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Title: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on September 26, 2009, 12:58:44 pm
No it's not a new video from me..  :grin: But it is from the M5 Board.com videos which I always follow and not a bad old fight from the Mk5 I think you'll agree..  :happy2:



There's some other great comparisons with some nice exotic machinery at their Youtube home page here..

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Have a butchers guys...
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Poverty on September 26, 2009, 01:08:51 pm
No it's not a new video from me..  :grin: But it is from the M5 Board.com videos which I always follow and not a bad old fight from the Mk5 I think you'll agree..  :happy2:



There's some other great comparisons with some nice exotic machinery at their Youtube home page here..

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Have a butchers guys...

Really weird coincidence as I had a play with one last sunday on the motorway, expected him to piss all over me but it just never happened. Stuck onto his bumper like glue. Thought maybe he was toying with me or just not trying, but I thought it was odd why he would do that as we were going quick anyway!

Wonder how much that ed30 is pushing!

If we can get enough people I can arrange a similiar even at north weald airfield if people are interested!
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: KRL on September 26, 2009, 01:32:40 pm

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If we can get enough people I can arrange a similiar even at north weald airfield if people are interested!

I'd certainly be up for that  :happy2:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on September 26, 2009, 01:37:41 pm
No it's not a new video from me..  :grin: But it is from the M5 Board.com videos which I always follow and not a bad old fight from the Mk5 I think you'll agree..  :happy2:



There's some other great comparisons with some nice exotic machinery at their Youtube home page here..

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Have a butchers guys...

Really weird coincidence as I had a play with one last sunday on the motorway, expected him to piss all over me but it just never happened. Stuck onto his bumper like glue. Thought maybe he was toying with me or just not trying, but I thought it was odd why he would do that as we were going quick anyway!

Wonder how much that ed30 is pushing!

If we can get enough people I can arrange a similiar even at north weald airfield if people are interested!

It's running around 330-340bhp apparently.. Would love to do a event like that next year (when licence is back). Think we should get something arranged mate? :wink: Did 30-130 day in March and that was wicked..
What mods/Stage are you again?
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Greeners on September 26, 2009, 01:42:52 pm
I had a try at keeping up with a standard GT3 on the start straight at the Ring earlier in the year (for a laff) and was surprised to keep up with it!  :surprised:

Soon left me once the bendy bits came up!  :laugh:  :notworthy:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Peskarik on September 26, 2009, 02:50:45 pm
Had a big turbo conversion the other day, and surprisingly could keep up with Veyron from 50 to 250 kmh. Easy as pie!   :pomppomp:  :star:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on September 26, 2009, 02:52:52 pm
Had a big turbo conversion the other day, and surprisingly could keep up with Veyron from 50 to 250 kmh. Easy as pie!   :pomppomp:  :star:
Do I sense some sarcasm in that post Peskarik? :wink:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: VC on September 26, 2009, 02:55:53 pm
no matter which way you butter it, thats impressive  :congrats:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Peskarik on September 26, 2009, 03:07:03 pm
Had a big turbo conversion the other day, and surprisingly could keep up with Veyron from 50 to 250 kmh. Easy as pie!   :pomppomp:  :star:
Do I sense some sarcasm in that post Peskarik? :wink:
Sarcasm is a 7-letter word.
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: matsu on September 26, 2009, 03:07:49 pm
am def up for anything at north weald as its only 1/2 hr away!!

matsu
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Hurdy on September 26, 2009, 04:52:08 pm
North Weald = 3hrs 15mins....hmmmm.....do I?......Don't I?
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: RobH on September 26, 2009, 04:57:43 pm
North Weald = 3hrs 15mins....hmmmm.....do I?......Don't I?

thats kinda what i was thinking coming from halifax.
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Hurdy on September 26, 2009, 04:58:40 pm
North Weald = 3hrs 15mins....hmmmm.....do I?......Don't I?

thats kinda what i was thinking coming from halifax.

Yup, Sheffield here :smiley:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Rich on September 26, 2009, 05:25:51 pm
DEFOOO up for a North meet... airfield would be the ZHIZZLLEEE... count me in :jumping: :jumping:


Video is impressive !
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Toast on September 26, 2009, 05:34:44 pm
Mates s3 330bhp stuck to the bumper of a white gt3 rs the other week on the way back down the Knockhill road 'In the RAIN' :driver: :evilgrin:  think the porker driver was surprised a 30k motor couldn't be shaken off  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: jhtrophy on September 26, 2009, 05:48:04 pm
dont know what your watching but i saw a golf get owned by something that is not even built for straight lines!!! a mapped ed30 does not even put that much distance into my meg, and there much faster!!!
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: RobH on September 26, 2009, 05:54:34 pm
we're watching the video in the 1st post and would you like to elaborate on "something".
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: jhtrophy on September 26, 2009, 06:03:06 pm
the something is obviously the gt3rs which from what i can see pulls about 3 car lengths which is alot to be honest and as said the gt3rs is not known for straight line speed, its what a mapped ed 30 would do to a standard hot hatch, own it by a similar distance.
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Peskarik on September 26, 2009, 06:58:36 pm
the something is obviously the gt3rs which from what i can see pulls about 3 car lengths which is alot to be honest and as said the gt3rs is not known for straight line speed, its what a mapped ed 30 would do to a standard hot hatch, own it by a similar distance.

