MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => How to Guides / Troubleshooting => Topic started by: RedRobin on September 23, 2009, 10:36:46 am
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So who has successfully fitted one of these according to BSH's instructions which don't accommodate the 'charcoal cannister' nor access to the aircon taps without the BSH removal?
Mine was fitted today and we were far from happy with BSH's instructions for location - BS for Bull Sh!t quite frankly! So after much experimentation we decided a different location but one which will still allow every type of air intake to be accommodated except the Forge Twintercooler - Oh, and the ITG if the production version has that 'wall'.
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^ BSH have totally ignored the fact that GTI's outside the U S of A have a 'charcoal box' and they have also ignored the fact that occasionally a VW mechanic will need access to the aircon taps. When you assemble it with pipes and bracket it simply won't fit the space satisfactorily.
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^ We also improved it by changing the fixing to Allen key plus nut - This will make it much easier to undo the Bull Sh!t Holder's CatchCan's retaining strap.
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^ That connection on the right was difficult to seat properly in the extreme - Literally finger ripping!
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Why have you posted this twice Robin :confused:
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Why have you posted this twice Robin :confused:
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1 - To add useful information to stokeballoon's thread on the subject of alternative locations.
2 - As a separate thread to bring helpful information to others who are about to try to install this according to BSH's instructions. Leaving my post only in stokeballoon's thread would most likely bury it.
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Fine, I will remove your post from the other thread as it is pointless if it is going to get buried anyway.
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:grin: :grin:
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Fine, I will remove your post from the other thread as it is pointless if it is going to get buried anyway.
....Quite unnecessary to remove it imo - Afterall my post does illustrate another alternative under the heading of alternatives.
:grin: :grin:
....What you grinning about, Joe?
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robin,
mines is fitted just to the left of the charcoal canister next to the washer fluid cap, fits snuggly in there and still allows acces to the aircon taps.
I only have the standard bsh catch can not the large volume one which I doubt would fit there.
JKM also used some of the cut off piping which came with the forge twintercooler to go around the catch can so it does not make any rattling noises.
Wil get some pics up later if get a chance.
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Steves post, he obviously woke on the wrong side this mornin :signLOL:
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Thanks, James :drinking:
I didn't think mine was the larger volume tank (it wasn't what I ordered).
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no probs robin
from your pics it looks like you have the standard size can.
so if you plan to get the forge twintake or itg one then you can always move the can to the other side.
will get pics up this weekend to show where mine is :happy2:
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who fitted it?
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who fitted it?
....Hi Mat, if you're asking me - VWR fitted it with me in attendance as usual.
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Robin,
Have you run your hoses to the correct fittings?
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The reason I ask, is in this ^^^^^ pic the Right hand hose is routed in front of the left, and out to the right of the pic towards the catch tank.
So you would expect the Right hand hose to be the lower of the 2 hoses in this pic below (ie the lower hose in the pic)
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The lower hose in the 2nd pic which you expect to be attached to the right hand union in the first pic, unless they
cross over each other again out of sight.
In the BSN instructions http://www.bshspeedshop.com/instructions/fsi_catch_can.pdf (http://www.bshspeedshop.com/instructions/fsi_catch_can.pdf) it states the following......
Step 6: Now run your lines. The fitting on the right side of the plate will be connected to
the top of the catch can. The fitting on the left will go to the lower fitting on the can.
Leave just a little bit of slack to allow for engine movement. Once cut to length, secure
the lines with the supplied hose clamps.
With the following pic copied from the above fitting instructions (hope you don't mind MR BSH) it shows the right hand union hose runs behind the left to the upper catch can union.
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Just noticed it, and I hope all is correct.
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Robin,
Have you run your hoses to the correct fittings?
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The reason I ask, is in this ^^^^^ pic the Right hand hose is routed in front of the left, and out to the right of the pic towards the catch tank.
So you would expect the Right hand hose to be the lower of the 2 hoses in this pic below (ie the lower hose in the pic)
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The lower hose in the 2nd pic which you expect to be attached to the right hand union in the first pic, unless they
cross over each other again out of sight.
In the BSN instructions http://www.bshspeedshop.com/instructions/fsi_catch_can.pdf (http://www.bshspeedshop.com/instructions/fsi_catch_can.pdf) it states the following......
Step 6: Now run your lines. The fitting on the right side of the plate will be connected to
the top of the catch can. The fitting on the left will go to the lower fitting on the can.
Leave just a little bit of slack to allow for engine movement. Once cut to length, secure
the lines with the supplied hose clamps.
....Very good of you to ask the question, Dave :drinking:.
And they do appear to be INCORRECTLY fitted if you check out the lettering to identify the hoses: The left-hand union hose appears to be connected to the top of the catch can : -
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I best double-check and possibly swop them over ASAP - Do I need a special tool for those spring clips?
I've driven 170 miles like this - How important are those hose feed positions?
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I've driven 170 miles like this - How important are those hose feed positions?
You won't do any damage to your engine with the hoses the way they are.
fwiw with the first can version with the steel wool inside, the advice from BSH regarding the "freezing contents" problem that occured in the depths of the North American winter was to route the hoses like you have instead of the other way.
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I've driven 170 miles like this - How important are those hose feed positions?
You won't do any damage to your engine with the hoses the way they are.
fwiw with the first can version with the steel wool inside, the advice from BSH regarding the "freezing contents" problem that occured in the depths of the North American winter was to route the hoses like you have instead of the other way.
Good to know Mr Baccillus. Thanks for the insight. Good news RR.
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I am really confused Robin why did you not fit it in the same place as everyone else has on here. :chicken:
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I am really confused Robin why did you not fit it in the same place as everyone else has on here. :chicken:
Maybe VWR weren't happy with the can positioned on the driver's side...
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i ve got mine today , not sure its all there cause got no parts list or any fitting instructions !!!!!!!!! :rolleye: i m not too impressed
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i ve got mine today , not sure its all there cause got no parts list or any fitting instructions !!!!!!!!! :rolleye: i m not too impressed
Probably best to talk to Dubtek before you start assuming the worst! :confused: :chicken:
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i have !you dont get instructions !!!!!!!!!told me to go to bshspeedshop.com !!!!!!!!!!!
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No instructions or list of contents in mine either. So I downloaded from the BSH site and printed them.
It's not a big deal but I have to say it's not very professional of BSH.
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Large amount of cans ordered at a great price and turned around pretty quickly considering they came from the states.
There's no pleasing some people! :chicken:
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Large amount of cans ordered at a great price and turned around pretty quickly considering they came from the states.
There's no pleasing some people! :chicken:
Well said Nath :congrats:
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slightly offtopic and sorry if its been mentioned but where did you get the black washer cap and coolant cap :confused:
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Large amount of cans ordered at a great price and turned around pretty quickly considering they came from the states.
There's no pleasing some people! :chicken:
....I'm not sure if you are directing that comment at myself or candy turbo, or both of us.
Definitely a good discount but all credit to Dubtek rather than BSH.
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slightly offtopic and sorry if its been mentioned but where did you get the black washer cap and coolant cap :confused:
....No problem - I tend to get asked everytime I post a pic showing them. Anodised aluminium and not cheap but they are the first stage of something else I'm doing in that area (hence the problem with fitting my BSH can low enough in that area).
Linky : - JCaps Online Store.... (http://jcapsonline.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=53&Itemid=1&vmcchk=1&Itemid=91) - The guy is very friendly and efficient.
Here's a better pic : -
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You won't do any damage to your engine with the hoses the way they are.
fwiw with the first can version with the steel wool inside, the advice from BSH regarding the "freezing contents" problem that occured in the depths of the North American winter was to route the hoses like you have instead of the other way.
....Are you sure, bacillus? If mine is wrong to the current instructions I think I'll be swopping them over after checking to see.
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I am really confused Robin why did you not fit it in the same place as everyone else has on here. :chicken:
Maybe VWR weren't happy with the can positioned on the driver's side...
....Well, they didn't think it was ideal in that position and tricky to empty without removal first, plus I wanted it low if in that position due to other plans in that area.
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You won't do any damage to your engine with the hoses the way they are.
fwiw with the first can version with the steel wool inside, the advice from BSH regarding the "freezing contents" problem that occured in the depths of the North American winter was to route the hoses like you have instead of the other way.
....Are you sure, bacillus? If mine is wrong to the current instructions I think I'll be swopping them over after checking to see.
Yes, do switch the hoses as my original reply was simply meant to ease your fears that you may have done some harm by having your hoses reversed.
fwiw my buddy in the US ran his hoses like yours for a few thousand miles till I pointed out to him that they were not correctly routed. His car ran perfectly (with alot of logging done). He has now changed the hose positions.
Having your hoses reversed makes the catch can less efficient but not harmful provided there's little content in the can and the vapours/gases can still freely recirculate.
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Just to clarify this lads.. from the block.. the right sided hose goes to the top of the catch can & the left sided hose goes to the side of the can?
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Just to clarify this lads.. from the block.. the right sided hose goes to the top of the catch can & the left sided hose goes to the side of the can?
Correct. :smiley:
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SteveP's pic shows the hose routes very well : -
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Another SteveP's pic shows that it will fit but it's too high for my future plans and also covers an aircon tap : -
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But he's obviously happy with the location so no problem for him.
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Having spent time exploring alternative positions for this BSH CatchCan, I'm wondering why this kit could not have had a tank with less depth (overall top to bottom measurement). I think this would have offered more fitting options. But there may be good reasons which I'm not party to.
I also can't help thinking that BSH have not sufficiently considered how their product would apply to the whole 2.0T FSI platform and across world territories. Typical American isolationism?
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The "problem" BSH had was that all the US cars come without the charcoal cannister and the product was initially only designed for those cars. Although not in the instructions, cars with the cannister were presumed to have the can mounted like VWR have done for you.
The fact that you can now mount the can out of the box on the driver's side lis a result of a small change in the design of the bracket that supports the can.
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The "problem" BSH had was that all the US cars come without the charcoal cannister and the product was initially only designed for those cars. Although not in the instructions, cars with the cannister were presumed to have the can mounted like VWR have done for you.
The fact that you can now mount the can out of the box on the driver's side lis a result of a small change in the design of the bracket that supports the can.
is it illegal or possible even for us to remove the charcol canister
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You can remove the cannister but it's part of the EU emmissions directive for our cars. Whether your car will pass the MOT without it, I don't know.
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You can remove the cannister but it's part of the EU emmissions directive for our cars. Whether your car will pass the MOT without it, I don't know.
pah.. detting a de cat soon anyway..
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The "problem" BSH had was that all the US cars come without the charcoal cannister and the product was initially only designed for those cars. Although not in the instructions, cars with the cannister were presumed to have the can mounted like VWR have done for you.
The fact that you can now mount the can out of the box on the driver's side lis a result of a small change in the design of the bracket that supports the can.
....Understood. I guess that as a (retired) designer my approach would have been to maximise the sales potential of my product by considering its world market.
You can remove the cannister but it's part of the EU emmissions directive for our cars. Whether your car will pass the MOT without it, I don't know.
....I've been advised that the car would definitely fail the MOT without the charcoal cannister. I had asked if it could be removed.
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....I've been advised that the car would definitely fail the MOT without the charcoal cannister. I had asked if it could be removed.
hmm might as well make the most of it then... im currently producing some charcol canister covers like the forge one..
it wont be £96 tho !!
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Hi guys, just thought Id make our presence known over here. If anyone ever has questions on our products please always feel free to email us (call too but its cheaper to email) at tech@bshspeedshop.com. We will be more then happy to answer any questions you might have.
RedRobin, I see you posting on the US GolfMKV all the time, why you chose not to contact me but instead presume we dont care about you because we are American is beyond me... IM, Email, Carrier Pigeon, whatever just dont ignore something that could of been discussed. Our parts are designed predominantly for the US market. This is for obvious reasons, however as our products continue to gain popularity in the world market we'd have to be crazy to ignore little changes to enhance our product fitments. Its just not as easy as borrowing or going to the dealer and buying a car anymore. As our relationships solidify with our growing dealer network these types of processes will become streamlined, until then, its something we work towards everyday.
Thank you all for supporting Dubtek in the group buy, he has been a great asset to our organization.
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RedRobin, I see you posting on the US GolfMKV all the time, why you chose not to contact me but instead presume we dont care about you because we are American is beyond me... IM, Email, Carrier Pigeon, whatever just dont ignore something that could of been discussed. Our parts are designed predominantly for the US market.
....Not so. I only post on the US GolfMKV occasionally (and, as I recall, when I have asked you questions in that forum I sometimes haven't had replies). It's got nothing to do whether you are American or Chinese or anything else.
But that doesn't matter. I'm glad you have registered here and can take onboard some feedback :drinking: