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All Things Mk5 => How to Guides / Troubleshooting => Topic started by: smithyc1987 on January 15, 2014, 07:41:36 pm

Title: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: smithyc1987 on January 15, 2014, 07:41:36 pm
As title my 2008 gti 55,000miles full vw history.
The idle keeps raising on its own then falling then repeating.
Heres a quick video,
Please excuse my daughter in the background.
Any help or ideas appreciated.
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt256/smithyc1987/88AC3063-E678-4BC6-98F8-2FFC844BD29E-452-000000A533839424_zpsa61ef415.mp4
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: Saintsteve on January 15, 2014, 07:56:44 pm
Blown PCV valve  :smiley:
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: doylebros on January 15, 2014, 08:01:50 pm
As he say ^^^^

This is worth a read

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=71121.0
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: smithyc1987 on January 15, 2014, 08:35:55 pm
Cheers lads, easy/expensive fix?

Also the temperature dosent seem to get up to middle as easy sometimes and drops and rises
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: doylebros on January 15, 2014, 08:49:09 pm
Cheers lads, easy/expensive fix?

Also the temperature dosent seem to get up to middle as easy sometimes and drops and rises

Read this (relevant section):-

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,44709.0.html

20 minutes should sort it for the PCV valve.

The cooling temp may need to develop but there's a few interesting threads on cooling problems like this

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,75756.0.html
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: smithyc1987 on January 16, 2014, 12:54:45 pm
Done the test and removed sipstick engine splutters when put back in all is well.
So not the pcv valve.
Throttle position sensor ?
It only seems to do it when warm
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: Saintsteve on January 16, 2014, 06:20:14 pm
Done the test and removed sipstick engine splutters when put back in all is well.
So not the pcv valve.
Throttle position sensor ?
It only seems to do it when warm

Still PCV  :wink:
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: smithyc1987 on January 16, 2014, 09:51:31 pm
Y y y y ??????
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: Saintsteve on January 17, 2014, 06:17:35 pm
Y y y y ??????

If you've never replaced it, for the sake of £37 I would.
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: smithyc1987 on January 18, 2014, 03:38:52 pm
Also seems to be slightly running on for split second longer after ignition is switched off????
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: Saintsteve on January 18, 2014, 06:23:26 pm
Also seems to be slightly running on for split second longer after ignition is switched off????

Change it, and report back   :happy2:
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: rich83 on January 19, 2014, 12:46:31 am
Done the test and removed sipstick engine splutters when put back in all is well.
So not the pcv valve.
Throttle position sensor ?
It only seems to do it when warm

If you pull the dipstick out and it runs rough, and when you put it back in it still runs roughy it's the PCV.

I think Steve might have mentioned it once or twice already.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: smithyc1987 on January 19, 2014, 09:47:40 am
No when i put dipstick back in it runs fine.
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: rich83 on January 19, 2014, 09:58:56 am
No when i put dipstick back in it runs fine.

Well if it runs fine then you dont have a problem!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: EddieA on January 19, 2014, 10:11:31 am
Exactly the same as what I had, sometimes it would do it and others it wouldn't. It's the pcv, change it and it'll be fine.
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: Scottymon on January 19, 2014, 10:13:05 am
PCV / Coils / Plugs / MAF / TB

Personally, I would scan it to see if there's a misfire recorded and which bank.

I'd check the plug gaps and perhaps replace if due.

Definitely look at swapping the PCV and go from there.
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: rich83 on January 19, 2014, 10:14:41 am
PCV / Coils / Plugs / MAF / TB

Personally, I would scan it to see if there's a misfire recorded and which bank.

I'd check the plug gaps and perhaps replace if due.

Definitely look at swapping the PCV and go from there.

Wont be those ^^^
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: rich83 on January 19, 2014, 10:22:13 am
A Misfire not potentially caused by faulty plugs or coils... :confused:

Doesnt sound like a misfire to me.
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: Scottymon on January 19, 2014, 10:25:52 am
Also, when my TB was dieing, it did exactly the same as in that video, revs up and down at idle.. Replaced it and no issues... Never touched the PCV, idles perfectly. 

