MK5 Golf GTI
General => Shows, Events and Meets => Topic started by: Phil Mcavity on October 03, 2009, 03:26:01 pm
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Just back from a fairly good turnout from t'other forum GolfGTi RR day at Jkm. Nice to see Ian (Hedge) Dominic (DomT) Stu (vRStu) Shaun (Teutonic Tamer) Terry (Telboy) with his awesome R36 beast!! jack (Jackc)to name a a few regular names.At least 20 runners this time out...
Got tempted again to put Phylis on the rollers, and even beat last time outs results with 281bhp this time out!!. Very healthy output for its lack of under the bonnet mods from my Stage 1 Bluefin.Air temperature was cooler then it was 2 weeks ago so saw an improvement in torque and bhp.
Im sure the others will post up their results in due course along with some photo's no doubt from the event.
My Graph....
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Again enjoyed everyones company :happy2:
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Shouldn't that be nearer 300bhp for stage 1???
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These rollers tend to read more accuratly.Same car on superchips rollers would show over 300bhp.Stock bhp of a GTi was around 230, and stock ed30 250's on those rollers just as an example.
Jkms will show 200 and 230 approx as stock readings for those respective cars.
Believe which one you want to believe.
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Stage one remaps on these engines usually add approx 70bhp, so regardless of the rollers, what did yours make standard? Mine made 312Bhp using Vagcom, looking forward to getting it on SRR as they are very accurate.
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I'd be Highly surprised with 70bhp from just a Remap. Unless your on Superchips RR :P :P
JKM's rollers are regarded as being extremely accurate so i wouldn't doubt what your seeing for Phil's Graph.
Carl :happy2:
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One of my Stardard runs at jkm......The worst run as my fuel tank had Redex in it :ashamed:, another was 233bhp.
On the Money.
Agree'd 70bhp claim is abit extreme.
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Stage one remaps on these engines usually add approx 70bhp, so regardless of the rollers, what did yours make standard? Mine made 312Bhp using Vagcom, looking forward to getting it on SRR as they are very accurate.
If you want to see that sort of figure from stage 1 then either stick to SuperChips rollers or ask Charlie at SRR to massage your figures before he runs your car.
What makes you think you'll see +70hp from stage 1?
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jees your results get better and better every time, youll be up there with the big boy willy wavers soon steve! :grin:
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Stage one remaps on these engines usually add approx 70bhp, so regardless of the rollers, what did yours make standard? Mine made 312Bhp using Vagcom, looking forward to getting it on SRR as they are very accurate.
If you want to see that sort of figure from stage 1 then either stick to SuperChips rollers or ask Charlie at SRR to massage your figures before he runs your car.
What makes you think you'll see +70hp from stage 1?
Im on stage 2, so will be hoping for north of 300/310, and Oettinger maps are always very strong, which I found on my 8P S3 - For me its not about out and out figures, but increase from the base figure, and even more importantly how the car drives.
And reference massaging the figures, don't be silly! All Im saying that most mappers - REVO, APS, Oettinger etc quote around 300BHP on the ED30/S3 engine, which is a 70BHP increase from standard!
And Phil thanks for posting up your before figures.
When is stage 2 happening :happy2:
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well from an S3 its only 35 brake increase so i dont think 70 for an eddy does sound ridiculous at all its a long time argument that will never end i think! will be good to see how my car stacks up to philys as we were both timid about going for the maps and have gone in different directions but as you say oli its all about how you feel the car not about willy waving :signLOL:
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well from an S3 its only 35 brake increase so i dont think 70 for an eddy does sound ridiculous at all its a long time argument that will never end i think! will be good to see how my car stacks up to philys as we were both timid about going for the maps and have gone in different directions but as you say oli its all about how you feel the car not about willy waving :signLOL:
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FWIW Steve's map doesn't appear to be ideal as that graph looks like there is a significant boost spike early on (which gives the greater peak hp figure) and then the car pulls back which could be heard while it was on the dyno.
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Oettinger remaps is really APR remaps these days.....
PhilMc (Steve)...do you feel that torque hit at 3500rpm when u drive the car on the road??
Its a bit peaky for my liking...but maybe its just the scaling of the dyno plot that makes it look like that!
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And reference massaging the figures, don't be silly! All Im saying that most mappers - REVO, APS, Oettinger etc quote around 300BHP on the ED30/S3 engine, which is a 70BHP increase from standard!
REVO, APR etc also quote a 55bhp for the Skoda vRS/MK5 GTi
But you NEVER get anywhere near that figure with just a Remap alone. End of. I've seen numerous 2.0TFSi's on Rollers (and that's Golf,Leon,Octavia etc) and not one of those at stage 1 has ever made the quoted figure that the tuning companies state. The map's i have seen run are Bluefin,REVO & APR
You will usually get the Torque but i have never seen anyone get the stated claim for stage 1.
I have seen a 2.0TFSi get 266bhp on Stage 1 BUT it had virtually all the same mods i have with Stage 2+
I'm not trying to cause an argument/bunfight but unless i see those figures reached on a reliable RR (i.e. the likes of JKM) then i will stick my neck out and say they aren't possible with a JUST a remap
Carl :happy2:
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FWIW Steve's map doesn't appear to be ideal as that graph looks like there is a significant boost spike early on (which gives the greater peak hp figure) and then the car pulls back which could be heard while it was on the dyno.
To be fair, it pulled a higher bhp figure on its 1st run, then went back to its previous RR figures to 277 with a much lower curve with peak torque below 300Ilb ft.
I am gonna run it past Superchips to see if they'll look into it, but how much do you get for only paying £185 for one of their handsets.
Ill find out monday if they dont hang up :smiley:.
Stage one remaps on these engines usually add approx 70bhp, so regardless of the rollers, what did yours make standard? Mine made 312Bhp using Vagcom, looking forward to getting it on SRR as they are very accurate.
If you want to see that sort of figure from stage 1 then either stick to SuperChips rollers or ask Charlie at SRR to massage your figures before he runs your car.
What makes you think you'll see +70hp from stage 1?
And Phil thanks for posting up your before figures.
When is stage 2 happening :happy2:
I Think with the cars manners on the road now, i think its the point when if you want more , you'll have to add alot more to make the car able to feel it can cope with all the extra oomphh.
Im gonna be plowing my remaining funds into Greenouses Alloys, and that will be that for me.
I dont wanna spend on Brakes, Intercoolers, down pipe/Cat etc to make Stage2 a big leap. From what ive see from other cars , theres little benefit to make it viable for getting on to 300bhp from a front wheel drive car, without SERIOUS money being spent.
Ive done what i never thought id be able to spend some of my hard earned TBH, now its time to treat the person and my kids the rest of my hard earned on them..........
Oh and to Pay for a course on "How to understand Photoshop" :wink:
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Lol, I really hope that this doesn't turn into one of "those" threads.................. :chicken:
Glad you had a good time at JKM chaps. What did Dom get?
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This is what she ran two weeks ago, torque curve was less aggressive and like i said , the two other runs today were settling back to this graph.
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To drive lee, I dont feel just at 3500rpm, i feels constant right to the redline from just under 3000. Different on the road then what the graphs tend to show. Either way, its dam quick, and even following a Lotus Exige and Audi R8 on the way home, the R8 didnt make much ground on me, which surprised me quite alot.
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Glad you had a good time at JKM chaps. What did Dom get?
His best was 322bhp chris. stage2 +Revo with timing backed off at 4 on the select switch!.
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Glad you had a good time at JKM chaps. What did Dom get?
His best was 322bhp chris. stage2 +Revo with timing backed off at 4 on the select switch!.
Muchos Gracias! :smiley:
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Any pics of the meet itself?
Good to hear you had a good time.
Wish I could have been there but have moved out of Wessex a few months ago. My car felt a lot safer down there plus there were lots of NSL roads around too.
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I think you might find more pics over on t'other site in the events section. People from that forum had the camera's jazz. :happy2:
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Lol, I really hope that this doesn't turn into one of "those" threads.................. :chicken:
Glad you had a good time at JKM chaps. What did Dom get?
It look like it already has :fighting:
A simple comment was all that was made.........
And Ive had plenty of remaps on plenty or cars, and my bum dyno has always been the best judge, and the fact I hang off the rear bumpers of all sorts of exotica!
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Lol, I really hope that this doesn't turn into one of "those" threads.................. :chicken:
Glad you had a good time at JKM chaps. What did Dom get?
It look like it already has :fighting:
A simple comment was all that was made.........
And Ive had plenty of remaps on plenty or cars, and my bum dyno has always been the best judge, and the fact I hang off the rear bumpers of all sorts of exotica!
Yes but your simple comment was to rubbish the true dyno print for someones car in favour of marketing figures used by tuners.
I have a stage 1 file and I wouldn't expect to see 300hp and that's starting at 265hp and not 230hp.
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Thats tosh, I never rubbished anyones dyno, just stated, and I quote;
Shouldn't that be nearer 300bhp for stage 1???
And you just get the typical over sensitive reactions of some people, who mis read your comment, which is standard when the english language is written and not spoken.
Over and out :innocent:
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:popcornsoda:
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Ok to update, reference the torque spike on my last graph, superchips have sent me a tweaked file to try counter the over boost that was heard and seen on the graph from saturday. it should smoothen out issue and maybe improove the way she feels on the road.
Once again Customer service support from Superchips has been 1st class. :notworthy:
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Ok full Photo gallery is now available...........
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/GalleryRollingroad.htm
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Be interesting to see what difference the tweaked file makes - look forward to seeing the next set of graphs :wink:
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I just found out yesterday we have a conflicting event here local the same day..we will see we may still come to this event to see my AMC buddies
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I just found out yesterday we have a conflicting event here local the same day..we will see we may still come to this event to see my AMC buddies
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I just found out yesterday we have a conflicting event here local the same day..we will see we may still come to this event to see my AMC buddies
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Time traveler. :laugh:
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Nope its our mistake i found a pic on the JKM web site of Robin putting his car on the rollers the very same day. :P
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:signLOL:
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One of my favourite whacky actors! A compliment to be likened to him :notworthy:
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I just found out yesterday we have a conflicting event here local the same day..we will see we may still come to this event to see my AMC buddies
ill have what he's drinking :scared: :confused:
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One of my favourite whacky actors! A compliment to be likened to him :notworthy:
He doesn't have your bling pendant though... :laugh:
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One of my favourite whacky actors! A compliment to be likened to him :notworthy:
He doesn't have your bling pendant though... :laugh:
Arh but he does :wink:
No i'd say our Robin looks more like jimmy Saville :notworthy:
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i'd say our Robin looks more like jimmy Saville
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Pendant? What pendant!?
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