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All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: Gman30 on January 13, 2014, 04:07:36 pm

Title: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: Gman30 on January 13, 2014, 04:07:36 pm: Hi all,

As the thread title says! Pro's and Cons...

What do you guys think?

I like the switchable Idea of APR plus all the other gizmo's!!

But is it worth the extra cost?

Anyone tried both ?

:happy2:
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: Pikey Motorsports on January 13, 2014, 04:15:26 pm: you will just get people telling you to get what they got mate.. me personally i dont like apr's software

i would choose r-tech, mrc, revo and you will be absoulutley over the moon with any of those i can gaurantee giac are also good

for the price of an r-tech map though you cant go wrong
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on January 13, 2014, 04:16:38 pm: Quote from: Gman30 on January 13, 2014, 04:07:36 pm
Hi all,

As the thread title says! Pro's and Cons...

What do you guys think?

I like the switchable Idea of APR plus all the other gizmo's!!

But is it worth the extra cost?

Anyone tried both ?

:happy2:

You will get pretty much the same output from either. Nick @ R-Tech tweaks each map to the modifications you have on your car by means of dynoing, adjusting, more dynoing until it is right. He won't let you go unless you are happy. He does a full health check too - if you decide to go to APR then make sure your dealer does this too.

R-tech do switchable mapping too :happy2:

So to summarise: you will get the same(ish) result from either, a full health check and a lifetime of aftercare from R-Tech, switchable mapping at both, and R-Tech is significantly cheaper.

Hard to do pro's and cons as the pro's are the same for both. Only cons could be distance to R-Tech dependant on where you live, or price of APR (especially as you don't really get much more on the face of it)

Try a search on Google or the forum for more responses but I doubt you will hear a bad word about either of your choices.

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,62987.0.html

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,65077.0.html
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: N8KOW on January 13, 2014, 04:26:57 pm: Shark :happy2:
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: rich83 on January 13, 2014, 04:35:58 pm: REVO or R-Tech... you pays your money you takes your choice!
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: cageman86 on January 13, 2014, 04:47:35 pm: R-Tech for the following reasons...

1. You will struggle to find a bad word about them, I searched to a tuner for months and nothing but good words about R-Tech.
2. At the time I got my car mapped by them they were ATLEAST £300 cheaper than AMD who are 5 mins from where I live and have nowhere near the reputation on forums etc that R-Tech have.
3. Niki is a genius, simple as, I have him on facebook and everyday he's mapping cars and producing amazing figures, he wont take your money and map your car dangerously, it will all be well within its limits and will provide nothing but 1st class aftersales if you do have a problem.
4. The drive home to wherever you live will be epic, trust me, been there done that got the t-shirt! :laugh: :driver:

All in all you cant go wrong with R-Tech, the guys know their stuff!! Only problem you might have is getting a booking soon, from what I've seen on Facebook, he's busy! and rightly so! I cant wait to go back to him for stage 2!
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: dan930 on January 14, 2014, 03:02:15 am: Quote from: Pikey Motorsports on January 13, 2014, 04:15:26 pm
you will just get people telling you to get what they got mate.. me personally i dont like apr's software

i would choose r-tech, mrc, revo and you will be absoulutley over the moon with any of those i can gaurantee giac are also good

for the price of an r-tech map though you cant go wrong

+2...
For a price of an r-tech map..u can't go wrong....try searching anything bad about r-tech on this forum..I bet u can't
Manual or Dsg??nicky can also throw in a Dsg map for u at a discount too
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: 18Edition30 on January 14, 2014, 07:07:59 pm: APR or Revo are basically the same....so just down to how far away from the dealer you are. :happy2:
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: Joesoap on January 14, 2014, 07:25:50 pm: Having dealt with Revo over the years and being in the trade I would not go Past them :happy2:

Get Her Revo'd ...and Enjoy :pomppomp:
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: D8MOA on January 14, 2014, 09:40:02 pm: i have a ED30 and i am booked in with R-tech Thursday for a stage one! AMD are about 20min away from me, i went there the other day to collect my milltek exhaust YET i still decided to book in with R-tech and a 3 hour drive there
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: Wardy91-ed30 on January 14, 2014, 10:42:44 pm: ^^
Same with me. 3hour drive from middelsbrough. Worth it :happy2:
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: Janner_Sy on January 15, 2014, 08:40:23 am: Quote from: Pikey Motorsports on January 13, 2014, 04:15:26 pm
you will just get people telling you to get what they got mate.

Peru much sums up this thread perfectly
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: Gman30 on January 15, 2014, 08:52:35 am: Anyone got the switchable option from R-Tech?

How does it work? Also interested as to the linear throttle option? - Any feed back on this from anyone?

:driver:
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: rich83 on January 15, 2014, 08:55:37 am: I'm pretty sure I've seen 1.8t switchable maps but not 2.0t. :-/
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: E30Dom on January 15, 2014, 09:45:30 am: Was VERY happy with my Revo Stage 1 map, totally transformed the car! Do not overlook them.

Stage 2+ is good too but would go R-Tech for that given time again...
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on January 15, 2014, 07:12:11 pm: Quote from: Gman30 on January 15, 2014, 08:52:35 am
Anyone got the switchable option from R-Tech?

How does it work? Also interested as to the linear throttle option? - Any feed back on this from anyone?

:driver:

Not heard any feedback on it. He will set it up and you can have a play to see what you think. The linear throttle is 1:1 where as the other mainstream tuners are not quite 1:1.

Linear throttle makes it easier to drive as to get full throttle you put your foot to the floor rather than like 1/2 way down as you do on stock throttle mapping :happy2:

Again, he will upload it and you can decide whether you want it or not
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: Leigh200sx on January 26, 2014, 06:18:23 am: I think the major difference between all these tuners is revo,amd,shark,giac,Apr and r-tech is simple only at r-tech will you get a custom wrote map specific to your car and not a generic stage file like all the others... That it self is the reason for using Niki Gower
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: Simmo on February 02, 2014, 08:58:00 am: I was thinking about a Revo map before I read the other comments on R Tech. Ive been used to the drive up quick dyno, upload the map drive off approach. After seeing the amount of precision Nick went into making sure the map was 100% I would never go back. To be honest im no expert so dont know if the APR/GIAC/Revo maps are heavily customised to meet the actual car, I guess it depends on the tuner. From past experience (not JKM btw) it wasnt.

The way the ecu is tuned to match capabilities of the hardware is as critical as oil in the engine, if its wrong you may seriously damage your drivetrain. I would always go custom every time.
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: Liam0205 on February 04, 2014, 09:09:43 pm: Sorry to hijack but how much is a stage 1 remap on a dsg edition 30? Anyone know?
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: Simmo on February 04, 2014, 09:26:41 pm: Quote from: Liam0205 on February 04, 2014, 09:09:43 pm
Sorry to hijack but how much is a stage 1 remap on a dsg edition 30? Anyone know?

Depends on where you go, R tech is 290 for stage 1. Revo i think is 500 through tuners. Dont quote me on it but the pricing is on the websites.
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: Frodo-anni on February 04, 2014, 09:43:03 pm: Revo is £499 +Vat, but they do have offers now and again for 20/30% off.
R-tech have just sent me details of £290 stage 1 & £150 for a dsg map at the same time.
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: Liam0205 on February 04, 2014, 09:49:08 pm: Quote from: Simmo on February 04, 2014, 09:26:41 pm
Quote from: Liam0205 on February 04, 2014, 09:09:43 pm
Sorry to hijack but how much is a stage 1 remap on a dsg edition 30? Anyone know?

Depends on where you go, R tech is 290 for stage 1. Revo i think is 500 through tuners. Dont quote me on it but the pricing is on the websites.

Thanks. I meant to say through r tech
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: Liam0205 on February 04, 2014, 09:51:34 pm: Quote from: Frodo-anni on February 04, 2014, 09:43:03 pm
Revo is £499 +Vat, but they do have offers now and again for 20/30% off.
R-tech have just sent me details of £290 stage 1 & £150 for a dsg map at the same time.

Thanks mate. Is the DSG remap needed when getting stage 1?
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: rich83 on February 04, 2014, 10:01:50 pm: Quote from: Liam0205 on February 04, 2014, 09:51:34 pm
Quote from: Frodo-anni on February 04, 2014, 09:43:03 pm
Revo is £499 +Vat, but they do have offers now and again for 20/30% off.
R-tech have just sent me details of £290 stage 1 & £150 for a dsg map at the same time.

Thanks mate. Is the DSG remap needed when getting stage 1?

No it isnt.

All it does it speed up the shifting, increase the clamping rate on the clutches and remove the auto up shift in Manual mode! :happy2:

... ohh.. and increase the RPM limit!
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: Msportman on February 04, 2014, 10:06:16 pm: I'm currently running a "custom* GTI Engineering / Morego map on my Ed30.

Super smooth and home of the GTI.

I have no loyalty to any one mapping company as I've had APR stage 1 , 1+ Stage 2 etc etc. This was back some 5 years ago...they have since bought several maps onto the scene to refine each code. I went with them as I know Jim at Awesome when I built a stage 3+ kit with them on a MKKIV. I also liked their R&D approach and have met Stephen Hook at a few UK track events some years ago. Their approach to hardware and engineering is of the highest engineering standards. They also own and supply Oettinger and supported VW Racing Germany and USA as well as UK.

I incidentally run Revo on our Audi A4 2 litre TDI....equally impressive.

I'm going back to APR only because I want their new stage 2+ software and RSC exhaust and VWR intake and fuel pump to complete the car. I already have a track weapon that I am yet to better with a MK5 even running 350+ bhp....a MK2 16V with "all" the right bits running 1000kg......it's the car Tim Stiles has in his GTI tuning bible that I have built with the VWR race engineers of old when TSR were building race winning VW cup cars...mine is based on one of those bar stell bottom end.

I didn't quite finished my previous Ed30 previously but this time I am going to go the whole hog...I've started with it's current set.

As for the maps they are pretty much of muchness but they do have subtle differences in delivery...I found both GTI Engineering and APR very smooth.
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: rich83 on February 04, 2014, 10:08:32 pm: You dont have to run APR software just becuase youve got their exhaust and HPFP
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: GLIDN on February 05, 2014, 03:38:11 am: Quote from: richwig83 on February 04, 2014, 10:08:32 pm
You dont have to run APR software just becuase youve got their exhaust and HPFP

you are right there,

However, their new V3.4 software for K04'd cars is seriously impressive to say the least.
Miles ahead of there V3.1 or older software.

Plus now releasing their APR Mobile device.
You will be able to fault code scanning/erasing and data logging from your cell phone via bluetooth. Also MAP switching, locking/unlocking ECU etc.

I use APR myself as I know their products well, but also have an extremely good relationship with them.

you need to look at your tuners locally, what their reputation and servicing/knowledge is.
Then go down to the point of tuning software. There after you can start deciding who you want to represent.

Looking at APR post over the years, the only 2 real things that ever got mentioned were,

1. Either too expensive!!
2. Lower power than other tuners (strangely enough APR was never slower thou, go figure)
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: Msportman on February 05, 2014, 09:41:26 pm: Quote from: GLIDN on February 05, 2014, 03:38:11 am
Quote from: richwig83 on February 04, 2014, 10:08:32 pm
You dont have to run APR software just becuase youve got their exhaust and HPFP

you are right there,

However, their new V3.4 software for K04'd cars is seriously impressive to say the least.
Miles ahead of there V3.1 or older software.

Plus now releasing their APR Mobile device.
You will be able to fault code scanning/erasing and data logging from your cell phone via bluetooth. Also MAP switching, locking/unlocking ECU etc.

I use APR myself as I know their products well, but also have an extremely good relationship with them.

you need to look at your tuners locally, what their reputation and servicing/knowledge is.
Then go down to the point of tuning software. There after you can start deciding who you want to represent.

Looking at APR post over the years, the only 2 real things that ever got mentioned were,

1. Either too expensive!!
2. Lower power than other tuners (strangely enough APR was never slower thou, go figure)

You're points at 1 and 2 are so true.

I took my old Ed30 to VWR when the were running Revo car's and they sampled my APR Stage 1 fuel pump map and their comments were that it was the nicest smoothest map they had experienced.....certainly my stage 2 car was good around Combe.
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: Poverty on February 05, 2014, 11:12:43 pm: Sorry to those running Revo, but I've tried their latest map (aswell as having had their flat spot map for 18months on my own k04 car) and the latest APR 3.4 is noticeably better than Revo. More midrange, more on top, more drivable, and smoother.

Dyno graphs seem to back that up.

Red APR, orange Revo. Correction factor applied to APR car to account for cooler temps.

Same engine same mods, comparison done at at Revo dealer.

I haven't tried r-tech but have friends who run nicks maps and they seem happy, and nick is a nice guy.

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fvv43%2Fpoverty_k1%2F55DE533F-CA1B-4FE1-8802-7EEA5C91569C_zpsuzlwqzkq.jpg&hash=3f2281f2010edf6f6ee16b8e2d4c71f7511d236f)
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: AndrewJB on February 06, 2014, 12:01:44 am: The APR car in that test, The lad who owns it was a massive REVO fanboy then he sampled a APR car and never looked back
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: robreg5 on February 21, 2014, 09:46:38 am: Personally I choose apr
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: Tamiyoman on February 24, 2014, 10:30:06 am: R-Tech, get a proper custom map from a decent bloke with a good rep rather than a generic map from a name brand cpmpany :grin:
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: GrayMK5GTI on February 24, 2014, 02:09:47 pm: Quote from: Tamiyoman on February 24, 2014, 10:30:06 am
R-Tech, get a proper custom map from a decent bloke with a good rep rather than a generic map from a name brand cpmpany :grin:

:congrats:
Title: Re: APR or R-Tech for stage 1 on my Edition 30?
Post by: greygti on February 25, 2014, 11:01:57 pm: Quote from: GrayMK5GTI on February 24, 2014, 02:09:47 pm
Quote from: Tamiyoman on February 24, 2014, 10:30:06 am
R-Tech, get a proper custom map from a decent bloke with a good rep rather than a generic map from a name brand cpmpany :grin:

:congrats:

Hahaha well said !