It's most likely the PCV has broken but its not always the same issue. 
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: smithyc1987 on January 19, 2014, 11:26:53 am
Tb??
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: rich83 on January 19, 2014, 11:30:05 am
Throttle body.
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: smithyc1987 on January 19, 2014, 01:10:21 pm
New video it is now doing this hissing when remove dipstick and idling high.
http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt256/smithyc1987/454DB26A-25A0-4153-9B2B-39EC38E91253-1808-000001DEE1B93E5C_zpsec0052d2.mp4
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: Scottymon on January 19, 2014, 01:12:22 pm
Revision N is the latest, grab one! :wink:
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: rich83 on January 19, 2014, 01:50:40 pm
PCV
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: Saintsteve on January 19, 2014, 03:41:56 pm
Exactly the same as what I had, sometimes it would do it and others it wouldn't. It's the pcv, change it and it'll be fine.

Cheers Eddie, at least someone else agrees... :innocent:
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: Scottymon on January 19, 2014, 05:48:22 pm
I think everyone agrees it could be the PCV Steve... except for perhaps the OP, lol.

Do it do it do it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoqDYcCDOTg)
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: smithyc1987 on January 19, 2014, 06:25:41 pm
Still think itd pcv ok will get 1 sorted in the week.
Doesnt seem down on power tho and only does it when warm.
Also coolant temp gauge seems to take longer to get upto temp and also drops up and down quite a bit
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: smithyc1987 on January 21, 2014, 08:19:25 pm
Not pcv but looks like engine temp sensore right side of engine. When unplugged the hunting and rough idle stopped.
Also threw up a intake leak code after we unplugged the temp sensor??
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: Saintsteve on January 21, 2014, 09:17:55 pm
Have you actually replaced the PCV yet ?

Don't forget, by disconnecting items, will throw up fauts in other areas that may not be directly connected to the faulty item.

Remember the PCV is not electrical and will not show as fault if your using VCDS!!!
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: Scottymon on January 21, 2014, 09:24:24 pm
Any members local that you can swap over to test..?
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: smithyc1987 on January 22, 2014, 08:00:49 am
Vw are £34 plus vat for pcv and £18 plus vat for pcv gasket.
I cant afford £60 if its not the pcv.
All the tests show pcv working fine.
There was a 12degree difference between acctual engine temp and what it said on vag.com/ temp gauge.
So unplugged temp sensor and engine stopped idling erratically. ??
So i thought i would start here
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: rich83 on January 22, 2014, 09:44:29 am
Ok... Well do this for me. Find the PCV and take the connector off the intake manifold.... Now blow down that pipe. Report back.
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: Scottymon on January 24, 2014, 07:42:12 pm
Additionally, is it normally the check valve that foobar's, would it be dislocated in the pipe'per'ridge.

Another solution... book your car into VW for a winter check, iirc it's about £20, you get a free oil or winter pack, both worth about £15... they will give the car a full going over, scanning it etc. etc. and report back with any faults and parts (with part numbers and blown diagrams) of problem areas... which is normally worth about £60 on its own. :happy2:
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: smithyc1987 on January 25, 2014, 01:38:34 pm
So on my lunch 15 i changed the pcv.
Not had chance to drive the vehicle yet but upon blowing down the pipe from inlet. I couldnt it was closed. But i could suck and it was clear.
To me that sounds like pcv was fine ???
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: smithyc1987 on January 25, 2014, 03:17:07 pm
Well just got home and about to go for a drive,
Just ripped apart the old pcv and the diaphram had a 1inch split.
Do we think this could be causing the problems  :happy2:
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: Saintsteve on January 25, 2014, 08:24:48 pm
Well just got home and about to go for a drive,
Just ripped apart the old pcv and the diaphram had a 1inch split.
Do we think this could be causing the problems  :happy2:

Yes, but I told you this ages ago  :laugh:

Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: rich83 on January 26, 2014, 08:59:37 am
Well just got home and about to go for a drive,
Just ripped apart the old pcv and the diaphram had a 1inch split.
Do we think this could be causing the problems  :happy2:

Yes, but I told you this ages ago  :laugh:



Yeah. But it's not the PCV Steve....  :wink:
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: Scottymon on January 26, 2014, 09:26:32 am
 :signLOL:
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: smithyc1987 on January 26, 2014, 10:12:54 am
Theres no need to be dicks, to be fair all tests showed the pcv to be fine and working im not just gonna replace bits for the sake of it.  :happy2:
Title: Re: Car idle speed raising on its own and dropping lumpy. Video
Post by: fab5freddy on January 26, 2014, 10:16:56 am
Easy fella, it's just a bit of banter.

You're gonna get a bit of sh*t from people who've been practically screaming PCV for over a week  :signLOL: