MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Tim144 on December 23, 2013, 10:01:57 pm
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3T8z8ZxQ7B0&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D3T8z8ZxQ7B0
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Just think what it could do with Haldex...
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Is that really hitting 10's with FWD 2.0 TFSI? Dammnnn. Making A LOT of ground up then.
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Is that really hitting 10's with FWD 2.0 TFSI? Dammnnn. Making A LOT of ground up then.
No it's the later tsi engine that should be putting out around 450bhp
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Going to chew its own arse some morning then... :scared:
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What do you reckon is the flashing light on the bottom of the steering wheel?
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Is that really hitting 10's with FWD 2.0 TFSI? Dammnnn. Making A LOT of ground up then.
Not really. There's a mk4 golf 1.8t running silly horse power does sub 10s for fun
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What do you reckon is the flashing light on the bottom of the steering wheel?
Maybe AF mixture or something, or WMI indicator?
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Go pro remote...
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Sorry, but it doesn't show the terminal in the video and then just has a time card tagged on at the end. Also the terminal speed is registered as 138mph and I'm sorry but 450bhp does not get you a 133mph terminal with fwd!!
650bhp with 4wd will struggle to hit 135mph!!
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shouldHave gone Apr john..... lol
In seriousness though. Its a stage 3+ 2.0TSI with a fully built engine all the headwork running sunoco race furl on what look to be slicks.
Considering a stage 3+ 2.0 TFSI on 98 ron will hit 480hp+ a 2.0TSI WILL make a fair wedge more power especially with race fuel. Id bet that's easily over 500hp
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Still wouldn't get a 133mph terminal though! May get low 11's. :smiley:
Or are we now saying APR can tune a MKVI FWD with a smaller turbo that is as fast as their stage 4 fully built 4WD TTRS with DSG and get faster terminals with 150-200bhp less power!!
Oh and just 0.1seconds slower than their 600+bhp, fully built Golf R Stage 4 that is apparently still 5mph slower than the stage 3+ FWD GTI at the end of the strip!!
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Right, a bit more research has thrown a few more details up. In April this year this car was running 11.6@122 mph on stree tyres, a GT3071R turbo, race fuel and developed over 500WHP ( so around 560bhp) and at that level will have internals. The GT3071 is rated at 560bhp, so that matches up with Garrett's own outputs. Now, 122-123mph terminals are still a reflection of power over the distance and even with slicks added to gain another 10mph on terminals over the same distance needs another 200+bhp in a FWD motor at 1300+kg.
Some great power, but I've still to be convinced!
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My old ibiza was doing 12.5 at 126mph. :happy2:
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My old ibiza was doing 12.5 at 126mph. :happy2:
Sweet, and what power were you running Alex?
The APR car did the 60' in just over 1.9seconds, which is good for a fwd but rubbish for an AWD Car.
How much more to take your old Ibiza to 133mph and knock off another 1.6 seconds?
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My old ibiza was doing 12.5 at 126mph. :happy2:
Sweet, and what power were you running Alex?
The APR car did the 60' in just over 1.9seconds, which is good for a fwd but rubbish for an AWD Car.
How much more to take your old Ibiza to 133mph and knock off another 1.6 seconds?
Once the ibiza got traction it would pull in the 4wd cars, but would only go past if there was more than a 1/4 mile to do so. Killed GTR's on the road.
Never had it on the dyno, but estimated it to be around the 440 bhp. To get better times it would need drag slicks, the camber reducing from the - 3.5 it was running and 500bhp. The car weighed under a ton too.
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My old ibiza was doing 12.5 at 126mph. :happy2:
Sweet, and what power were you running Alex?
The APR car did the 60' in just over 1.9seconds, which is good for a fwd but rubbish for an AWD Car.
How much more to take your old Ibiza to 133mph and knock off another 1.6 seconds?
To knock that 1.6 off with the FWD Alex would have had to drive off a cliff :signLOL:
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This reminds me of their 'look how fast our MKV accelerates' video shot from the clocks perspective, which made them look equally stupid once someone pointed out a MKV isn't geared to do 90 in second.
They claimed they had an early car with a different gearbox. The Internet collectively called them a bunch of dickheads and walked away.
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:signLOL:
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:congrats:
It will only just do 60 in 2nd with the rev limiter increased!
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It's think people are jealous that it's faster than there's.... :wink:
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It's think people are jealous that it's faster than there's.... :wink:
Its thinks your correct. I reckon they are just jealous aswellz.
