition 30 would far outweigh the financial outlay in any possible replacement parts cost.
Engines are not fickle things they will happily run tuned for tens of thousands of miles.. I had 150k on my old 1.9 TDI with 115% extra power over standard, mechanically it had no problems, provided the TFSI lumps are serviced correctly I see no reason why they would struggle with the similar sort of mileage.
Golf R is "rarer" shall we say, a bit more exclusive (as ultimately it's a Mk6 and the Edition 30 is still a Mk5 so much more common) and has the Haldex of course which for pure numbers on the strip is what's important but there's more to life than numbers.
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Why don't you modify the edition 30 ? Then in a couple of years take the mods off and put them on a golf R ? Quite a few bits will fit ?
As stated they are the same engine and once your eddy is up and dancing with no traction issues it will pull harder than the R
I think that's what I'm going to do when I fancy a change, remove my mods and put them on to a golf R.
Remember you can always remove your modifications and sell them one you are done with the car so it's not dead money.
You are completely right though it is hard to justify spending 5k on a car that's only probably worth about 7k, but check the forums for second hand parts and lay back in the knowledge that you should beable to take chunks out of most performance cars on the road with your little golf - there's nothing better than than someone in high end car with his mates in tow glancing in the rear view mirror and trying to drop you only to look in the rear view mirror 5 minutes later to see you hanging off his bumper with ease then pumping it past them on the dual carriage way after the next roundabout - giving them the obligatory eyebrow nod as if to say your porsche must be down at least 80bhp mate, my car is standard !
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Test drive them both. Also work out what it's going to cost you to do it all. Are you paying cash/finance etc, work out your monies.
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It's a good point regarding the mods and resale value, if you choose wisely I doubt you would lose much if at all in some cases.
Consumables aside, I buy pretty much exclusively second hand parts and haven't had to re-buy yet; I do tend to buy ones with either a little bit of warranty or very good condition. :happy2:
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Why don't you modify the edition 30 ? Then in a couple of years take the mods off and put them on a golf R ? Quite a few bits will fit ?
As stated they are the same engine and once your eddy is up and dancing with no traction issues it will pull harder than the R
I think that's what I'm going to do when I fancy a change, remove my mods and put them on to a golf R.
Remember you can always remove your modifications and sell them one you are done with the car so it's not dead money.
You are completely right though it is hard to justify spending 5k on a car that's only probably worth about 7k, but check the forums for second hand parts and lay back in the knowledge that you should beable to take chunks out of most performance cars on the road with your little golf - there's nothing better than than someone in high end car with his mates in tow glancing in the rear view mirror and trying to drop you only to look in the rear view mirror 5 minutes later to see you hanging off his bumper with ease then pumping it past them on the dual carriage way after the next roundabout - giving them the obligatory eyebrow nod as if to say your porsche must be down at least 80bhp mate, my car is standard !
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+2.....mod the ed30,then after a few years strip the car bk to standard & sell the ed30...some of the parts will go on the R,so swap them over & sell the remaining parts
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I appreciate both points of view...the Golf R is 4wd and ttrs is legendary 2.5 5 cylinder but against a modded stage2+ with quiffe lsd there wont be much keeping up with an Eddie 30 at that spec either.
performance wise, a map FMIC and TBE 450hp from a TTRS?? erm....THATS QUICK!
TTRS will still be streets ahead 0-60 even without a Map I ran Hurdy's old Edition 30 (admittedly only at Stage 1) with the quiffe Dif and even in perfect Condition's getting power down is an art whereas the TT can fly of the line what ever the conditions I have a TT-RS S-Tronic Plus at the moment and that's a Sub 4 Second 0-60 straight out the Box.
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I appreciate both points of view...the Golf R is 4wd and ttrs is legendary 2.5 5 cylinder but against a modded stage2+ with quiffe lsd there wont be much keeping up with an Eddie 30 at that spec either.
performance wise, a map FMIC and TBE 450hp from a TTRS?? erm....THATS QUICK!
TTRS will still be streets ahead 0-60 even without a Map I ran Hurdy's old Edition 30 (admittedly only at Stage 1) with the quiffe Dif and even in perfect Condition's getting power down is an art whereas the TT can fly of the line what ever the conditions I have a TT-RS S-Tronic Plus at the moment and that's a Sub 4 Second 0-60 straight out the Box.
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Standard ttrs or rs3 will totally blast a modded ed30 into the weeds
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Thanks for all the comments and suggestions. I went down to Awesome in Eccles today to have a conversation face to face with some of the guys there. I am not overly convinced that the Golf R is worth the extra premium as said by a previous post.
This is further supported that went to Harrogate to have a look at a Golf R and it just didnt feel special enough to command the price. Considering that thousands are going to spent on it after its been paid for, just doesnt seem worth it...at the moment.
On the way back went to have a look at TT Black Edition at stockport Audi, (there wasnt a TTRS within range given time) just for sizes etc - cant get the kids seats in the back without having knees IN the steering wheel and once prams in (stupidly expensive slim thing she duped me into buying lol) nothing else can get in the boot.
so after today I am SERIOUS leaning to the idea of modding my edition 30 and then maybe transferring the various bits no bobs if I feel its right couple years down the line.
Theres one final question would like help with...I own my edition 30...is it worth financing this Golf R? I'm not fond on modding a car I dont actually own but is that normal??
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I appreciate both points of view...the Golf R is 4wd and ttrs is legendary 2.5 5 cylinder but against a modded stage2+ with quiffe lsd there wont be much keeping up with an Eddie 30 at that spec either.
performance wise, a map FMIC and TBE 450hp from a TTRS?? erm....THATS QUICK!
TTRS will still be streets ahead 0-60 even without a Map I ran Hurdy's old Edition 30 (admittedly only at Stage 1) with the quiffe Dif and even in perfect Condition's getting power down is an art whereas the TT can fly of the line what ever the conditions I have a TT-RS S-Tronic Plus at the moment and that's a Sub 4 Second 0-60 straight out the Box.
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Standard ttrs or rs3 will totally blast a modded ed30 into the weeds
Ever driven an Rs3?
Feels totally numb and disconnected. Ed30, even a GTI.. a much better drivers car
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I appreciate both points of view...the Golf R is 4wd and ttrs is legendary 2.5 5 cylinder but against a modded stage2+ with quiffe lsd there wont be much keeping up with an Eddie 30 at that spec either.
performance wise, a map FMIC and TBE 450hp from a TTRS?? erm....THATS QUICK!
TTRS will still be streets ahead 0-60 even without a Map I ran Hurdy's old Edition 30 (admittedly only at Stage 1) with the quiffe Dif and even in perfect Condition's getting power down is an art whereas the TT can fly of the line what ever the conditions I have a TT-RS S-Tronic Plus at the moment and that's a Sub 4 Second 0-60 straight out the Box.
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Standard ttrs or rs3 will totally blast a modded ed30 into the weeds
Ever driven an Rs3?
Feels totally numb and disconnected. Ed30, even a GTI.. a much better drivers car
Have you driven one properly, and I don't mean a two minute test drive?
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30 minute test drive
And if by proper you mean 145 on a mates driveway then yes. :ashamed:
It's quick, blindingly so. But it feels very very front heavy and goes to understeer quite quickly (more quickly than you'd like) when pushed. The steering is quite direct but you never really know what's going on.
I'd say my GTI is less understeery and more fun to drive, with better feedback through the wheel. The Mk7 GTI was a much nicer car than either, by far one of the best cars I've driven!
Not driven an ED30 but it's just a slightly faster GTI at the end of the day.
That's my opinion others may disagree
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30 minute test drive
And if by proper you mean 145 on a mates driveway then yes. :ashamed:
It's quick, blindingly so. But it feels very very front heavy and goes to understeer quite quickly (more quickly than you'd like) when pushed. The steering is quite direct but you never really know what's going on.
I'd say my GTI is less understeery and more fun to drive, with better feedback through the wheel. The Mk7 GTI was a much nicer car than either, by far one of the best cars I've driven!
Not driven an ED30 but it's just a slightly faster GTI at the end of the day.
That's my opinion others may disagree
My wife has one, and trust me a 1/2 hour test drive is not enough to appreciate the car :happy2: Everytime I drive it, I am more and more impressed, and is the best all-round car we've owned, and we've had a few.......
