MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: sixpot on September 19, 2009, 05:55:46 pm
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I recently came across one on the way to work, and decided to see what they went like, was quite surprised at how well my car fared up to it really, as was the BM driver!!
Turns out we both work in the same place so I had a chat to him about it, and its an SMG one with various power settings? or so he says.
They have really come down in price and I was thinking of getting one, so was just asking him about ownership experiences etc..
He said he was only in low power setting btw!
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Stunning car, always been a big fan of them...not had the pleasure of driving one nor do I know much about them. I would get onto a BMW forum and find out any known problems etc...
Lass opposite me has one, she certainly doesnt hang around in it :driver:
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^ I envy your housing arrangements ED30 if you live opposite a girl that drives an E46 M3!
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I expect he wasnt full power, they are 220bhp/ton so you would need around 300bhp to match it.
They are on my 'car to own' list. Im quite keen on getting one for a little bit until i can get either a range rover sport or RS4, think they should be depreciation free if you own it for about a year and get one well service, wont cost much to own!
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brilliant drivers car :happy2:
ran one for nearly 2 yrs before the ED30
the selector below the SMG gearlever is for speed of change not power settings btw, but Id go for a manual (unless you want the CSL :drool:)
346bhp , seamless delivery to redline , awesome sound , bullet proof if looked after.
running costs can smart a bit , but it is surprisingly easy on fuel
remapped ED30 is close but at higher speeds the M3 is faster, VERY different power delivery
one of my all time favs
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i had one a few months ago that was smg, it had a few mods on, was a amazing car really regretted selling it, my mate also had one in manual which i thought drove horrible compared to mine as the gearbox's feel really sloppy in them IMO and the throw is a bit long on the manual ones, if i was to have another on i would defo have the smg gear box again,
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dug out my review from my blog.......
TUESDAY, AUGUST 28, 2007
M3 E46 End of Term Review
Well here we go , an attempt to sum up this car.......
I have owned my (previous) M3 for 18 months , in that time going from 10,000 miles up to 42,000 miles.
A silver grey 04 plate.
I traded in a new Mini Cooper s (modified to 220bhp+) for this car.
Most of these were spent going up and down the motorway between Glasgow and Warrington (450 miles round trip) every weekend.
I regularly saw 32 mpg crusing @ 85 mph motorway, and 27 ish general travelling around.
PLUS POINTS (so many but heres a few!
Very understated looks , only those in the know really notice.
The 'fat' rear track. The twin pipes , BMW got the subtle look just right on the E46 M3 imho.
Fuel economy! ok you dont buy one of these cars for this , but its a huge bonus,
32mpg on the motorway just insane for a 340bhp car.
Can you name another car with this much power that does that?
Practicality , huge boot yet porsche pace. Only issue is making sure you dont damage the lovely nappa leather.
Performance (surprise!), can drive slowly , amazing tractability , or race car pace when reqd
The engine! rpm range is truly brill , workable pull from 2k to 8k.
No more getting caught passing cars having to change gear , 3rd just supreme.
Rate of acceleration above 100mph+ to limiter (private test track of course).
M3 just excels at the point your licence goes out the window.
Never really drove with sport button on , preferred more progressive throttle control
The exhaust noise with rear windows open and a full 7900rpm on the clock :-)
The rasp when its cold (ok no revs allowed but you can still hear it at 2k rpm)
Those polished alloys , a brilliant contrast to a subtle body (polished alloy)
seats are supreme, hold you well , remember settings. I dont think my back ever hurt.
grip (with the right tyres GSD3 F1), feel throughout the car when pushing on , t/c rarely intervenes in the dry.
Interferes too abruptly in the wet , smoother in the wet with it off
Xenon lights :-), std equipment but a must have for any car these days
And the sheer driving 'experience' , no drive was just a trip , every journey was a joy.
Rain , Sleet , Snow (caught around Birmingham in the big snow!),
this performance machine instils total confidence in ALL conditions.
I went from 220bhp FWD to 340bhp RWD and although you do need to respect an M3 , I found the transition very easy
MINUS POINTS
The way they all seem to drive like 'dogs' from cold lol
Costs to keep it in correct 'manner' are significant , but not excessive.
'Acoustic feedback' from the transmission ! I remember the first time I reversed into a parking space and thought the whole diff had destroyed itself!
Most seem to do it , but its easy to drive 'around' it. But I do feel it could have been a bit better.
Clutch is a pain , I think a CDV delete would sort this out. 1st to 2nd was always a excercise in 'patience'
(in fact the manual version drives better when you 'push' on a bit and quicken the pace)
polished alloys , one scrape and ... refurb still not the OE finish.
interior very germanic, to the point of it being 'unexciting', maybe a bit more special (dare I say like the RS4 !)
Engine sounds like its had it, lots of noise lol
Brakes can be made to fade even on road. Never actually lost pedal totally though.
Insurance costs @ Group20 are a serious , but are probably the main reason why M3 are still kept in a specialist market . Although it seems this is now changing.
std fit audio is cr*p beyond belief for a car of this value!
Warranty costs.
Understeer wasnt bad , but I felt could be improved , and some time at Thorneys would soon sort that.
(I have outlined some negatives , but really most of them are just being very picky :-) )
My favourite moment was racing a couple of motorbikes around the roads around the Carbeth Inn nr Glasgow.
