MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: Homer on January 04, 2014, 07:35:29 pm
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I currently am at 270 and sometimes the car can struggle to put down the power. For those of you who are thinking or have gone over this BHP has your car not struggled to put all that power down? If so what was your motivation to keep increasing the power?
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The smile it puts on my face :laugh:
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If so what was your motivation to keep increasing the power?
Bragging rights... :laugh:
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^^^^ Its all about the Willy Waving!! :laugh:
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The throttle is made with a range to be used from zero position to full throttle for a reason...every high hp race car would have trouble as well if the throttle was mashed to the floor at all times, right? :cheeky: :drinking:
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From stationary it is impossible to put 300bhp down, granted.
Try putting the foot down from 30 to 70 (obviously it would be naughty to go any faster! :ashamed:). That's when you can use it. :evilgrin:
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...to 3rd gear and beyond!...
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From stationary it is impossible to put 300bhp down, granted.
Try putting the foot down from 30 to 70 (obviously it would be naughty to go any faster! :ashamed:). That's when you can use it. :evilgrin:
Yeap, I agree.
Once rolling there's a lot there, just pulls and pulls and pulls. With the right handling mods you'll also reduce the wheel hop and keep more of those ponies firmly planted to the floor on take off.
Mine will happily wheel spin in 3rd if provoked and in the wet if you get remotely trigger happy it gets fun VERY quickly.
:happy2:
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If you fit an LSD you can put more power down more of the time, it's no miracle worker though. Linear throttle mapping would make the car easy to drive with big power too :happy2:
It's all about applying the right amount of throttle at the right time.
Some people have gone 4WD to aid traction although it spoils the chuckability of the car and the car feels very "safe". This is why the GTI gets better reviews than the Audi S3.
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The throttle is made with a range to be used from zero position to full throttle for a reason...every high hp race car would have trouble as well if the throttle was mashed to the floor at all times, right? :cheeky: :drinking:
Is it not an On/Off switch?
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4th gear wheel spin makes vcds logging on the wet near impossible. I went for 235 width tyres but it still spins in 4th :fighting:
Don't get me wrong I love the K04 and I mainly wanted it for higher speed acceleration rather than traffic light Grand Prix.
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What tyres you running, nankangs ditchfinders? :grin:
Get some Semi Slicks on there and wave bye bye to wheel spin. Awesome in the dry and if you get a decent semi slick they are great in the wet as well. I have ran the 595 RS-Rs in some pretty extreme wet weather trackdays where many cars on road tyres were serverely struggling and was blown away by how well they performed.
If you want big power in a fwd car you have toaccept you need very grippy tyres that wont last a huge amount of time.
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The throttle is made with a range to be used from zero position to full throttle for a reason...every high hp race car would have trouble as well if the throttle was mashed to the floor at all times, right? :cheeky: :drinking:
Is it not an On/Off switch?
For some, yes :happy2:
Back in the seventies we would drive from town to the house with the switch turned on
for the whole route in a 1974 civic and a 1978 golf/rabbit :drinking:
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I wouldn't do over 300bhp again in a fwd. Admittedly it is fun, but over 350bhp the car ends up going slower over a 1/4 mile unless you do a cage and slicks.
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300-350 is perfectly fine in the dry. In the wet however it's a different story. Mines ONLY running 311 and lights up the tyres for fun in the wet in a straight line. Add a bend into the equation and it gets much worse. Same with everything, you learn to temper your right foot accordingly.
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What tyres you running, nankangs ditchfinders? :grin:
Get some Semi Slicks on there and wave bye bye to wheel spin. Awesome in the dry and if you get a decent semi slick they are great in the wet as well. I have ran the 595 RS-Rs in some pretty extreme wet weather trackdays where many cars on road tyres were serverely struggling and was blown away by how well they performed.
If you want big power in a fwd car you have toaccept you need very grippy tyres that wont last a huge amount of time.
Michelin PS3's.
I'm gonna to try Good year F1s next, semi slicks wear too quick.
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As a compromise between track and road try yoko ad08
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I wouldn't do over 300bhp again in a fwd. Admittedly it is fun, but over 350bhp the car ends up going slower over a 1/4 mile unless you do a cage and slicks.