"There is no replacement for displacement" - Gerhard Oettinger, the developer of 16v engine for GTI.

GT3 pulls away at high speeds, just because of displacement
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Poverty on September 26, 2009, 07:09:29 pm
the something is obviously the gt3rs which from what i can see pulls about 3 car lengths which is alot to be honest and as said the gt3rs is not known for straight line speed, its what a mapped ed 30 would do to a standard hot hatch, own it by a similar distance.

"There is no replacement for displacement" - Gerhard Oettinger, the developer of 16v engine for GTI.

GT3 pulls away at high speeds, just because of displacement

gearing and aero play a part.

Indicated 170mph is hitting the limiter in 6th in the cupra/ed30 whilst the 997 GT3 RS goes on till 187mph iirc.

GT3 RS is built for straightline speed, but neither is the golf. The key is to remember that the gt3 rs is a awesome car and the fact a golf etc can keep up is awesome. No one would think any less of the GT3 RS because of it. With the GT3 RS its the corners that count, but a hatchback keeping up with a trackday porsche on the motorway is great pub talk.
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on September 26, 2009, 07:14:59 pm
the something is obviously the gt3rs which from what i can see pulls about 3 car lengths which is alot to be honest and as said the gt3rs is not known for straight line speed, its what a mapped ed 30 would do to a standard hot hatch, own it by a similar distance.
Sorry bud, but for a GT3 RS to only pull 3-4 car lengths on a mapped ED30 from 30-150mph isn't exactly what most people would expect and IS impressive. Yeah the GT3 RS is a track slag, but it's still a sub 10sec 0-100mph car and by no means slow..

Also I assume the blasts you have had with a modded ED30 in a standard R26 must be down to driver skill, as a standard Meg against a modded Ed30 (like that one) would get it ass royally handed to it, by a lot more than 3 car lengths..
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: jhtrophy on September 26, 2009, 09:32:24 pm
no it wouldnt :happy2: driver skill! what putting your foot down from 30???? 3 car lenths from 30 to 130 or whatever it is alot mate, i agree that it looks good on video, but if you were on autobahn and that happened you would feel a tool for even trying! and yes a 330bhp golf is made for straight line speed whoever said that!what is it for?????
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Aparoon on September 26, 2009, 10:02:23 pm
If that happened to me i wouldn't feel embarrased in the slightest, the 2 were neck and neck well into road legal speed limits therefore what this video shows is that if you were to come up against one say on the slip road you would do surprisingly well...  :embarrassed:

Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: MAT ED30 on September 26, 2009, 10:21:45 pm
This is all abit fast and the furious for me lol Porsche rules pure and simple no if no buts it's a track car and will run laps around our golfs
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Aparoon on September 26, 2009, 10:23:16 pm
Yeah of course it will but no ones disputing that?
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Aparoon on September 26, 2009, 10:30:07 pm
This doesnt look similar to the first video  :P

Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: jhtrophy on September 26, 2009, 11:14:15 pm
It just seems like a thread I would expect to see on a corsa forum.it nearly kept up with a porche! If that what floats your boat! I have seen plenty on track and even the ones driven by tools come past on straights faster than any golf ever has!
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Greeners on September 26, 2009, 11:31:42 pm
It just seems like a thread I would expect to see on a corsa forum.it nearly kept up with a porche! If that what floats your boat! I have seen plenty on track and even the ones driven by tools come past on straights faster than any golf ever has!

So you coming to the Ring next week then Frenchie?  :wink:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Hurdy on September 27, 2009, 12:00:25 am
Would that Porker keep up with 420+bhp and a 50shot of NOS :innocent:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on September 27, 2009, 01:13:43 am
no it wouldnt :happy2: driver skill! what putting your foot down from 30???? 3 car lenths from 30 to 130 or whatever it is alot mate, i agree that it looks good on video, but if you were on autobahn and that happened you would feel a tool for even trying! and yes a 330bhp golf is made for straight line speed whoever said that!what is it for?????
Yeah there issome skill acceleratin in a straight line (if you're manual).. Shifts for a strart, they can win or lose a straight line race. Otherwise every manual ED30 (or any car) would all run the same 1/4 mile times, regardless of driver..
Track is a totally different animal thoug..
I agree 3 car lengths is a decent gap. For not IMO in this case, witha GT£ RS from 30-250mph..  :wink:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: chungster on September 27, 2009, 08:20:58 am
i'd still have the GT3RS over the ED30 anyday....

besides, how much opportunity do you get to do that kinda straight line acceleration day to day?

throw some corners in and you would NOT see which way the porker went. Simples.

And as for the S3 sticking to the GT3 in scotland in the RAIN.... 4WD vs RWD in the wet ain't exactly fair is it.

Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: warren_cox on September 27, 2009, 09:31:29 am
And as for the S3 sticking to the GT3 in scotland in the RAIN.... 4WD vs RWD in the wet ain't exactly fair is it.

You're right, any idiot can drive an S3 very quickly, it's close to foolproof. You can get in an S3 and drive it at 95% within an hour. With the Porker (like with the M3) you start out at 60-70% (depending on your skills) and move the game on learning all the time.

It's not hard to be quick in a straight line in the dry, it's much harder to stop in a straight line (from 150mph+)  :scared:

The wife borrows my car (as she has a company pool car and there is no point having another car for now). Letting her out in a 350+bhp car only made sense if it had a safety net eg. Quattro (well Haldex!) as I don't want her/it in a ditch, as she is no Sabine Schmidt. Likewise I'm no Stig, so when I ended up braking then hitting someone elses oil at the end of Castle Combe main straight at Audi Driver International in 2007 I was glad of the support!
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Toast on September 27, 2009, 11:11:37 am
I wouldn't say the rain was affecting the porsche drivers attitude in his driving skill :signLOL:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on September 27, 2009, 11:16:58 am
i'd still have the GT3RS over the ED30 anyday....
Don't think that's ever been in question mate.. Awesome car, especially the new one.. :drool:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg29.imageshack.us%2Fimg29%2F4241%2F2010porsche911gt3rs01th.jpg&hash=d774524c6adbf374515d265590dc31153a76a5f1) (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/2010porsche911gt3rs01th.jpg/)
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Poverty on September 27, 2009, 12:32:59 pm
no it wouldnt :happy2: driver skill! what putting your foot down from 30???? 3 car lenths from 30 to 130 or whatever it is alot mate, i agree that it looks good on video, but if you were on autobahn and that happened you would feel a tool for even trying! and yes a 330bhp golf is made for straight line speed whoever said that!what is it for?????

A golf gti, leon cupra, is a hothatch, meaning it has to be a all rounder, ok straightline pace, ok handling, practical and economical. Just because it has 330hp doesnt mean its built for straightline pace.
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Poverty on September 27, 2009, 12:36:43 pm
It just seems like a thread I would expect to see on a corsa forum.it nearly kept up with a porche! If that what floats your boat! I have seen plenty on track and even the ones driven by tools come past on straights faster than any golf ever has!
:signLOL:

Do some youtubing of some quick golfs on the track and see what happens.

Do you know how fast the leon Cupra supercopas lap tracks?

No one here is denying that the porsche isnt the better car, or that anyone here would have our hothatch over the golf, but when a 20k car with a few mods can keep up with a porsche in a straight line that is impressive.

Just imagine if you stripped a stage 2 golf out like the porsche, the gap would have been closer.
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on September 27, 2009, 12:56:30 pm
Couple more here too..
Same Golf vs Maserati Cambiocorsa
&NR=1

Another Golf vs mapped 335i
&NR=1

And my personal favourite (although not a Golf) is the E30 M3 with M5 V10 transplant vs New M3  :surprised:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: RobH on September 27, 2009, 01:12:07 pm
wonder if the guy in the golf felt a tool racing the maserati cambiocorsa :signLOL:.
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: T88OMM on September 27, 2009, 05:32:10 pm
Some really impressive videos there Ben!  :drool: I had my first play with a new RS4 last night along a slip road and then on to the motorway, I had him by a car legnth until we both decided to back off  :P :P
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on September 27, 2009, 06:06:51 pm
Don't believe you mate, unless there's a vid of course?  :wink: :signLOL:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: T88OMM on September 27, 2009, 06:15:11 pm
Don't believe you mate, unless there is a vid?  :wink: :signLOL:

 :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on September 27, 2009, 06:52:40 pm
You still stage 1 Tom or has the slope been greasy recently..  :wink:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Oli on September 27, 2009, 07:04:36 pm
Some really impressive videos there Ben!  :drool: I had my first play with a new RS4 last night along a slip road and then on to the motorway, I had him by a car legnth until we both decided to back off  :P :P

Having owned both of these cars, I can confirm this, however chuck in twistys and it's goodbye S3- plus you can't beat the RS4 noise with Milltek!!!
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: T88OMM on September 27, 2009, 07:05:19 pm
You still stage 1 Tom or has the slope been greasy recently..  :wink:

Still stage 1 mate, I am gonna try and save up some pennies when I get back from the Ring and go stage 2+ and DSG map in one hit. My aim is to get in the mid-low 12s  :happy2:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: gazbutS3 on September 27, 2009, 07:08:57 pm
You still stage 1 Tom or has the slope been greasy recently..  :wink:

Still stage 1 mate, I am gonna try and save up some pennies when I get back from the Ring and go stage 2+ and DSG map in one hit. My aim is to get in the mid-low 12s  :happy2:

you'll need to get rid of them elephants ears you call wing mirrors to run some decent times :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: T88OMM on September 27, 2009, 07:13:24 pm
You still stage 1 Tom or has the slope been greasy recently..  :wink:

Still stage 1 mate, I am gonna try and save up some pennies when I get back from the Ring and go stage 2+ and DSG map in one hit. My aim is to get in the mid-low 12s  :happy2:

you'll need to get rid of them elephants ears you call wing mirrors to run some decent times :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Pipe down shorty! You're just jealous because you've got an old one  :grin: :P :P
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: gazbutS3 on September 27, 2009, 07:16:20 pm
ooooo must have hit a nerve to get such an aggressive response, chill out dumbo :laugh:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on September 27, 2009, 07:16:48 pm
You still stage 1 Tom or has the slope been greasy recently..  :wink:

Still stage 1 mate, I am gonna try and save up some pennies when I get back from the Ring and go stage 2+ and DSG map in one hit. My aim is to get in the mid-low 12s  :happy2:

you'll need to get rid of them elephants ears you call wing mirrors to run some decent times :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on September 27, 2009, 07:18:30 pm
Be mighty impressive if you get those sort of times mate.. You need to get to Pod and run it to see what it'll do on a proper 1/4 mile track..  :signLOL:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Peskarik on September 27, 2009, 07:25:22 pm
GTI can be as quick as it wants, but my dream car has been Porsche GT3 for a LONG time. If I had the money, I'd buy THAT car, not M3 or GTR or Lambo or Ferrro - GT3.
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: T88OMM on September 27, 2009, 07:28:42 pm
ooooo must have hit a nerve to get such an aggressive response, chill out dumbo :laugh:

It wasn't meant to be agressive Mr. Butler  :P I agree with you that the mirrors are ridiculously big and it is the only thing I dislike about the car  :sick: I am gonna pin the ears back when I do some 1/4 miles me thinks!  :wink:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Peskarik on September 27, 2009, 07:31:15 pm
Couple more here too..
Same Golf vs Maserati Cambiocorsa
&NR=1

Another Golf vs mapped 335i
&NR=1

And my personal favourite (although not a Golf) is the E30 M3 with M5 V10 transplant vs New M3  :surprised:


That E30 M3 with V10, the guys say it has 1000hp. Of course it is no contest!!!  :rolleye:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: T88OMM on September 27, 2009, 07:33:19 pm
Be mighty impressive if you get those sort of times mate.. You need to get to Pod and run it to see what it'll do on a proper 1/4 mile track..  :signLOL:

I'll be there over the winter, I am confident I can replicate the 13.2 I did at Inters  :happy2: :wink:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: gazbutS3 on September 27, 2009, 07:39:09 pm
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Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: T88OMM on September 28, 2009, 10:53:42 am
 :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on September 28, 2009, 12:30:43 pm
You're right Gaz, there is a remarkable simularity..

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 :signLOL:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: Sunglasses Ron on October 21, 2009, 09:06:13 pm


I thin we can all agree, that is impressive!  :laugh: Revo Stage 2+ Equivlent and MANUAL! Just think what a DSG would do..  :grin:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: jonnyc on October 21, 2009, 09:18:08 pm
Lol.. I did wander how long this would take to turn into a 'theres no way a Golf can do that' or a 'Yeah but Id rather have a GT3 RS over a Golf'..

Reminds me of the old Audi Sport days..

The point is that a tuned ED30 is a fast car, no matter what the shape, brand or asking price..

I got RIPPED into royally for daring to suggest that my S3 was faster than an RS4.. Or my friends 997 GT3 RS.. Until I posted a video (when it had around 420hp) and it pulled and pulled away..

Then it was, oh the Porsche driver can't change gear, he let you win bla bla bla.. Just find all this stuff boring..

And an R26 vs. a tuned ED30.. Please!!!! lol.. A friend of mine has a R26.R with intercooler, map, de-cat bla bla bla and its complete comedy how the Golf pulls away from it..

If your going to argue whats faster in a straight line then go to the 1/4 and post a time, then the bulls*it stops..

Right Ben?  :wink:
Title: Re: Edition 30 vs 997 GT3 RS
Post by: SteveP on October 21, 2009, 09:21:50 pm
Enough with these type of (my x is faster than y) thread please everyone.

This one will now be locked.