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Oh I'm agreeing with you as an all round, every day fast performance hatchback thingy it's probably difficult to beat but as a DRIVERS car (not that you don't drive a non-drivers car?? :driver:) there are better and the ED30 would be better to mod and better for fun.
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My wife has one, and trust me a 1/2 hour test drive is not enough to appreciate the car :happy2: Everytime I drive it, I am more and more impressed, and is the best all-round car we've owned, and we've had a few.......
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Oh I'm agreeing with you as an all round, every day fast performance hatchback thingy it's probably difficult to beat but as a DRIVERS car (not that you don't drive a non-drivers car?? :driver:) there are better and the ED30 would be better to mod and better for fun.
Really?? Are you sure about your last statement .......trust me IF I wanted to mod the RS, and I don't, stage one takes it to 400bhp, that's before changing the rear ARB and putting better tyres on. Doesn't sound like much fun to me :smiley:
Anyway each to their own. Enjoy your diseasal :driver:
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There's more to life than power.
I would bet a GT86 is more "fun". Anyone can make a car really fast in a straight line. Rear anti roll bar won't account for the heavy engine WAY INFRONT of the front axle, which is what causes the understeer, combined with a pretty equal balance 4wd system.
I don't have a diesel anymore :signLOL: :signLOL: but that was more fun than the RS3 as well, and was more "fun" than my GTI as too. 32psi of boost thank you! :drool:
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Having spoke to John at Awesome (and the asian dude too, cant think of his name or if he gave it), Pete at Prosport (revo) and BCS in St Helens I'm keeping the edition 30 and going nuts on it in January.
Still undecided what avenue to go down, but I know the numbers are going to be plus 300.
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Well a map is 300 so anything else will be more lol. Sounds good :happy2:
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Harrogate VW? The Blue Golf R with recaro seats?
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Was in Hurdys car today, honestly if you've got the cash to get the golf R, then do it and stick a loba 400 on it... wow seriously quick car and a lot of fun, I was laughing my arse off the whole time!!!
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Was in Hurdys car today, honestly if you've got the cash to get the golf R, then do it and stick a loba 400 on it... wow seriously quick car and a lot of fun, I was laughing my arse off the whole time!!!
Don't forget he's got a big list off hardware on his car & also running Wmi too
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Was in Hurdys car today, honestly if you've got the cash to get the golf R, then do it and stick a loba 400 on it... wow seriously quick car and a lot of fun, I was laughing my arse off the whole time!!!
Don't forget he's got a big list off hardware on his car & also running Wmi too
whats a loba???? And WMI????
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Was in Hurdys car today, honestly if you've got the cash to get the golf R, then do it and stick a loba 400 on it... wow seriously quick car and a lot of fun, I was laughing my arse off the whole time!!!
Don't forget he's got a big list off hardware on his car & also running Wmi too
whats a loba???? And WMI????
Loba is the company for the hybrid turbo (around £1200 to £1700) & Wmi is water meth injection(around £300-600)
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ok thank you...isnt Water Meth Injection bad for your engine?
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ok thank you...isnt Water Meth Injection bad for your engine?
Only if it stops working :signLOL:
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There's more to life than power.
I would bet a GT86 is more "fun". Anyone can make a car really fast in a straight line. Rear anti roll bar won't account for the heavy engine WAY INFRONT of the front axle, which is what causes the understeer, combined with a pretty equal balance 4wd system.
I don't have a diesel anymore :signLOL: :signLOL: but that was more fun than the RS3 as well, and was more "fun" than my GTI as too. 32psi of boost thank you! :drool:
Oh dear... :signLOL:
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ok thank you...isnt Water Meth Injection bad for your engine?
Actually cleans your inlet valves which get pretty gummed up on the TFSI thanks to a badly designed PCV system and direct injection
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good choice keeping the edition 30 imo
the ttrs are fast when tuned but a edition30 running stock power levels of a tt the ed30 is a fair bit quicker ive tested a few times.. and not everyone wants to mod such an expensive car as the tt?
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Was in Hurdys car today, honestly if you've got the cash to get the golf R, then do it and stick a loba 400 on it... wow seriously quick car and a lot of fun, I was laughing my arse off the whole time!!!
the loba turbo made much difference over your 2+ then?