Guys you need to prove APR wrong before you go throwing accusations about. :popcornsoda:
Dont forget they have a world renowned Graveyard in Milton Keynes. :party:
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It's think people are jealous that it's faster than there's.... :wink:
Im not jealous as I can get to work and back all week on £20 He cant :signLOL:
I can do 10s alllll day long and hit 60 without all that noise and smokey stuff coming ouit the back :signLOL:
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I don't understand why they zoomed into the timing board at the end but then cut to some random bit of paper :confused:
Total BS unless they wanna show us the rest of the video.
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Perhaps teh vid cut out at that point... doubtful though.
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It wasn't that I doubt a FWD car could do 10's, it was the fact that they were claiming it as being done on a stage 3+ car, which with terminals of 133mph it clearly isn't!
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This isn't a APR HQ video and I believe it did those times.
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Still wouldn't get a 133mph terminal though! May get low 11's. :smiley:
Or are we now saying APR can tune a MKVI FWD with a smaller turbo that is as fast as their stage 4 fully built 4WD TTRS with DSG and get faster terminals with 150-200bhp less power!!
Oh and just 0.1seconds slower than their 600+bhp, fully built Golf R Stage 4 that is apparently still 5mph slower than the stage 3+ FWD GTI at the end of the strip!!
There are no stage 4 TTRS DSG cars. If there was I reckon it would do 9's.
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I did a 9.1s 1/4 in my stage 1 ed30 yesterday... heres the proof!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Frich%2Fimg%2FCar%2520Stuff%2F9.1.jpg&hash=4e079ff2ba0270227df05b386782b841416cf566)
:popcornsoda:
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That a Revo print?
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:signLOL:
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This isn't a APR HQ video and I believe it did those times.
APR's PR guru has arrived. :P
I did a 9.1s 1/4 in my stage 1 ed30 yesterday... heres the proof!
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Frich%2Fimg%2FCar%2520Stuff%2F9.1.jpg&hash=4e079ff2ba0270227df05b386782b841416cf566)
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Looks legit Rich. :happy2:
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The times have been verified to be genuine.
GoAPR :driver:
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The times have been verified to be genuine.
GoAPR :driver:
Where?
The car may well have done the time, but APR is still showing the wrong state of tune, which contributed to this thread.
A stage 3 MK6 GTI is their kit with either a K04 or a GTX2867. Their Stage 3+ tune has the stage 3 kit, but with internals. So, with a GTX3071R and full internals the car is a full stage 4 car. So, once again APR "accidentally" misrepresent their product, cause confusion and argument and get up the hopes of customers who think they can buy a stage 3 kit with some internals and have a 10 second car!!
Guy Harding does make some awesome cars, but if you want a ten second car you have to go to Australia to have one built for you that works RELIABLY! :wink: :innocent:
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Have you not watched the entire video. It accurately lists what mods where on the car for this run. The video doesn't say 450hp.
Looking at the mods stated, you would be able to tell it's got over 500whp. GTX30 and racefuel. Yeahhhh that's over 600hp crank for sure.
If you want a 10 second golf speak to race developments.
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Finally Keith Lucas clears things up.
"Stage 3+ for the MK6 GTi references our Stage 3+ turbocharger upgrade product. It does require uprated connecting rods so most people do pistons at the same time. Not sure exactly what Guy's configuration is in that car these days but yeah, its beyond an off the shelf Stage 3+ and I don't think you can even buy the software he is using."
AND......
"Its a one off car built for marketing."
So, let's recap.....
I believe it can and does do 10's at it's state of tune and set-up on drag slicks.
It doesn't run APR software available to anyone, if indeed it is even APR software.
It isn't a stage 3+ car
It runs non-APR launch software
As Keith says, it is a marketing tool.
I think I've finally proven my points.
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Didn't Keith say it runs one off APR software. It's DSG so runs DSG launch control, it's a stage 3+ like how mine is stage 3+.
And yes it's a marketing car, and no different to any other tuners marketing car which run special software not available to the general market, Revo do it and I'm sure so do GIAC.
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Have you not watched the entire video. It accurately lists what mods where on the car for this run. The video doesn't say 450hp.
Looking at the mods stated, you would be able to tell it's got over 500whp. GTX30 and racefuel. Yeahhhh that's over 600hp crank for sure.
If you want a 10 second golf speak to race developments.
Agreed, but it still says it is a Stage 3+ car! which it isn't and as Keith has said above even the software isn't something that is available!
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Do you work for myth busters hurdy? :laugh:
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I fail to get your point. APR built a bespoke car for marketing, doesn't mean it didn't do those times.
Also why isn't it a stage 3+ car?
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And yes it's a marketing car, and no different to any other tuners marketing car which run special software not available to the general market, Revo do it and I'm sure so do GIAC.
Well put and again is one of my points. APR promote and boast about the performance of their own cars and then when people buy their kits and cannot get the same performance from them it upsets them. I also agree that other tuners probably do the same.
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I fail to get your point. APR built a bespoke car for marketing, doesn't mean it didn't do those times.
Also why isn't it a stage 3+ car?
My point? My point was originally that a stage 3+ car wouldn't do 10's. It isn't a stage 3+ car as Keith has already stated, it is beyond that and a custom car that regular APR customers simply cannot get. I didn't say that Guy hadn't done the time.
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A quote from Keith in the last 30mins.
"Basically, you can't buy this from APR anywhere in the world as a regular customer."
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Do you work for myth busters hurdy? :laugh:
They consult me first! :grin:
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It isn't a APR video though. It's a Guy Harding performance video showing the world what he can do using some of APR's components and their software albeit bespoke.
He hasn't mislead anyone, no one should be under the impression the APR off the shelf kit can do those times as it's a completely different kit.
Also APR kits don't do the times they say? That's not true at all, look at the TTRS and Golf R for example. The owners are posting faster times with their stage 3 kits than APR themselves state.
Keith has called it a stage 3+ Car, my car is a stage 3+ Car and they have had the same sorta engine work from what I can tell, so I'm confused as to why it's not a stage 3+
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How is your car these days Pov?
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How is your car these days Pov?
Fast, it spins it's wheels in 4th with the current weather
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I fail to get your point. APR built a bespoke car for marketing, doesn't mean it didn't do those times.
Also why isn't it a stage 3+ car?
My point? My point was originally that a stage 3+ car wouldn't do 10's. It isn't a stage 3+ car as Keith has already stated, it is beyond that and a custom car that regular APR customers simply cannot get. I didn't say that Guy hadn't done the time.
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A quote from Keith in the last 30mins.
"Basically, you can't buy this from APR anywhere in the world as a regular customer."
What's the points of showing what they can do but customers can't buy it!!!
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I fail to get your point. APR built a bespoke car for marketing, doesn't mean it didn't do those times.
Also why isn't it a stage 3+ car?
My point? My point was originally that a stage 3+ car wouldn't do 10's. It isn't a stage 3+ car as Keith has already stated, it is beyond that and a custom car that regular APR customers simply cannot get. I didn't say that Guy hadn't done the time.
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A quote from Keith in the last 30mins.
"Basically, you can't buy this from APR anywhere in the world as a regular customer."
What's the points of showing what they can do but customers can't buy it!!!
Car manufacturers do it all the time, or maybe it's part of their development program
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Define a stage 4 then Pov.
It isn't a APR video though. It's a Guy Harding performance video showing the world what he can do using some of APR's components and their software albeit bespoke.
Maybe it isn't an official APR video, but the average Joe wouldn't know that. If they then went to APR and asked for a stage 3+ upgrade for their TSI they would get a completely different kit, power level and hence performance.
He hasn't mislead anyone, no one should be under the impression the APR off the shelf kit can do those times as it's a completely different kit.
Again, why wouldn't they? They ask for a 3+ kit and would get a different product from APR!
Also APR kits don't do the times they say? That's not true at all, look at the TTRS and Golf R for example. The owners are posting faster times with their stage 3 kits than APR themselves state.
I didn't know APR posted official times, unless they were world records! So there are customers with 3+ cars that are quicker than 10.9? Or Golf R's quicker than 10.8?
Keith has called it a stage 3+ Car, my car is a stage 3+ Car and they have had the same sorta engine work from what I can tell, so I'm confused as to why it's not a stage 3+
Define a stage 4. I thought stage 4 was internals and a bigger turbo over the stage 3 kit, so a stage 4!
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How is your car these days Pov?
Fast, it spins it's wheels in 4th with the current weather
Bloody well should with over 600bhp! :signLOL:
Still want a shotgun ride Pov. :happy2:
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Is this faster than your car john ( hurdy ) ? :popcornsoda:
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Is this faster than your car john ( hurdy ) ? :popcornsoda:
Yes, much faster, for now! :wink:
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Is this faster than your car john ( hurdy ) ? :popcornsoda:
Yes, much faster, for now! :wink:
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Only winding you up john , out of the 2 cars i know which one id take ! :wink:
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The times have been verified to be genuine.
GoAPR :driver:
Where?
The car may well have done the time, but APR is still showing the wrong state of tune, which contributed to this thread.
A stage 3 MK6 GTI is their kit with either a K04 or a GTX2867. Their Stage 3+ tune has the stage 3 kit, but with internals. So, with a GTX3071R and full internals the car is a full stage 4 car. So, once again APR "accidentally" misrepresent their product, cause confusion and argument and get up the hopes of customers who think they can buy a stage 3 kit with some internals and have a 10 second car!!
Guy Harding does make some awesome cars, but if you want a ten second car you have to go to Australia to have one built for you that works RELIABLY! :wink: :innocent:
Hurdy,
The goAPR website states the Stage 3+ setup for a 2.0TSI uses a GT3071R turbo. So i guess they are quoting the correct level of tune/hardware for their Mk6 GTI. (It states the Stage 3 setup on the 2.0TSI uses a GT2860RS unit
Garrett/Honeywell GT3071R Turbocharger capable of airflow levels approximately 25% higher than the Stage III GT2860RS unit. http://www.goapr.com/products/stage3plus_20_tsi_trans.html (http://www.goapr.com/products/stage3plus_20_tsi_trans.html)
Had it been an R with the 2.0TFSI then Stage 3 would have been the GTx2867R and as far as i recall the Stage 3 + uses the same turbo but with a flowed head and some other gubbins. In that case what you said would have indeed been correct, but since it wasnt an R......its not :innocent:
Might be worth retracting those winks :wink:
On the figures front like you say a GT3071 is rated at approx 560Hp. If they chuck on their flowed head, race fuel and no doubt a much more agressive software setup it will no doubt make more power again(as Statller did with their LO4xx), with some drag radials, a stripped out shell and who knows what else, so IMO its hardly surprising to see them topping the 1/4 miles!!
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To conclude this topic we heard from the horses mouth itself:
you might have to correct that UK MK5 forum - registration is broken, so I can't join. for the record - this MK6 GTI DSG has 16,000km's on it - mostly as my daily driver. We built a fresh engine in September for it (as we borrowed the previous engine to put in our "Super Tiguan"), and that engine is bone stock except for APR Pistons & rods (.5mm oversize). It runs a totally stock head, the is no WM injection or nitrous. The used stage 3+ kit with the GT3071 was bolted straight up
We recalibrated it with the help of Jamie Harvey & Joel McKay at APR, it runs Sunoco GT260+ and it has made well over 500WHP on our in house dynapack. It has what we now call a production tune in it (as we work with APR to get "production" tunes to market - like the Golf R V3.4 AU / EU version). The car has a totally stock cylinder head - the only part that was prototype or "pre production" was the ROW TSI HPFP which I believe is for sale now.
We are building a customers car in house at the moment, same engine (Exactly), but this one will be faster (traction permitting) as it's a manual Octavia VRS that is stripped to bare essentials - so it will kick our cars arse - watch this record! the old record (last weeks) will be in for a hiding. http://goapr.com.au/media/index.html There are some media articles you might be interested in there John showing our work on the cars, and there is a build thread on this particular GTI (including engine & transmission) here: http://www.vwwatercooled.com.au/.../our-golf-gti-stage-3... Hope that clears it up - but feel free to ask any more questions.
P.S. Our Golf R which is still the worlds fastest 14 months on, it smashes the competition head to head in magazine tests & wins sprints & rallies outright against the competition. It has in internally gated 3076 GTX on it which has an inconel adapter onto a standard APR stage 3+ kit (all built in house) - it's street legal, runs a half cage in it & cut it's 1/4 mile times with 3.5 degrees of camber on it. You can't buy that turbo / adapter from APR, but the rest is theirs (including calibration).
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Was that written by a child? It would explain their apparent difficulty in registering to the forum.
Well, I didn't want to have to do this, but we've stooped so low it needs ending now.
Your mum.
That's right. I did it. The universally recognised winner of all arguments response. They've got no comeback, go ahead and have a little cry to yourselves, there's nothing you could have done.
My apologies for having to use such an appalling tactic on the forum, but it had to be done. Lock the thread. Goodnight Vienna.
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Not an APR fan then TD :grin:
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Was that written by a child? It would explain their apparent difficulty in registering to the forum.
Well, I didn't want to have to do this, but we've stooped so low it needs ending now.
Your mum.
That's right. I did it. The universally recognised winner of all arguments response. They've got no comeback, go ahead and have a little cry to yourselves, there's nothing you could have done.
My apologies for having to use such an appalling tactic on the forum, but it had to be done. Lock the thread. Goodnight Vienna.
Well said tony :congrats:
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Haha... I've not heard that insult since 6th form!! :signLOL:
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Could have been any tuner, I'm not fussy. Whole thread in general. I realise it's polite to throw a few 'my Dad could 'ave your Dad' and the classic 'I know you are, but what am I?'... But it's late and this needed killing off.
I won all the prizes.
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Haha... I've not heard that insult since 6th form!! :signLOL:
That was a long time ago for you .