(as a former motorbike owner I know these roads :-) ), really good fun and I kept up better than I thought. I even think the bikers were impressed :grinteeth:
The M3 gets better the harder you push it. Rear squats down , tyres dig in , and the package just comes together........
Regrets? none :-) , apart from the fact i wish I had done a track day , but the poor brakes just put me off enough to never do it.
To any new M3 owners, heres some 'suggestions' :
1. Check your tyre pressures
2. Check the oil (regularly!), it may not use it (mine didnt) but just in case...
3. Use good quality tyres (PS2 or GSD3F1)
4. Use 97+RON fuel. For me the M3 felt flat on normal fuel.
5. A noisy engine is just the way it is ;-), dont worry just enjoy it :-)
6. Acoustic feedback is a way of life , just drive around it.
7. Keep up to date on bm3w , its a wealth of knowledge that often pust your mind at rest.
8. Enjoy it and make sure once its warm you exercise the full rev range, inc the brakes. M3 's are meant to be driven and hard (in the right sense)
Will I get one again? Yes I hope so, ideally a CSL in years to come.
Equivalent cars in the market today? none
Nothing matches the sheer all round ability of the M3 E46.
Its all cars to all people.
Sure performance benchmarks have moved on (the M3 isnt as invincible as we would all hope against many of todays hot hatches!)
Thats it my homage , to a car I considered a dream as I was growing up , but now Ive had a chance to enjoy.
The greatest car I will ever own ? Probably :-)
The E46 M3 , what a car .............
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Very interesting read John. I've contemplated the M3 many times....
Haven't driven an E46 M3 in a good few years, and I have a feeling it will feel slow compared to my Golf. Perhaps I should get a drive in one next weekend.
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on a casual test drive it prob will feel slow vs the gti (the low down torque shove of the golfs is deceptive), but thats not the whole story.... (remember the M3 was a 45k car originally too not a GTI lol)
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Yeah exactly, the torque of the GTI will make the M3 feel a bit slow, but appreciated that the power delivery is so different. On my Lotus the power is only really there between 5-7.3K, but during that range it is manic and would cain the GTI.
Would you go back to an E46 M3 (normal, not CSL), after owning your ED30 and still be happy with the performance of the M3?
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definitely :happy2:
in some ways the linear delivery is easier to control and a much more rewarding drive , its top end BMW vs hot hatch lol
Just cost up all the factors , tyres , servicing , parts etc. They are well cheap now , but you'd need to select a 'good' one.
Plus remember an M3 is tuned to the max from OE , any tuning costs ££££££ and gains minimal (unless you supercharge)
so the easy GTI gains just arent there....
chalk and cheese really.
even the E92 M3 is nearly down to affordable pricing :surprised:
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m3 power delivery is completely different, They arent that fast though and a stage 2 plus k04 is quicker. M3 is the better overall car dynamically, whilst the k04 car is better economical and day to day.
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m3 power delivery is completely different, They arent that fast though and a stage 2 plus k04 is quicker. M3 is the better overall car dynamically, whilst the k04 car is better economical and day to day.
Modified vs standard is a moot argument though, you could just modify the other car and it would be quicker. Turbo/supercharge the M3 and it would beat the GTI/Leon, big turbo conversion the GTI/Leon and strip it and it would beat the M3....could go on and on!
Not everyone wants to have to modify there car, i dont. Buying a car that was made to do those speeds from new, with parts that will do it all day without failing is more important to me (apart from the early models dodgy SMG lol)
Swings and roundabouts really.
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looking a bit dated now, but still in a different league
if you can hook up all controls, power, handling i'm sure it's amazing, especially watching clips on topgear etc.
but servicing isn't cheap at all
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they also suffer from diff's going on the m3, sounds almost like the wheel is rubbing on the back, they are really good on petrol s well considering the size engine they have got, would say it was on par with a mk5 gti on petrol, i raced my mate in his s4 that was running 370bhp and he struggled to keep up with me at the time, the m3's are quick all the way through the rev range so they wouldn't feel slower than a golf!!!! mine was mapped with a few mods but the mods gave it about an extra 20-30bhp so wasnt a huge gain, simpson motorsport in lydney in gloucester do supercharger kits for them starting from about 4k i beleive, and that should see 400+bhp, they also do a 500bhp+ supercharger kit as well, they have a demo car down there that belongs to one of the guys in the workshop, they are the guys to take it to if u ever needed any work done to it, as they are one of the best bmw tuning companies around, they also do a lot of race car work, and they also have a ferrari f40 race car of there own that they race so have been around the racing industry a long time and know how best to set the m3's up
http://www.simpsonmotorsport.co.uk/default.asp?id=1&pid=1&name=Home
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they also suffer from diff's going on the m3, sounds almost like the wheel is rubbing on the back, they are really good on petrol s well considering the size engine they have got, would say it was on par with a mk5 gti on petrol, i raced my mate in his s4 that was running 370bhp and he struggled to keep up with me at the time, the m3's are quick all the way through the rev range so they wouldn't feel slower than a golf!!!! mine was mapped with a few mods but the mods gave it about an extra 20-30bhp so wasnt a huge gain, simpson motorsport in lydney in gloucester do supercharger kits for them starting from about 4k i beleive, and that should see 400+bhp, they also do a 500bhp+ supercharger kit as well, they have a demo car down there that belongs to one of the guys in the workshop, they are the guys to take it to if u ever needed any work done to it, as they are one of the best bmw tuning companies around, they also do a lot of race car work, and they also have a ferrari f40 race car of there own that they race so have been around the racing industry a long time and know how best to set the m3's up
http://www.simpsonmotorsport.co.uk/default.asp?id=1&pid=1&name=Home
Wow, that was a really long sentence... :wink:
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^ I envy your housing arrangements ED30 if you live opposite a girl that drives an E46 M3!
She is quite tasty aswel :laugh:
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E46 M3....fantastic engine and a proper coupe that is robust and you can get all of your family and stuff in the boot too...bit like a Golf then!
Been there too but not for long. They are so different in their delivery. Much less torque @262lbs peak and they rarely make anywhere near the factory 338bhp same as the 321bhp E36 Evo's. Most BMW tuners I've spoken too all say the same. It's a bit like the V8 RS4/R8 engines...few make 414bhp...APS state more like 390's and a full house Milltek, induction and map sees 414bhp :surprised:
Lovely noise and chassis is sublim but brakes are poo.
Big buck's to mod but I'd skip power upgrade's and go Bilstein/KW chassis together with AP big brakes....proper ring car with Inter's.
Can't really compare directly with a OE Ed30 but a full stage 2 Ed30 will give an M3 a real run for it's money.
Off the mark RWD gives an M3 the edge but the mid range thump of a stage 1 or 2 mapped Ed 30 will give it a clean pair of heals. I thought my Golf as it is now feels so much more alive due to torque and bhp/ton advantage. Mine even sounds as good only because of the exhaust but as John says you need to do your homework buying one especially cheap high milers.
Because of the market at mo nice examples have gone back up! :surprised:
Servicing costs can be reduced out of main dealer network but you still don't want to skimp and they are in another league cost wise especially Insp 1 and 2's!
Good car but not a great anymore IMO what with everything moving on with technology and chassis advances .
Track prepping one costs a fortune! :scared:
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Ohhhh don't tempt meeeeeeeeeee!! :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
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Funny enough my mate just bought an 04 M3 with csl boot, bonnet and alloys.
Stunning car and great build quality. Pace wise a 2+ TFSI stays with them no probs :booty:
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..............
I've found a nice example........
I've done an insurance quote...........
I'm test driving one this weekend.........
:innocent: :innocent: :innocent:
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noooooooooooo :sick:
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m3 power delivery is completely different, They arent that fast though and a stage 2 plus k04 is quicker. M3 is the better overall car dynamically, whilst the k04 car is better economical and day to day.
Modified vs standard is a moot argument though, you could just modify the other car and it would be quicker. Turbo/supercharge the M3 and it would beat the GTI/Leon, big turbo conversion the GTI/Leon and strip it and it would beat the M3....could go on and on!
Not everyone wants to have to modify there car, i dont. Buying a car that was made to do those speeds from new, with parts that will do it all day without failing is more important to me (apart from the early models dodgy SMG lol)
Swings and roundabouts really.
I saw it like this.
E46 M3 aint exactly bulletproof, and expensive to service and repair.
K04 VAG can kick out 360hp after a 20.5 grand investment (going by a std cupra costing 18k) which will allow it to run with cars over twice the price. So you can have a brand new car, that costs as much as a used E46 M3, but is quicker. For me its all about the bang for buck.
Plus at the end of the day, you can pretty much have as much power as you want out of any engine, as long as your wallet can accomodate it.
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noooooooooooo :sick:
C'mon, Phil, just like with tuning GTI being blasphemy, once you get M3 you'll be the biggest fan. :grin:
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m3 power delivery is completely different, They arent that fast though and a stage 2 plus k04 is quicker. M3 is the better overall car dynamically, whilst the k04 car is better economical and day to day.
Modified vs standard is a moot argument though, you could just modify the other car and it would be quicker. Turbo/supercharge the M3 and it would beat the GTI/Leon, big turbo conversion the GTI/Leon and strip it and it would beat the M3....could go on and on!
Not everyone wants to have to modify there car, i dont. Buying a car that was made to do those speeds from new, with parts that will do it all day without failing is more important to me (apart from the early models dodgy SMG lol)
Swings and roundabouts really.
I saw it like this.
E46 M3 aint exactly bulletproof, and expensive to service and repair.
K04 VAG can kick out 360hp after a 20.5 grand investment (going by a std cupra costing 18k) which will allow it to run with cars over twice the price. So you can have a brand new car, that costs as much as a used E46 M3, but is quicker. For me its all about the bang for buck.
Plus at the end of the day, you can pretty much have as much power as you want out of any engine, as long as your wallet can accomodate it.
sure, but M3 will still be M3
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Exactly.
''What do you drive?''
''Oh its a leon/golf 'insert hatchback here'.....no, but, it is tuned so will go really quickly''
''oh ok''
or
''What do you drive?''
''M3''
''Nice''
Nuff said really
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noooooooooooo :sick:
C'mon, Phil, just like with tuning GTI being blasphemy, once you get M3 you'll be the biggest fan. :grin:
Sorry Bmw M3's are driven my c*cks in this country imo or they are a c*ck extension.