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Was in Hurdys car today, honestly if you've got the cash to get the golf R, then do it and stick a loba 400 on it... wow seriously quick car and a lot of fun, I was laughing my arse off the whole time!!!
the loba turbo made much difference over your 2+ then?
The L0400 definitely makes a difference. Although mine will be having another turbo fitted in the new year. :happy2:
To the OP. The R is a solid car and as such there will still be a fair few knocking around in the coming years. I found that my ED30 was amazingly quick once up and running, traction at low speeds in the dry and anything up to 70mph :wink: in the wet and you struggle at stage2+ or beyond. The R is no featherweight, mine weighed in at 1489kg earlier this year, and that is with lighter wheels and no spare. A similar ED30 would weigh in at 120kg lighter due to the lack of a 4wd system. Driving wise I find the R at its current stage of tune (371awhp) handles beautifully and can easily handle more. A fwd ED30 with similar power....even with a diff, would still struggle to put down the power cleanly.
Summary is basically, anything up to 2 and the ED30 is a good option.
Anything over ( stage 2+ and beyond) and the edge goes in the R's favour.
The R will always be much quicker over a 1/4 mile than an ED30 with same mods and driver
The R will always be quicker around track with same mods and driver
The ED30 will be quicker once grip is established in the midrange at up to stage 2.
The R has a slightly better balance than the ED30 with same mods.
I loved my tuned ED30 and it was great on track, so whatever your decision is it will be the right one for you. :happy2:
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Was in Hurdys car today, honestly if you've got the cash to get the golf R, then do it and stick a loba 400 on it... wow seriously quick car and a lot of fun, I was laughing my arse off the whole time!!!
the loba turbo made much difference over your 2+ then?
The L0400 definitely makes a difference. Although mine will be having another turbo fitted in the new year. :happy2:
To the OP. The R is a solid car and as such there will still be a fair few knocking around in the coming years. I found that my ED30 was amazingly quick once up and running, traction at low speeds in the dry and anything up to 70mph :wink: in the wet and you struggle at stage2+ or beyond. The R is no featherweight, mine weighed in at 1489kg earlier this year, and that is with lighter wheels and no spare. A similar ED30 would weigh in at 120kg lighter due to the lack of a 4wd system. Driving wise I find the R at its current stage of tune (371awhp) handles beautifully and can easily handle more. A fwd ED30 with similar power....even with a diff, would still struggle to put down the power cleanly.
Summary is basically, anything up to 2 and the ED30 is a good option.
Anything over ( stage 2+ and beyond) and the edge goes in the R's favour.
The R will always be much quicker over a 1/4 mile than an ED30 with same mods and driver
The R will always be quicker around track with same mods and driver
The ED30 will be quicker once grip is established in the midrange at up to stage 2.
The R has a slightly better balance than the ED30 with same mods.
I loved my tuned ED30 and it was great on track, so whatever your decision is it will be the right one for you. :happy2:
Thanks, appreciate the above I drove one and whilst it is good, I just cant justify it in my head at the moment, taking money out of it. I havent got the best out of my car yet so why move on??
I've made my decision...Edition 30
I think my next question really is stage 2 or stage 2+. fuel pump and mapping is the only difference but theres no point having all the hoarses in the world and only being able to use 2 of them (ok not that few but you get the jist)
is it REALLY worth it? up to now only experienced a Leon K1 s2+ and my oh my. that literally took my breath away. but I wont be using that power 95% of the time so does it really matter? Do the components on s2+ stage to fade dramatically? I've read horror stories about cam followers going and petrol in oil...really?? i use the car everyday so dont it to start sitting in a garage 1 week out of 4.
Not sure if thats come across a personal or subjective question's but either way any thoughts and opinions are welcome....
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I know what you are saying, and great points above Hurdy, it's why I've come to the conclusion of going just Stage 2 on my Eddy. BCS Powervalve, intake and then map, (will map the DSG as well). It's lowered on springs, just going to add H&R ARBs and fully polybush it for now. Give that a whirl and if I'm happy with it then leave it, if not possibly upgrade mounts & coilovers.
But we shall see... :laugh: