MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Eddie07 on January 29, 2014, 01:14:52 pm
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OK! officially starting modding today :laugh: :party:...I asked the question a while back about 19's or not....
well wheels came back from Prestige in Stockport (refurb) and their work is a1! BUT....put them on my edition 30 and to say that i wasnt overwhelmed would be a massive understatement.
Drove it from High Peak (derbyshire) to northwich (cheshire) and whilst it drives nice, there is definitely a "feel" in loss in power although seems to glide and hold speed alot better. :confused:
now I know the wheels are likely to be heavier and there is a discrepancy that the actual tyre width and profile is different (from 225/35/18 to 235/40/19) but this is dramatic difference. Braking distance seems to have increased also, have to press the peddle harder to stop although not overly concerned about that as I'm putting tt rs calipers and discs on soon...
..the drama continues...the fronts are catching which means either a narrower tyre (which may not solve the issue of rubbing) or arches rolled. The car isnt lowered, but was thinking to put some v3's on...I'm not even sure with any drop without rolling the arches would be any point as will scrape the life out the tyres...right or wrong?
Tyres on the car are currently brand new set of michelin super sports...
SO...a pictures says a thousand words?
take a look and give me your opinion on if they think obscene or stay with 18's and get them refurbed in the same way...
Wheels on 18's (that were up for sale...)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi833.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz255%2Fandre_obi_umebuani1%2Fimage_zpsdaa7a3bc.png&hash=cbf3b1e31d382a81957b7f519b2b655926bb6d95) (http://s833.photobucket.com/user/andre_obi_umebuani1/media/image_zpsdaa7a3bc.png.html)
as she sits now...
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi833.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz255%2Fandre_obi_umebuani1%2Fimage_zps0f8b4c6b.jpeg&hash=ecaff7746f028b4be519a4e03c05b0203872b426) (http://s833.photobucket.com/user/andre_obi_umebuani1/media/image_zps0f8b4c6b.jpeg.html)
close up of the fronts that are catching
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi833.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz255%2Fandre_obi_umebuani1%2Fimage2_zps327bc28d.jpeg&hash=a6f84e0b5a2632783b0735c60cd55c47dec73dc1) (http://s833.photobucket.com/user/andre_obi_umebuani1/media/image2_zps327bc28d.jpeg.html)
Closer...
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi833.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz255%2Fandre_obi_umebuani1%2Fimage1_zps336a3f09.jpeg&hash=e3fafb3937bb19538ada590efefc1b3e131be74d) (http://s833.photobucket.com/user/andre_obi_umebuani1/media/image1_zps336a3f09.jpeg.html)
PS- this is not a review...looking for feedback on the above
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What is the width and offset of your new wheels. :happy2:
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What is the width and offset of your new wheels. :happy2:
offset not 100% sure on width is 8"...?
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You need to plan out your modifications to stop yourself from wasting money, IE measure twice cut once. You should know the exact size of a wheel before you buy so you can work out if it will fit.
If those wheels are only 8inch wide the offset looks substantial. The wheels will look good once you get the stance correct, if the wheels are too wide getting the stance correct is going to cost you.
Also a VW monza II hollow wheel is heavy, 19in aftermarket wheels are going to weigh the same as a small planet. You can expect to feel the extra weight i am afraid. :happy2:
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You need to plan out your modifications to stop yourself from wasting money, IE measure twice cut once. You should know the exact size of a wheel before you buy so you can work out if it will fit.
If those wheels are only 8inch wide the offset looks substantial. The wheels will look good once you get the stance correct, if the wheels are too wide getting the stance correct is going to cost you.
Also a VW monza II hollow wheel is heavy, 19in aftermarket wheels are going to weigh the same as a small planet. You can expect to feel the extra weight i am afraid. :happy2:
lol'ed the small planet part. to be honest, your 100% right and complacency is going to cost me.
Had a quote from a garage to open up front arched slightly, its not dramatic but its expense...are there any recommended places northwest based?
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OK! officially starting modding today :laugh: :party:...I asked the question a while back about 19's or not....
well wheels came back from Prestige in Stockport (refurb) and their work is a1! BUT....put them on my edition 30 and to say that i wasnt overwhelmed would be a massive understatement.
Drove it from High Peak (derbyshire) to northwich (cheshire) and whilst it drives nice, there is definitely a "feel" in loss in power although seems to glide and hold speed alot better. :confused:
now I know the wheels are likely to be heavier and there is a discrepancy that the actual tyre width and profile is different (from 225/35/18 to 235/40/19) but this is dramatic difference. Braking distance seems to have increased also, have to press the peddle harder to stop although not overly concerned about that as I'm putting tt rs calipers and discs on soon...
..the drama continues...the fronts are catching which means either a narrower tyre (which may not solve the issue of rubbing) or arches rolled. The car isnt lowered, but was thinking to put some v3's on...I'm not even sure with any drop without rolling the arches would be any point as will scrape the life out the tyres...right or wrong?
Tyres on the car are currently brand new set of michelin super sports...
SO...a pictures says a thousand words?
take a look and give me your opinion on if they think obscene or stay with 18's and get them refurbed in the same way...
Wheels on 18's (that ARE up for sale...)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi833.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz255%2Fandre_obi_umebuani1%2Fimage_zpsdaa7a3bc.png&hash=cbf3b1e31d382a81957b7f519b2b655926bb6d95) (http://s833.photobucket.com/user/andre_obi_umebuani1/media/image_zpsdaa7a3bc.png.html)
as she sits now...
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi833.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz255%2Fandre_obi_umebuani1%2Fimage_zps0f8b4c6b.jpeg&hash=ecaff7746f028b4be519a4e03c05b0203872b426) (http://s833.photobucket.com/user/andre_obi_umebuani1/media/image_zps0f8b4c6b.jpeg.html)
close up of the fronts that are catching
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi833.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz255%2Fandre_obi_umebuani1%2Fimage2_zps327bc28d.jpeg&hash=a6f84e0b5a2632783b0735c60cd55c47dec73dc1) (http://s833.photobucket.com/user/andre_obi_umebuani1/media/image2_zps327bc28d.jpeg.html)
Closer...
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi833.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz255%2Fandre_obi_umebuani1%2Fimage1_zps336a3f09.jpeg&hash=e3fafb3937bb19538ada590efefc1b3e131be74d) (http://s833.photobucket.com/user/andre_obi_umebuani1/media/image1_zps336a3f09.jpeg.html)
PS- this is not a review...looking for feedback on the above
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You need to plan out your modifications to stop yourself from wasting money, IE measure twice cut once. You should know the exact size of a wheel before you buy so you can work out if it will fit.
If those wheels are only 8inch wide the offset looks substantial. The wheels will look good once you get the stance correct, if the wheels are too wide getting the stance correct is going to cost you.
Also a VW monza II hollow wheel is heavy, 19in aftermarket wheels are going to weigh the same as a small planet. You can expect to feel the extra weight i am afraid. :happy2:
EXACTLY!!!
You can't just whack any old wheel and tyre combo on.
You need to plan it.
235/40s on what looks to be a 8 or 8.5j wheel with an ET around 40 or 45...?
You're going to rub.
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You need to plan out your modifications to stop yourself from wasting money, IE measure twice cut once. You should know the exact size of a wheel before you buy so you can work out if it will fit.
If those wheels are only 8inch wide the offset looks substantial. The wheels will look good once you get the stance correct, if the wheels are too wide getting the stance correct is going to cost you.
Also a VW monza II hollow wheel is heavy, 19in aftermarket wheels are going to weigh the same as a small planet. You can expect to feel the extra weight i am afraid. :happy2:
EXACTLY!!!
You can't just whack any old wheel and tyre combo on.
You need to plan it.
235/40s on what looks to be a 8 or 8.5j wheel with an ET around 40 or 45...?
You're going to rub.
Maybe I should clarify a little...
its 8j...stated that
I used this to measure before I put the wheel on :
by my calculations came out ET of 45. the difference of 35 or 40mm tyre height is negligible. even changing the width from 225 to 235 (WITH even taking into consideration of 5% reduction in tyre 'bulge' over the rim) it was a guestimate that they would fit.
I'm sorry that it offends you so much jay lol had no idea you felt so strongly about this topic. it was a question for peoples opinions and I respect yours...but i was asking about aesthetics vs drive-ability. not if would rub...I know it does already. :happy2:
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In addition to above, is 235/40/19 correct as usually the correct fitment should be 235/35/19 to keep the rolling circumference as close as possible to standard.
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In addition to above, is 235/40/19 correct as usually the correct fitment should be 235/35/19 to keep the rolling circumference as close as possible to standard.
putting michelin super sports all the way round wasnt cheap...so think i'll waiting to change the tyres when they get to 4mm - thankyou though
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I'm not offended :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
Takes a lot more to offend me than you buying wrong tyre sizes or wheels.
Stealing my skittles is pretty high on the list.
RE: offset this should be stamped on the back of the wheel you shouldn't need to measure.
from how they LOOK if they are 8j they look to be more like et 35 in terms of how they sit in the arch. (this is from the pictures so not accurate)
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I'm not offended :signLOL: :signLOL: :signLOL:
Takes a lot more to offend me than you buying wrong tyre sizes or wheels.
Stealing my skittles is pretty high on the list.
RE: offset this should be stamped on the back of the wheel you shouldn't need to measure.
from how they LOOK if they are 8j they look to be more like et 35 in terms of how they sit in the arch. (this is from the pictures so not accurate)
ok no worries, I've got a quote from a local garage to roll the arches and I'm happy with that. has abit of a knock on effect with other mods but I'm having looked at the car over and over and seeing people gorping at her as they walk past my office I'm happy with it pending the arches.
The pictures dont really do it justice tbf...they look beastly.
Mistakes will be made and corrected, things will break and be repaired...thats the beauty of modding :grin:
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i was asking about aesthetics vs drive-ability. not if would rub...I know it does already. :happy2:
My opinion is!, aesthetically it doesn't quite look right because the wheels poke to far out in relation to your ride height. If you dropped the height 30 to 40 mm the would look superb. Only then in my opinion would the trade off for cool looks be worth it vs the sh*t driving characteristics of 4 very heavy wheels. To get them set up with a decent drop is going to cost you big time so ultimately the answer, in my opinion is, sell the wheels and tyres put 18s back on with the correct offset then spend the cash on lowering it with some spacers.
18's with the stance spot on look a whole lot better than 19's looking slightly odd, and you get your nice handling car back. :wink:
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just swap me your 19" for my 18" shadow grey ones :) problem solved!!!
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In my opinion is, sell the wheels and tyres put 18s back on with the correct offset then spend the cash on lowering it with some spacers.
18's with the stance spot on look a whole lot better than 19's looking slightly odd, and you get your nice handling car back. :wink:
Common Sense is the BEST THING IN THE WORLD.
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In my opinion is, sell the wheels and tyres put 18s back on with the correct offset then spend the cash on lowering it with some spacers.
18's with the stance spot on look a whole lot better than 19's looking slightly odd, and you get your nice handling car back. :wink:
Common Sense is the BEST THING IN THE WORLD.
Top Cat: Will probly go back to 18's
N8KOW: useful post!? :congrats:
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I wasnt trying to be funny in anyway, i have been there and wear many of the T-shirts. I did the research and still went and bought 8.5inch wheels with 45offset. :laugh: I then had to buy another set of camber adjust coils when my KW V2's were only a few months old. :grin:
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Hi Eddie, sounds like your not keen on how the new wheels make the car handle, is that correct?
Down to personal choice at the end of the day. But 19' can be a little big for the mk5 if tyre/offset combo isn't correct. 235/40's a little big really, 225/35's would be better, but understand have just bought them so don't want to change the tyres. Do you still have the 18's? If so you could quickly put them back on and go for a drive, if you prefer how car handles/feels then I think your mind has been made up for you.
Could even weigh both wheels, be surprised how much difference that makes to how are car goes, turns and stops. I went from Monzas to TD Pro Race and noticed a difference.
Could always sell the 19's, might lose a little money, but your be happier in the long run.
The looks of a wheel plays a massive part, but how the car handles on a daily basis far more important as you have to live with it.
I personally felt your car looked great on the 18's. Maybe some BBS VZ instead.
Si
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In addition to above, is 235/40/19 correct as usually the correct fitment should be 235/35/19 to keep the rolling circumference as close as possible to standard.
putting michelin super sports all the way round wasnt cheap...so think i'll waiting to change the tyres when they get to 4mm - thankyou though
The above post is important and it doesn't seem like you are noticing what he is trying to say. 225/40/18 is normally swapped for 235/35/19 when increasing alloy wheel size. Going for 235/40/19 tyres will only add to the rubbing on the arches, and will throw your speedometer out more. The post bacillus made was simply asking if you made a typo and meant to say you had went from 225/40/18 to 235/35/19 rather than what you have posted,"...changed from 225/35/18 to 235/40/19".
Confused yet?
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I wasnt trying to be funny in anyway, i have been there and wear many of the T-shirts. I did the research and still went and bought 8.5inch wheels with 45offset. :laugh: I then had to buy another set of camber adjust coils when my KW V2's were only a few months old. :grin:
They fit fine don't know what you're on about lol.
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^^^^ But you always say that! :grin:
I've not met anyone yet in Mk5 Golf with 8.5" ET45 who's lowered and doesn't rub like the thighs on a fat whore.
Eddie, they would look good if/when your lowered but there is too much poke there for that, they must be (as Jay says) ET35 ish If they're only 8". 19" Monza's look the nuts with the right drop, look at Monte's Eddy on them, perfect stance.
Good luck with whichever way you go.
:happy2:
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^^^^ But you always say that! :grin:
I've not met anyone yet in Mk5 Golf with 8.5" ET45 who's lowered and doesn't rub like the thighs on a fat whore.
Well you've met one?
My mercedes are 18x8.5 et44....
Rarely rarely used to catch, only when for example bumping up a mini roundabout at near to full lock.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/s720x720/1044438_543417299028242_2095109567_n.jpg)
Didn't even have rolled arches at the time. I was around 23" FTG as well, you won't really find many people lower than that.
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In addition to above, is 235/40/19 correct as usually the correct fitment should be 235/35/19 to keep the rolling circumference as close as possible to standard.
putting michelin super sports all the way round wasnt cheap...so think i'll waiting to change the tyres when they get to 4mm - thankyou though
The above post is important and it doesn't seem like you are noticing what he is trying to say. 225/40/18 is normally swapped for 235/35/19 when increasing alloy wheel size. Going for 235/40/19 tyres will only add to the rubbing on the arches, and will throw your speedometer out more. The post bacillus made was simply asking if you made a typo and meant to say you had went from 225/40/18 to 235/35/19 rather than what you have posted,"...changed from 225/35/18 to 235/40/19".
Confused yet?
erm yes lol
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Hi Eddie, sounds like your not keen on how the new wheels make the car handle, is that correct?
Down to personal choice at the end of the day. But 19' can be a little big for the mk5 if tyre/offset combo isn't correct. 235/40's a little big really, 225/35's would be better, but understand have just bought them so don't want to change the tyres. Do you still have the 18's? If so you could quickly put them back on and go for a drive, if you prefer how car handles/feels then I think your mind has been made up for you.
Could even weigh both wheels, be surprised how much difference that makes to how are car goes, turns and stops. I went from Monzas to TD Pro Race and noticed a difference.
Could always sell the 19's, might lose a little money, but your be happier in the long run.
The looks of a wheel plays a massive part, but how the car handles on a daily basis far more important as you have to live with it.
I personally felt your car looked great on the 18's. Maybe some BBS VZ instead.
Si
I think before the years out i would of changed the wheels again...wheels stand me at just short or £1,600 which when you work it out is cheap for what they are...and I had to ask a few favours from people lol
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I wasnt trying to be funny in anyway, i have been there and wear many of the T-shirts. I did the research and still went and bought 8.5inch wheels with 45offset. :laugh: I then had to buy another set of camber adjust coils when my KW V2's were only a few months old. :grin:
lol i get what your saying. think my mood was slightly aggressive before i hadnt eaten..my bad lol...Im picking up v3's at the weekend now lol
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In addition to above, is 235/40/19 correct as usually the correct fitment should be 235/35/19 to keep the rolling circumference as close as possible to standard.
putting michelin super sports all the way round wasnt cheap...so think i'll waiting to change the tyres when they get to 4mm - thankyou though
The above post is important and it doesn't seem like you are noticing what he is trying to say. 225/40/18 is normally swapped for 235/35/19 when increasing alloy wheel size. Going for 235/40/19 tyres will only add to the rubbing on the arches, and will throw your speedometer out more. The post bacillus made was simply asking if you made a typo and meant to say you had went from 225/40/18 to 235/35/19 rather than what you have posted,"...changed from 225/35/18 to 235/40/19".
Confused yet?
erm yes lol
You state you have 235/40/19 tyres. The norm is to go for 235/35/19 tyres. Simples. And it may help (a tiny amount) with the tyres catching the arches. :happy2:
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In addition to above, is 235/40/19 correct as usually the correct fitment should be 235/35/19 to keep the rolling circumference as close as possible to standard.
putting michelin super sports all the way round wasnt cheap...so think i'll waiting to change the tyres when they get to 4mm - thankyou though
The above post is important and it doesn't seem like you are noticing what he is trying to say. 225/40/18 is normally swapped for 235/35/19 when increasing alloy wheel size. Going for 235/40/19 tyres will only add to the rubbing on the arches, and will throw your speedometer out more. The post bacillus made was simply asking if you made a typo and meant to say you had went from 225/40/18 to 235/35/19 rather than what you have posted,"...changed from 225/35/18 to 235/40/19".
Confused yet?
erm yes lol
You state you have 235/40/19 tyres. The norm is to go for 235/35/19 tyres. Simples. And it may help (a tiny amount) with the tyres catching the arches. :happy2:
With Valentines, anniversary, youngest childs birthday all next month...It might be a while yet to replace them I will definately consider it for the future though and your help and knowledge is really appreciated. I might change the set up again back to 18's when they get to 4mm if the v3's dont cure the problem this weekend.
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My car will be on here in the spring on 19 inch Monza wheels.
ET 45
19 x 8
225 tyres 35/19
Come on spring :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
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here is mine on 19"225/35/19 tyres et44
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fcc20%2Fmaxitrol%2Fsigg.jpg&hash=2e9ca6c89ac851cc45c5ce56b2cb32225953ebdf)
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Whoooooo like that :happy2:
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My car will be on here in the spring on 19 inch Monza wheels.
ET 45
19 x 8
225 tyres 35/19
Come on spring :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
would 225 fit on 8j wheels you know?
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Top Cat: Will probly go back to 18's
N8KOW: useful post!? :congrats:
My post wasn't, but I was demonstrating that Top's Cat was spot on and common sense never goes a miss.
With wheels you can't have your cake and eat it. You should either aim for 'Go' or 'Show'. I've had both. My A3 was a nice looking diesel and ran 19"/20"s with air. I would run 19x8.5 or 19x9 (215/35/19) or 20x8.5 or 20x9 (225/30/20). The skinnier a tyre you run, the more clearance you'll have = less rubbing. Although I think the A3 8P's arches are slightly wider than the Mk5, even though it's the "same car". You can run the car lower with mega looks BUT ride quality goes out the window, certainly with cheap rubber anyway.
So the "show" approach has gone out of the window now I've got myself an ED30. A quick car IMO should have proper size tyres if you want to drive it "properly", I'm running Pescaras with 225/40s and the ride quality is sublime. I was going to get 19" CHs, but I'm just going to stick with what I've got and eventually add V3s, I won't bother with spacers either :grin:
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My car will be on here in the spring on 19 inch Monza wheels.
ET 45
19 x 8
225 tyres 35/19
Come on spring :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
would 225 fit on 8j wheels you know?
You can pretty much fit any tyre on any width of wheel you want...
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would 225 fit on 8j wheels you know?
Yes, 8J wheels and 225 wide tyres fit together very nicely. No stretch per se but just a 'right' fit. Very useful for wheels with an offset that is close to the bone.
You can pretty much fit any tyre on any width of wheel you want...
Ask and you shall see... TyreStretch (http://www.tyrestretch.com/)
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mine are 19x8j also
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I actually want to go up to 19" wheels, maybe I should reconsider
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I actually want to go up to 19" wheels, maybe I should reconsider
yes yes do it :happy2:
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18's i think...gona whack these on the for sale section
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I don't see why people hate on 19's so much, they look ten times better.
I had 215/34/19 ( stretch) I didn't rub at all, only if I was going full look which was only rubbing slightly.
It's my fourth set of 19x8.5 and I don't see the issue
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Very interesting points made here as I have considered 19's for my Jetta. I just missed out on swapping my Charlestons for some Porsche 19's like Awful-truth had.
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My 19" wheels are going to be a pain to fit though I think.. 9x19 Et53 but with a Pcd adapter of 15mm so final et of 38... I'm going to try two wheels on in a minute without tyres to give me an idea
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Hi Eddie07
can i ask where did you buy your 19" Monza alloys
and how much was they etc....
thanks in advance for reply
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Hi Eddie07
can i ask where did you buy your 19" Monza alloys
and how much was they etc....
thanks in advance for reply
Bought them off gumtree. They'd literally been on there for 30 seconds the guy said. Was just a fluke...there up for sale now on the forum.