Id be down cash converters imediatly if i was given it.
Sorry , dont like them in the slightest.
Imo of course
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....or some might even be driven by enthusiasts ...
clearly youve never driven one, just an uninformed rant :booty:
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noooooooooooo :sick:
C'mon, Phil, just like with tuning GTI being blasphemy, once you get M3 you'll be the biggest fan. :grin:
Sorry Bmw M3's are driven my c*cks in this country imo or they are a c*ck extension.
Id be down cash converters imediatly if i was given it.
Sorry , dont like them in the slightest.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftomashandmilly%2FDaft_stuff%2F2399545998_4f79505f6d.jpg&hash=852061f714ccbbad1bcb524a1b58cf94310c4478) (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftomashandmilly%2FDaft_stuff%2FBeach_flip_fail.gif&hash=d8b8a17df0fdadaf6c69562504d13719a634d46c)
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....or some might even be driven by enthusiasts ...
clearly youve never driven one, just an uninformed rant :booty:
indeed IMO , just dont like most Bmw drivers in general, mainly their type of driving style john. Alot seem to think they are better then you and will cut you up, (mostly M or de-badge'd BM's.)
We are intitled to have rants on other drivers of other makes, just high performance BMW's are driven by some inconsiderate ....s
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noooooooooooo :sick:
C'mon, Phil, just like with tuning GTI being blasphemy, once you get M3 you'll be the biggest fan. :grin:
Sorry Bmw M3's are driven my c*cks in this country imo or they are a c*ck extension.
Id be down cash converters imediatly if i was given it.
Sorry , dont like them in the slightest.
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Arhaaa, the Forum Clique on time as usual :congrats:
no time for putting photo's of lookie likeys of yourself on here now is it :wink:
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what you have said is not limited to just BMW drivers tbh
"all mapped edition 30 owners think they have the greatest driving machine ever built, irrespective of the fact its a 25k hot hatch, its good but not THAT good " :evilgrin:
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@ Phil
I would guess you have never been in a M3 and to say anyone who drives one is a cock is just your usual foot in mouth comment with no thought or foundation :indifferent: :stupid: :booty:
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Why would i want to go in one?? Thats nothing to do with my post is it??? :stupid:
John_o, i am no way a badge snoob, and ive worked dam hard to own what i have.
We have our opinions on cars/owners, even Jezza Clarkson has an opinion, and so do i in this case.
It isnt directed at ANYONE in general. Except our resisident Moderator is too quick to point the finger.
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Why would i want to go in one?? Thats nothing to do with my post is it??? :stupid:
You would go in one to make a informed opinion to see how they drive and judge for yourself how good they rather that just spouting sh*t. :happy2:
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Why would i want to go in one?? Thats nothing to do with my post is it??? :stupid:
You would go in one to make a informed opinion to see how they drive and judge for yourself how good they rather that just spouting sh*t. :happy2:
So i have to drive a BMW to proove "Yes that person drives like a twit".
Ok see where im going wrong........
:notworthy:
Im sure there are many Law abiding M3 drivers, but some just feel they have a point to proove.
It may be a nice car, but i wouldnt want one, is that a crime?.
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Why would i want to go in one?? Thats nothing to do with my post is it??? :stupid:
You would go in one to make a informed opinion to see how they drive and judge for yourself how good they rather that just spouting sh*t. :happy2:
So i have to drive a BMW to proove "Yes that person drives like a twit".
Ok see where im going wrong........
:notworthy:
Im sure there are many Law abiding M3 drivers, but some just feel they have a point to proove.
It may be a nice car, but i wouldnt want one, is that a crime?.
Phil you have a really bad inferiority complex you slate and call everything until you have it, then its the best thing since sliced bread. :rolleye:
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Sorry Steve, i Rarely do this, i just steer clear, but that has got to be the biggest load of sh1te ive ever read on a forum!
i guess you have never driven an m3? ive hardly been on a 2k mile road trip in every marque, but ive driven on for an afternoon to know its one of the most satisfying drivers cars out there.
Its linear power delivery is superb. the Engine in the e46 is an absolute joy, no doubt! on paper its "only" 320bhp or so but it is brutal all way up.
I really dont know how you can just dismiss the marque of "m3" to the sin bin because "only cocks drive them" jesus!
rant over!
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i typed that before you replied i your last post, so fair does for saying what you said.
I hope you drop that attitude tho, there way be many wonderful things your missing out on in life due to misconceptions
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i typed that before you replied i your last post, so fair does for saying what you said.
I hope you drop that attitude tho, there way be many wonderful things your missing out on in life due to misconceptions
Like i said Jay, its not directed in any direction, im not aiming at ALL owners , just the minority which can give that Mk or poorer Reputation IMO.
What i do get annoyed about, is people replying and blowing it all out of perportion, and Perhaps was best if they sat on their paws before typing and enflaming the situation.That then gets my back up and i start going off on one.
Its getting too common it seems of late, and always from the same people.
Im gonna shut up now incase i get more abuse.
as you were :notworthy:
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sometimes your posts are completely foot in mouth.
in the sense that you said you have an opinion about the m3 being a "cocks car and cocks drive them and i dont want to drive one"
people will also have their own opinions in your posts
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its up to us to not reply ? :confused:
how about a considerate post in the first place ? if we all put in words what we felt without consideration for others , this forum would descend into chaos.
I apologise to whiteGTI for ruining this thread too.
back to M3 content .......
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Thats totally fine Jay. Tis a free country/public forum. ETTO as often gets said.
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:popcornsoda:
:pomppomp:
Handbags anyone? :signLOL:
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i typed that before you replied i your last post, so fair does for saying what you said.
I hope you drop that attitude tho, there way be many wonderful things your missing out on in life due to misconceptions
Like i said Jay, its not directed in any direction, im not aiming at ALL owners , just the minority which can give that Mk or poorer Reputation IMO.
What i do get annoyed about, is people replying and blowing it all out of perportion, and Perhaps was best if they sat on their paws before typing and enflaming the situation.That then gets my back up and i start going off on one.
Its getting too common it seems of late, and always from the same people.
Im gonna shut up now incase i get more abuse.
as you were :notworthy:
If notice i first posted a spade because its you who gets yourself in these situations. Your the one who called all BMW drivers cocks and your the one looking like a fool as usual. Its me who is getting tired of your thoughtless comments and as history shows its you who always ends up eating humble pie after you have slated something you know nothing about.
After all you where kicked out of the other forum because all you ever did was give snide comments about people or there mods on there cars which caused arguments. :happy2:
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Hahahaha!!! I leave the forum for 4 hours and this is what happens! :chicken: :chicken:
I'm actually really glad this topic came up because an E46 has been on my mind for a long time, and to hear such good, detailed and interesting viewpoints from several who have experience of the car is invaluable to me. Thanks!
Also, I hope the OP has got useful information from the early parts of this topic. :happy2:
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Tc , Your not the worth the energy to press these keys on the keyboard anymore.
I decided to step down as moderator sunshine, and wasnt Booted off as you put it, or was that something you thought you knew, but dont. :P
Ok perhaps the reason id stepped down was because of yourself maybe, being like you are just now.
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Hahahaha!!! I leave the forum for 4 hours and this is what happens! :chicken: :chicken:
I'm actually really glad this topic came up because an E46 has been on my mind for a long time, and to hear such good, detailed and interesting viewpoints from several who have experience of the car is invaluable to me. Thanks!
Also, I hope the OP has got useful information from the early parts of this topic. :happy2:
sorry chris for all this thats going on, its not aimed at you in anyway at all, i guess i hope you understand i was not basing ALL drivers of BMW's, but some want to carry on this argument long after the bell.
Good luck if you do go for the BMW mate.
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Tc , Your not the worth the energy to press these keys on the keyboard anymore.
I decided to step down as moderator sunshine, and wasnt Booted off as you put it, or was that something you thought you knew, but dont. :P
Ok perhaps the reason id stepped down was because of yourself maybe, being like you are just now.
I am getting confused now are you saying its my fault your a idiot. Who never thinks before he posts. :chicken:
Or are you going into phase 2 of your hole digging were you try and make everyone feel sorry for poor little you. :happy2:
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Hahahaha!!! I leave the forum for 4 hours and this is what happens! :chicken: :chicken:
I'm actually really glad this topic came up because an E46 has been on my mind for a long time, and to hear such good, detailed and interesting viewpoints from several who have experience of the car is invaluable to me. Thanks!
Also, I hope the OP has got useful information from the early parts of this topic. :happy2:
sorry chris for all this thats going on, its not aimed at you in anyway at all, i guess i hope you understand i was not basing ALL drivers of BMW's, but some want to carry on this argument long after the bell.
Good luck if you do go for the BMW mate.
No need to apologise to me mate, i know none of this is directed at me whatsoever! In my opinion, any BMW provides a fantastic driving experience. Take the X6 for example....personally I love the way it looks, but there is a lot of people out there that think its butt ugly. But having been taken out in one by a professional racing driver and seen first hand what the car is capable of, I would buy one regardless of how it looks. I'm looking at the M3 not for the image it gives out, or because I want to pose. I'm looking at it because I think the engine is an absolute masterpiece in itself, and the fact that it is RWD, with a slip diff. I had a play with one last week, and in a straight line it was pretty much evens, however in terms of braking for the roundabouts, cornering and accelerating out of the roundabouts it wiped the floor with me.
I hope one day you actually drive one because you would be convinced!
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Tc , Your not the worth the energy to press these keys on the keyboard anymore.
I decided to step down as moderator sunshine, and wasnt Booted off as you put it, or was that something you thought you knew, but dont. :P
Ok perhaps the reason id stepped down was because of yourself maybe, being like you are just now.
I am getting confused now are you saying its my fault your a idiot. Who never thinks before he posts. :chicken:
Or are you going into phase 2 of your hole digging were you try and make everyone feel sorry for poor little you. :happy2:
Now your really talking out of your arse Tom.
You seriously are not worth dragging this on anymore.
@chris
"I hope one day you actually drive one because you would be convinced!"
It may well be mate, but my reply was purely FROM THE VERY START not based on the actual car, Just SOME of its drivers.
Someone in here have to get a personality transplant dragging this on way too long to the point that its pointless visiting.
Perhaps if people find me too offensive, perhaps they can use there ignore tab and save alot of hassle
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Get a room you two! :love: :signLOL:
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@chris
"I hope one day you actually drive one because you would be convinced!"
It may well be mate, but my reply was purely FROM THE VERY START not based on the actual car, Just SOME of its drivers.
Someone in here have to get a personality transplant dragging this on way too long to the point that its pointless visiting.
I know, I understand what you meant in the first place, I was just saying in general that you would love the drive. :happy2:
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@ chris I know exactly what you mean about the x6. Great car in some peoples eyes, awful and impractical in other. Myself, think BMW know exactly their Market and it does it's job perfectly. It's the best handling Chelsea tractor ever made! Lol. It really does drive awesome for a sportscar, never mind a big 4x4. Same with the x5. I once really gave a x5 35sd some pain and in the twisties I was amazed. I could hang it round a wet round about like an rs4 couldn't believe. It's such a strange sensation being so sideways yet still feeling so much control thru the predictable traction. I was blown away!
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^^ Couldn't have said it better myself! They do appeal to a specific market, and I think that anyone who is not in that market really dislikes them. Shame really!
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Twisties and round about was a closed road btw :signLOL
and sorry the above post Is a while long winded and not structured right, iPhones!
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Is it a shame though? How many range rover sports do you see? How many x6s do you see? It's a marked difference around my area! And I wouldn't have thought BMW are doing anything other that pulling off a profitable exercise with the x6
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Is it a shame though? How many range rover sports do you see? How many x6s do you see? It's a marked difference around my area! And I wouldn't have thought BMW are doing anything other that pulling off a profitable exercise with the x6
Yeah very valid point. I meant it more as a shame for themselves that those people are so narrow minded through not appreciating the BMW for what it is and just write it off and bad-mouth it immediately. Pistonheads forums are notorious for it! :sad1:
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Well at least I started a thread which has got people thinking (amongst other things)! Cheers for the info guys, I may go and have a go in one and weigh them up a bit more.
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Nah it's all those Audi drivers that are cocks! :grin: :signLOL:
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By the way, if i do end up getting an M3 I will still be coming to the forum meets! So don't think that you'll be rid of me! :innocent:
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Nah it's all those Audi drivers that are cocks! :grin: :signLOL:
I best not tell everyone about all them pm's ref S3's nouse, oops I just did :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Is it a shame though? How many range rover sports do you see? How many x6s do you see? It's a marked difference around my area! And I wouldn't have thought BMW are doing anything other that pulling off a profitable exercise with the x6
Yeah very valid point. I meant it more as a shame for themselves that those people are so narrow minded through not appreciating the BMW for what it is and just write it off and bad-mouth it immediately. Pistonheads forums are notorious for it! :sad1:
So is this forum!! Muha sorry couldn't resist !
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Nah it's all those Audi drivers that are cocks! :grin: :signLOL:
I best not tell everyone about all them pm's ref S3's nouse, oops I just did :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
:pomppomp: :star:
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By the way, if i do end up getting an M3 I will still be coming to the forum meets! So don't think that you'll be rid of me! :innocent:
....I hope so!
The occasional M3 and CSL has been known to turn up at our Biali meets. Stunning rear-wheel drive cars and you should hear the induction sound on the CSL!! :notworthy: :notworthy:
Superb engines too. I would have a BMW again.
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Ohhhhh sexwee csl! I'd love enough balls and money to own one. It's one of those realistic monsters I would love to own, aside to my unrealistic 430 scuderia fantasies! Just probable that when the time is right it might be a little too dated
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why oh why robin did you have to post the csl shot, love them :love:
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Ohhhhh sexwee csl! I'd love enough balls and money to own one. It's one of those realistic monsters I would love to own, aside to my unrealistic 430 scuderia fantasies! Just probable that when the time is right it might be a little too dated
You dont need balls to own one just cock. :evilgrin: (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftomashandmilly%2FDaft_stuff%2FHilarious.gif&hash=8530b21bca4dde125d62941b8bc42607a55e726d)
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Ohhhhh sexwee csl! I'd love enough balls and money to own one. It's one of those realistic monsters I would love to own, aside to my unrealistic 430 scuderia fantasies! Just probable that when the time is right it might be a little too dated
You dont need balls to own one just cock. :evilgrin: (https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Ftomashandmilly%2FDaft_stuff%2FHilarious.gif&hash=8530b21bca4dde125d62941b8bc42607a55e726d)
And a little one at that :signLOL:
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I don't care what anyone thinks about who's driving a CSL - They've got so much style and character.
I like the M3 too but prefer the CSL. I'd love a V8 M3.
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The v8 does sound awesome but also loved the clattering raspy sound of the straight 6 in the e46. Some hated it but I foookin loved it!!
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E46 M3 was great. E92 M3 just isnt the same. C63 AMG is a better car than the new m3, certainky sounds better and goes much quicker in a straightline.
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I have seriously disagree with the c63 being better. I just don't see it. It's just not poised or delicate as the m3. It's like cutting your hair with hedge trimmers. Yes it's bigger and has more capacity but is it really the tool for the job though? Not really.
Although I agree the new m3 is very different to the old and the c63 sounds incredible!