A cage? Not really going to help in a straight line
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As a compromise between track and road try yoko ad08
My 595 rsr's lasted around 6k and that included a couple trackdays
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I wouldn't do over 300bhp again in a fwd. Admittedly it is fun, but over 350bhp the car ends up going slower over a 1/4 mile unless you do a cage and slicks.
Who does a 1/4 mile??? :P
On track over 350 in a fwd really makes it fun to do track days, you have to use your head to get the best but no trouble in getting the power down with the right tyres. :happy2:
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Agreed. How a car performs up the strip is irrelevant to anything other than the traffic light gram prix.
I still think 300-330hp is the optimum though
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I wouldn't do over 300bhp again in a fwd. Admittedly it is fun, but over 350bhp the car ends up going slower over a 1/4 mile unless you do a cage and slicks.
A cage? Not really going to help in a straight line
But you have to run a cage if you run slicks on at the Pod - rulez iz rulez. :wink:
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I love the new power...even on Sumitomo HTR ZIII's
I just went from 0 to 120 mph in 13.3 seconds with the new tune...down from 15.8 seconds w/giac :happy2:
Granted, to avoid wheel spin I cannot give it full throttle until 50 to 55 mph...
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Big power on a FWD car is obviously going be difficult at times but when you get that big stupid grin on your face it's worth it.
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Big power on a FWD car is obviously going be difficult at times but when you get that big stupid grin on your face it's worth it.
^ THIS...ABSOLUTELY, THIS!
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Not sure but I have 360BHP mapped by r tech and even of the line I get very slight wheelspin and its off, not sure about 0-60 though, also for the bends I have eibscj lowering springs and rear anti roll bar it is excellent in the bends.
What tyres you using up front? Also got to say ever since changing all my bushes to poly at the front has made the biggest difference
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So far...I run my Sumitomo HTR ZIII. I was nearing the point of new bushings, but some off-road damage caused me to replace them all under a claim with the Ins. Co..
I was planning to use a Whiteline bush kit...got any other suggestions available in the US?
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So far...I run my Sumitomo HTR ZIII. I was nearing the point of new bushings, but some off-road damage caused me to replace them all under a claim with the Ins. Co..
I was planning to use a Whiteline bush kit...got any other suggestions available in the US?
Superpro :happy2:
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Big power on a FWD car is obviously going be difficult at times but when you get that big stupid grin on your face it's worth it.
500+bhp on a 4WD puts an even bigger smile on your face. :wink:
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Big power on a FWD car is obviously going be difficult at times but when you get that big stupid grin on your face it's worth it.
500+bhp on a 4WD puts an even bigger smile on your face. :wink:
John you need to update your sig. :smiley:
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Big power on a FWD car is obviously going be difficult at times but when you get that big stupid grin on your face it's worth it.
500+bhp on a 4WD puts an even bigger smile on your face. :wink:
John you need to update your sig. :smiley:
I'm still on Stage 3 for both. Do you mean pop in the 500+bhp? :wink:
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Try putting the foot down from 30 to 70 ... That's when you can use it. :evilgrin:
^ This.
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...to 3rd gear and beyond!...
^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^
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Did you all see the Cupra's new fwd record?
Nice job....
http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/seat-leon-cupra-nurburgring-lap-time-2014-03-02
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Did you all see the Cupra's new fwd record?
Nice job....
http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/seat-leon-cupra-nurburgring-lap-time-2014-03-02
Yep, they did stretch the rules a little though.....air con removed, performance pack added, which meant better brakes and better tyres. :happy2:
Still a very good time though.
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No...they wouldn't! :scared:
Yes, when you look at the list of records. They stand ahead of some monsters :happy2:
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My old ST was fitted with an electronic torque limiter in first and second to aid traction and protect driveshafts. Unless I was being an absolute hooligan or it was wet i very rarely got any spin, even with TC off.
I'd love to get my golf to the same level, I can see DSG making it even more awesome.
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I wouldn't do over 300bhp again in a fwd. Admittedly it is fun, but over 350bhp the car ends up going slower over a 1/4 mile unless you do a cage and slicks.
Only because your sole drive is 0-60 and 1/4 times. Nothing wrong with 300+ in fwd for normal use.
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I wouldn't do over 300bhp again in a fwd. Admittedly it is fun, but over 350bhp the car ends up going slower over a 1/4 mile unless you do a cage and slicks.
Only because your sole drive is 0-60 and 1/4 times. Nothing wrong with 300+ in fwd for normal use.
I agree.
I ran nearly 400hp in a FWD for years and it was great for everything apart from 1/4 runs.
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I wouldn't do over 300bhp again in a fwd. Admittedly it is fun, but over 350bhp the car ends up going slower over a 1/4 mile unless you do a cage and slicks.
Only because your sole drive is 0-60 and 1/4 times. Nothing wrong with 300+ in fwd for normal use.
I agree.
I ran nearly 400hp in a FWD for years and it was great for everything apart from 1/4 runs.
How is the Leon running Dan - Up for 30-130 again this year (if it goes ahead?)
Back on topic. .....
I ran plenty of trackdays in the ED 30 and loved them all, but I wouldn't go BT and fwd. Dan should be with me on this one as he actually converted his Leon to 4WD.
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I have over 370bhp through my front wheels and it puts the power down well. In the wet, coming out of corners (unless you have a good diff) and standing starts does 4wd come into its own. Once rolling a 4wd car with equal power is actually a bit slower.
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I have over 370bhp through my front wheels and it puts the power down well. In the wet, coming out of corners (unless you have a good diff) and standing starts does 4wd come into its own. Once rolling a 4wd car with equal power is actually a bit slower.
This! Friend has a scooby, he wins off the line even with my diff etc etc. However he admits I do pull on him mid range and leave him top end. He's running 10 bhp than me at 370, but same torque.
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This is why with 4WD you just simply add more power that a Fwd wouldn't be able to cope with. :wink:
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My thoughts are a 300bhp GTI with WALK (or equivalent), engine mounts, decent tyres (GY F1's), lowered and importantly: LINEAR THROTTLE MAPPING, would be great fun to drive. Even better with LSD!
You could use most of the power most of the time and have a lot of fun whilst doing so :driver:
The Golf R and S3 as standard are very "safe" but not very exciting, 260ish bhp is EASY for the 4WD system to handle day to day so you need to ramp it up to high 300's or into the 400bhp range to liven it up, get the tail out etc :happy2:
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My thoughts are a 300bhp GTI with WALK (or equivalent), engine mounts, decent tyres (GY F1's), lowered and importantly: LINEAR THROTTLE MAPPING, would be great fun to drive. Even better with LSD!
You could use most of the power most of the time and have a lot of fun whilst doing so :driver:
The Golf R and S3 as standard are very "safe" but not very exciting, 260ish bhp is EASY for the 4WD system to handle day to day so you need to ramp it up to high 300's or into the 400bhp range to liven it up, get the tail out etc :happy2:
Exactly. Or in hurdys case...500+ :grin:
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This is why with 4WD you just simply add more power that a Fwd wouldn't be able to cope with. :wink:
lol didn't see this cheeky boy!
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0-60 times mean nothing to me, I can't say i've ever hoofed my car in first gear, second gear onwards is where the fun is
In the dry I spin in second, but third and fourth are ok
Got some Assy 2's ready to go on and then the usual ARBs, coilover/springs, SALK, diff etc will follow
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must admit though my cupra stage 2+ 370 bhp was quicker than my evo 8 410 bhp until over say 100mph and standing starts
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must admit though my cupra stage 2+ 370 bhp was quicker than my evo 8 410 bhp until over say 100mph and standing starts
Interesting that mate. I'd have thought it would be the other way around. As in the evo slowing down due to transmission losses after 100.
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must admit though my cupra stage 2+ 370 bhp was quicker than my evo 8 410 bhp until over say 100mph and standing starts
Interesting that mate. I'd have thought it would be the other way around. As in the evo slowing down due to transmission losses after 100.
never noticed my evo slowing down lol,maybe when you take your foot off the accelerator hehe
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My 362 hp ed30 felt quicker than mymates 403 hp evo in gears deffo....
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My 362 hp ed30 felt quicker than mymates 403 hp evo in gears deffo....
Yeah I'd have thought so too
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With 360bhp and linear throttle mapping it copes perfectly well, depending on driver throttle inputs - you just need to learn the car and know when you can apply full throttle. I would tend to agree with hurdy though in the sense that a big turbo on this car would be wasted money, however going down this route again if still be looking to achieve 360 ish bhp - it suits the cars ability a well with a few choice mods.
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With 360bhp and linear throttle mapping it copes perfectly well, depending on driver throttle inputs - you just need to learn the car and know when you can apply full throttle. I would tend to agree with hurdy though in the sense that a big turbo on this car would be wasted money, however going down this route again if still be looking to achieve 360 ish bhp - it suits the cars ability a well with a few choice mods.
^^^^ This.
My Eddy is very docile with its linear map both while pottling around town or plodding along the motorway. Its when pushing on HARD you start to think........mmmmmm 4WD would be nice.
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I have a MK2 16v which has 205 bhp and just overb 160lbs of torque....I run it with Dunlop D01J's or Yoko Advans. It weigh's just over 1000kg with seats out on low fuel.....and I use absolutely 100% of it's power pretty much 100% of the time lap after lap at Combe and I manage to pedal it at 1.21-1.22 per lap on a nice warmish day when the tyres are at their optimum.
I have never replicated these times in my Edition running stage 2 power (on my old car) but mainly this is down to two things....brakes and a differential. Even running 330+ bhp means careful management of these power levels.It is crucial to get the full benefit of these power levels adding in these items. Boost out of corners using the diff can be better modulated to maximise traction especially on Inters. I also ran the Edition on Inter's but I only ever managed to get to within 2-3 seconds of my valver. Much of the time lost was also heat soak due to lack of a big I/C and big brakes where you leave braking very late.
I have just brought the MK2 out of hibernation for the summer and will look forward to the summer track season. My view now in hindsight over my old Edition is keep it at stage 1 and with the handling enhancements I may put the big brake kit on but leave it at that for road use only. It is such a big investment that will necessiate a clutch, diff, APR fuel pump, exhaust new mapping, intercooler, VWR intake, runner flap delete etc + labour and this all adds up to £8-9k with the brakes!! It's just not worth it for a 50bhp upgrade....it's dead money on resale and the costs don't add up in my book. In it's current form running 310+ it's good enough.
As Hurdy states going over 300bhp to benefit 4wd going 400bhp you really will notice the difference.....bit like going from standard on an Edition 30 to stage 1 such is the gain.
I may change to an SQ5 and just keep the MK2 as my fun car although if I wanted massive pound per buck I'd take a GTR .
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I have a MK2 16v which has 205 bhp and just overb 160lbs of torque....I run it with Dunlop D01J's or Yoko Advans. It weigh's just over 1000kg with seats out on low fuel.....and I use absolutely 100% of it's power pretty much 100% of the time lap after lap at Combe and I manage to pedal it at 1.21-1.22 per lap on a nice warmish day when the tyres are at their optimum.
I have never replicated these times in my Edition running stage 2 power (on my old car) but mainly this is down to two things....brakes and a differential. Even running 330+ bhp means careful management of these power levels.It is crucial to get the full benefit of these power levels adding in these items. Boost out of corners using the diff can be better modulated to maximise traction especially on Inters. I also ran the Edition on Inter's but I only ever managed to get to within 2-3 seconds of my valver. Much of the time lost was also heat soak due to lack of a big I/C and big brakes where you leave braking very late.
I have just brought the MK2 out of hibernation for the summer and will look forward to the summer track season. My view now in hindsight over my old Edition is keep it at stage 1 and with the handling enhancements I may put the big brake kit on but leave it at that for road use only. It is such a big investment that will necessiate a clutch, diff, APR fuel pump, exhaust new mapping, intercooler, VWR intake, runner flap delete etc + labour and this all adds up to £8-9k with the brakes!! It's just not worth it for a 50bhp upgrade....it's dead money on resale and the costs don't add up in my book. In it's current form running 310+ it's good enough.
As Hurdy states going over 300bhp to benefit 4wd going 400bhp you really will notice the difference.....bit like going from standard on an Edition 30 to stage 1 such is the gain.
I may change to an SQ5 and just keep the MK2 as my fun car although if I wanted massive pound per buck I'd take a GTR .
Do you have linear throttle mapping on your Ed30? that should help to make it more managable
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I have a MK2 16v which has 205 bhp and just overb 160lbs of torque....I run it with Dunlop D01J's or Yoko Advans. It weigh's just over 1000kg with seats out on low fuel.....and I use absolutely 100% of it's power pretty much 100% of the time lap after lap at Combe and I manage to pedal it at 1.21-1.22 per lap on a nice warmish day when the tyres are at their optimum.
I have never replicated these times in my Edition running stage 2 power (on my old car) but mainly this is down to two things....brakes and a differential. Even running 330+ bhp means careful management of these power levels.It is crucial to get the full benefit of these power levels adding in these items. Boost out of corners using the diff can be better modulated to maximise traction especially on Inters. I also ran the Edition on Inter's but I only ever managed to get to within 2-3 seconds of my valver. Much of the time lost was also heat soak due to lack of a big I/C and big brakes where you leave braking very late.
I have just brought the MK2 out of hibernation for the summer and will look forward to the summer track season. My view now in hindsight over my old Edition is keep it at stage 1 and with the handling enhancements I may put the big brake kit on but leave it at that for road use only. It is such a big investment that will necessiate a clutch, diff, APR fuel pump, exhaust new mapping, intercooler, VWR intake, runner flap delete etc + labour and this all adds up to £8-9k with the brakes!! It's just not worth it for a 50bhp upgrade....it's dead money on resale and the costs don't add up in my book. In it's current form running 310+ it's good enough.
As Hurdy states going over 300bhp to benefit 4wd going 400bhp you really will notice the difference.....bit like going from standard on an Edition 30 to stage 1 such is the gain.
I may change to an SQ5 and just keep the MK2 as my fun car although if I wanted massive pound per buck I'd take a GTR .
Do you have linear throttle mapping on your Ed30? that should help to make it more managable
Yes I believe so...it was done by GTI Engineering before I bought the car off a chap in F1. It feels super smooth and easily as good if not better than my old APR Stage 1 map some years ago on my first Ed30.
Having a large spike in torque at the beginning of the delivery doesn't help traction....it just overwhelm's the front end. However on track with big traction from Inter's I found the Edition much better and could easily cope with 360+ with a good diff, Inter's and good camber adjustment. I had everything bar the diff.....it's a worthwhile investment. I've got a make a decision whether to go the whole hog and track the Edition regularly or just invest that money into something else.
My local stealer is trying to get me into their Golf R demo at the end of the month!! Interested in this but also have the RS4 / TTRS/ or B8S4 E92 M3 itch as well.A GTR would be nice but not right now. As for the best overall track car of these I suspect the M3 and TTRS may be slugging it out. RS4 is a bit heavy but I just love the look of them and all weather capability.
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must admit though my cupra stage 2+ 370 bhp was quicker than my evo 8 410 bhp until over say 100mph and standing starts
370hp cupra faster to 100 then a 400hp evo? no chance.. cupra would be abit quicker after 100 possibly
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must admit though my cupra stage 2+ 370 bhp was quicker than my evo 8 410 bhp until over say 100mph and standing starts
370hp cupra faster to 100 then a 400hp evo? no chance.. cupra would be abit quicker after 100 possibly
The way I read it his cupra is slower at standing starts and over 100 mph?
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must admit though my cupra stage 2+ 370 bhp was quicker than my evo 8 410 bhp until over say 100mph and standing starts
370hp cupra faster to 100 then a 400hp evo? no chance.. cupra would be abit quicker after 100 possibly
The way I read it his cupra is slower at standing starts and over 100 mph?
missed the standing starts bit.. but anywhere upto a 100 a cupra would struggle against a 400+ evo
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I must admitt I much prefer circuit driving rather than 1/4 sprints which I find boring and cruel to the car and transmission.
A good trackday is a far better representation of a car's ability as although sprinting gives a indication's of acceleration and outright power/weight advantage in a straight line. I get much more of a buzz pedaling against much more exotic machinery on a good track event.
I agree that a 400bhp Evo will wipe the floor against a Cupra to 100 mph.
Anyone seen Auto Express video review of the Golf R V Cupra R on circuit....very interesting.
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I must admitt I much prefer circuit driving rather than 1/4 sprints which I find boring and cruel to the car and transmission.
A good trackday is a far better representation of a car's ability as although sprinting gives a indication's of acceleration and outright power/weight advantage in a straight line. I get much more of a buzz pedaling against much more exotic machinery on a good track event.
I agree that a 400bhp Evo will wipe the floor against a Cupra to 100 mph.
Anyone seen Auto Express video review of the Golf R V Cupra R on circuit....very interesting.
Yeah I put a link on the main section and got moaned at by someone being sour cos a poor mans VW is actually quicker thank proper one lol
I am the same as you mate, 0-60 doesn't bother me. I never boot my car in first, I'd rather hoof it around a track than do 1/4 sprints. Yaaaaaawn
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I must admitt I much prefer circuit driving rather than 1/4 sprints which I find boring and cruel to the car and transmission.
A good trackday is a far better representation of a car's ability as although sprinting gives a indication's of acceleration and outright power/weight advantage in a straight line. I get much more of a buzz pedaling against much more exotic machinery on a good track event.
I agree that a 400bhp Evo will wipe the floor against a Cupra to 100 mph.
Anyone seen Auto Express video review of the Golf R V Cupra R on circuit....very interesting.
Yeah I put a link on the main section and got moaned at by someone being sour cos a poor mans VW is actually quicker thank proper one lol
I am the same as you mate, 0-60 doesn't bother me. I never boot my car in first, I'd rather hoof it around a track than do 1/4 sprints. Yaaaaaawn
There seems to be a fair majority of 1/4 supporters on here.....in fact there doesn't seem to be many users on this site unlike 3-4 yrs ago.....I note there is quite low activity and new posts on here....where have all the owners gone....MK6 nad now 7??
A few DSG owners on here doing some big turbo builds for 1/4 mile sprinting. Other than that there doesn't seem like of hardcore track enthusiasts like on other forums I could mention.
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I must admitt I much prefer circuit driving rather than 1/4 sprints which I find boring and cruel to the car and transmission.
A good trackday is a far better representation of a car's ability as although sprinting gives a indication's of acceleration and outright power/weight advantage in a straight line. I get much more of a buzz pedaling against much more exotic machinery on a good track event.
I agree that a 400bhp Evo will wipe the floor against a Cupra to 100 mph.
Anyone seen Auto Express video review of the Golf R V Cupra R on circuit....very interesting.
Yeah I put a link on the main section and got moaned at by someone being sour cos a poor mans VW is actually quicker thank proper one lol
I am the same as you mate, 0-60 doesn't bother me. I never boot my car in first, I'd rather hoof it around a track than do 1/4 sprints. Yaaaaaawn
There seems to be a fair majority of 1/4 supporters on here.....in fact there doesn't seem to be many users on this site unlike 3-4 yrs ago.....I note there is quite low activity and new posts on here....where have all the owners gone....MK6 nad now 7??
A few DSG owners on here doing some big turbo builds for 1/4 mile sprinting. Other than that there doesn't seem like of hardcore track enthusiasts like on other forums I could mention.
True
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I'm waiting till the engine is built before I go honing it on track. I probably visited most of the UK tracks for trackdays as well as Nurburgring and Spa visits in my old ED30. The R will be the same soon. :happy2:
Until then straight line sprints will do and they are the benchmark for performance. The Nurburgring is the benchmark for handling and that is on my radar.
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I'm going "Stage2+" on mine later this month, I will report my experinces.
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I find mine ok with big turbo and only had minimal chassis mods last time it was on the road without a quaife! over 300+ with k04 is more aggressive low down.. big turbo is smoother and more progressive
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Depends on the mapping also?