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E46 M3 was great. E92 M3 just isnt the same. C63 AMG is a better car than the new m3, certainky sounds better and goes much quicker in a straightline.
i think the m3 showed its class against the merc around the ascari circuit :wink:
comment someone at ods to the rational behind your love for the rs
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I have seriously disagree with the c63 being better. I just don't see it. It's just not poised or delicate as the m3. It's like cutting your hair with hedge trimmers. Yes it's bigger and has more capacity but is it really the tool for the job though? Not really.
Although I agree the new m3 is very different to the old and the c63 sounds incredible!
BMW M stands for marketing these days, not motorsport. A real enthusiast who is after poise wouldnt even twice consider getting the new m3, its just far too heavy. Nearly 1700kg the m3. :stupid:
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E46 M3 was great. E92 M3 just isnt the same. C63 AMG is a better car than the new m3, certainky sounds better and goes much quicker in a straightline.
i think the m3 showed its class against the merc around the ascari circuit :wink:
comment someone at ods to the rational behind your love for the rs
RS is the ultimate hothatch modifying aside.
M3 is arguably the ultimate coupe/luxury saloon, but for me its best merits sorta defeats its purpose as it aint got sh*t on some of the worlds real drivers cars.
The C63 atleast doesnt try to be a clinical track car like the bmw, but instead its a arguably more entertaining road car, and for one the road and everyday living I think its better imo. At the end of the day with the average driver behind the wheel of both, on public roads the AMG will be the quicker car, and the better sounding one at that! People bang on about how its better round the track, but if thats your perogative just buy a track car.
all my imo.
p.s, if bmw made a csl version I would have a change of heart ;)
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Fair enough mate I know where your comin from. Driving the c63 was still a big wallowy ride and the c63 didn't hide it's weight as well as the m3. Understeer then alot of oversteer now, I'm no tiff nedel but it wasn't my driving. It's no heap of sh*t don't get me wrong I just prefer the m3 ;)
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Fair enough mate I know where your comin from. Driving the c63 was still a big wallowy ride and the c63 didn't hide it's weight as well as the m3. Understeer then alot of oversteer now, I'm no tiff nedel but it wasn't my driving. It's no heap of sh*t don't get me wrong I just prefer the m3 ;)
Lucky lad, closest I have got to c63 amg is attempting to chase one, no chance lol.
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this is only a c55amg but the edition 30 holds it own well
and the E46 M3..... but its only a golf :happy2:
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this is only a c55amg but the edition 30 holds it own well
and the E46 M3..... but its only a golf :happy2:
&NR=1
Chased a AMG E55 3 man up with the AMG by himself and he was only a little quicker than my stage 1 car.
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Test drove one today......think I'm going to start looking seriously for one...... :drinking:
....So, the GTI will be up for sale in due course. :wink:
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Which one is the E46 chris, unsure as to which shape you mean!!
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I'm polishing a csl in the same colour tomorrow :grin: :drool:
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:drinking: chris. Best of luck, the hunt for a new car is always the best bit :happy2:
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Going back to my post I would have to say that BMW really turned things around with the E46 as the chassis and VANOS improvements were hugely effective. BMW got a bit of bashing with the E36 when comparing the E30.
You can't compare a coupe with a hatch but from a driving perspective rear wheel drive doesn't corrupt steering feel.
It's the same of argument that journalists have been going on for years FWD v RWD. The E46 has fabulous chassis balance but so has the MK5.
According to Top Gear the c-cks have now moved from BMW to Audi :signLOL:
One other hooligan which I'd like to try as the VXR Monaro...lots of sideways action.
One car I've yet to try is the V8 M5....400BHP and very cheap.
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The e46 is a truely great all round machine, and much more than just straight line pace. I went out in CA Automotives 550bhp model recently and that was just insane.
For me the one big let down is how old and dated they feel inside, but they can be picked up from under 10k, what a bargain !
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me and cuprak1 have had a few experiences now with the e92 m3. Lets just say that afterwards the M3 owner wanted a passenger ride in mine after stating that I wouldnt stand a chance and him being out of my league :signLOL: :signLOL:
He eturned the favour afterwards. The E92 M3 feels much quicker than mine, but it isnt, which is weird, proper lovely motor though.
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me and cuprak1 have had a few experiences now with the e92 m3. Lets just say that afterwards the M3 owner wanted a passenger ride in mine after stating that I wouldnt stand a chance and him being out of my league :signLOL: :signLOL:
He eturned the favour afterwards. The E92 M3 feels much quicker than mine, but it isnt, which is weird, proper lovely motor though.
Is anything quicker than your car? Why does anyone buy other cars when they could buy a 2.0 leon.
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you do make me laugh jules! :grin:
a friend of mine had an E30 M3 a few years ago that was stipped out and i can tell you this was the fastes car i have been in it was ridiculous and ive driven a fezza 355 but it felt faster in the beemer, that was a truely wonderful car but i prefer my humble little golf :happy2:
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me and cuprak1 have had a few experiences now with the e92 m3. Lets just say that afterwards the M3 owner wanted a passenger ride in mine after stating that I wouldnt stand a chance and him being out of my league :signLOL: :signLOL:
He eturned the favour afterwards. The E92 M3 feels much quicker than mine, but it isnt, which is weird, proper lovely motor though.
Is anything quicker than your car? Why does anyone buy other cars when they could buy a 2.0 leon.
Meeeeowww.
Still upset you have a lardy flawed golf?
Never said mine was quicker, it isnt, but he was pleasantly surprised.
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me and cuprak1 have had a few experiences now with the e92 m3. Lets just say that afterwards the M3 owner wanted a passenger ride in mine after stating that I wouldnt stand a chance and him being out of my league :signLOL: :signLOL:
He eturned the favour afterwards. The E92 M3 feels much quicker than mine, but it isnt, which is weird, proper lovely motor though.
its all on video my friends :) dont hate !!
I took him even off the line and pulled atleast 2 car lengths ...
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me and cuprak1 have had a few experiences now with the e92 m3. Lets just say that afterwards the M3 owner wanted a passenger ride in mine after stating that I wouldnt stand a chance and him being out of my league :signLOL: :signLOL:
He eturned the favour afterwards. The E92 M3 feels much quicker than mine, but it isnt, which is weird, proper lovely motor though.
Is anything quicker than your car? Why does anyone buy other cars when they could buy a 2.0 leon.
Meeeeowww.
Still upset you have a lardy flawed golf?
Never said mine was quicker, it isnt, but he was pleasantly surprised.
Not particularly no, the leon was well within my price range but the interior was hideous, handling felt sloppy (weird feedback) and wasnt up to scratch with the golf!
Every thread that pops up with a car you come in about how your stage 2 is quicker than it.
''See that veyron on tv the other day''
Yeah good cars them, sailed past in the leon though the other day though, my mate has one
Do you live in Dubai? You seem to have mates who own every car going!
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me and cuprak1 have had a few experiences now with the e92 m3. Lets just say that afterwards the M3 owner wanted a passenger ride in mine after stating that I wouldnt stand a chance and him being out of my league :signLOL: :signLOL:
He eturned the favour afterwards. The E92 M3 feels much quicker than mine, but it isnt, which is weird, proper lovely motor though.
Is anything quicker than your car? Why does anyone buy other cars when they could buy a 2.0 leon.
Meeeeowww.
Still upset you have a lardy flawed golf?
Never said mine was quicker, it isnt, but he was pleasantly surprised.
Not particularly no, the leon was well within my price range but the interior was hideous, handling felt sloppy (weird feedback) and wasnt up to scratch with the golf!
Every thread that pops up with a car you come in about how your stage 2 is quicker than it.
''See that veyron on tv the other day''
Yeah good cars them, sailed past in the leon though the other day though, my mate has one
Do you live in Dubai? You seem to have mates who own every car going!
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Honestly mate your boring me now.
R32 werent even on my radar, its too slow, too heavy, too thirsty. Was between the S3 and Cupra for me, Interior doesnt bother me, purely after bang for buck.Wanted a Evo but insurance company said no. Me and cuprak1 come across alot of different types of cars because we are big on the cruising scene in and around London. I mean if you are ever in London you are welcome to come along with us and see it for your own eyes, then perhaps you can stop being such an ass. Just a suggestion :happy2:
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''See that veyron on tv the other day''
Yeah, we both raced it and beat it...
Do you live in Dubai? You seem to have mates who own every car going!
No he just has cool mates lol
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I live in london. Finsbury park to be precise (for the next few weeks at least)
I didnt want to mod - wanted the best out the box which the R32 is. Going for a house soon anyway which is ultimately gutting as its the perfect car, more power would be nice but then if it had 300bhp people would still wish it had more, is always the way!
My point is, regardless of how much faster a leon/golf (even a turbo R32) is over a car such as the E92 M3 theres no way its better as an all round car. You always make out theres no point in 'insert car here' as a mapped ED30/Cupra is quicker.
My mate drives a clio (1.2) and the other his missus MG! Best car is a 328i which is piss poor in everyway!
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I live in london. Finsbury park to be precise (for the next few weeks at least)
I didnt want to mod - wanted the best out the box which the R32 is. Going for a house soon anyway which is ultimately gutting as its the perfect car, more power would be nice but then if it had 300bhp people would still wish it had more, is always the way!
My point is, regardless of how much faster a leon/golf (even a turbo R32) is over a car such as the E92 M3 theres no way its better as an all round car. You always make out theres no point in 'insert car here' as a mapped ED30/Cupra is quicker.
My mate drives a clio (1.2) and the other his missus MG! Best car is a 328i which is piss poor in everyway!
Everyone would take the BMW, but when a 65k beemer is matched by a 20k hothatch its worth talking about. When I first propositioned him I didnt think I stood a chance, I just wanted to see how one goes, and now I know.
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They are stupidly priced! Im looking into a 335i as my next car, as much as id love the M3 its way out of my range! Havent got a mate with a mapped one of those have you :signLOL:
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They are stupidly priced! Im looking into a 335i as my next car, as much as id love the M3 its way out of my range! Havent got a mate with a mapped one of those have you :signLOL:
The guy who has the m3 was telling me he either used to have a mapped 135i or still has, cant remember exactly as it was early hours of the morning, but he told me the mapped 135i is faster than his m3.
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And a mapped 335d will keep up with both of them! 335i/d still doesn't have the satisfaction of the M car though.