MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: MancBen on October 05, 2009, 11:23:25 am
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Morning chaps,
When pressing on (ie shifting hard through the gears) I have found that the clutch pedal is sticking at the furthest point of travel and is springing back to it's original position slowly. It feels like a hydraulic issue, the clutch itself seems to be operating fine (bite etc) and everything works fine in day to day driving. Could it be the Master Cylinder ?
Brake fluid was changed 2 months ago.
Car is a 55 plate manual Gti on 20K
Cheers
Ben :smiley:
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TTT
Me and pov have same issue, we have both had our master cylinders changed but the problem is still there..
Any one else?
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TTT
Me and pov have same issue, we have both had our master cylinders changed but the problem is still there..
Any one else?
Since I've had this issue... I have had... wait for this...
New clutch
New release Bearing
New Dual Mass Fly Wheel
New Fluids
New Master Cylinder
New Regulator Valve (It's like a round, black, plastic sealed unit attached to the bulkhead which is part of the clutch pipework ... it was squeaking and vibrating when depressing the clutch).
... and guess what, it started doing it again at the weekend. Only when I'm giving it some stick.... but so what... it should still bloody work !!
Apparently there is a return spring on the pedal assembly, which I could be pressing beyond it's limit when changing hard... so this is next up for investigation.
... and to think I discounted DSG because I felt there could be some nasty cost associated with it... the fecking Irony !!
Gonna give it another couple of tries and if I can't get it fully sorted soon... I'm going to flog it... I'm that pissed off. :fighting:
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OMG man thats a shame..
Mine does it after i have had my foot on the break coming to a junction then when i let off the break and go for the clutch it is really week and sticks down untill i pull it back up...
so maybe something to do with the hydraulics or brakes system somwhere.
if it was just a spring surley it would do it all the time?
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if it was just a spring surley it would do it all the time?
... you would of thought so eh ?!
logic is that if I'm banging the clutch down, it could be the force and distance of movement that is making it over-extend its workable movement. To be honest, I'm not convinced either.
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I can replicate the issue every time and if i "bash" down the clutch and do some agressive shifts etc etc the clutch is fine, but its when i put my brakes on then need to use the clutch is where the issue starts...
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I can replicate the issue every time and if i "bash" down the clutch and do some agressive shifts etc etc the clutch is fine, but its when i put my brakes on then need to use the clutch is where the issue starts...
sounds weird... there is no link between clutch and brakes, that I can think of.
... probably due to the length of time that the clutch is depressed when you are stationary
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I can replicate the issue every time and if i "bash" down the clutch and do some agressive shifts etc etc the clutch is fine, but its when i put my brakes on then need to use the clutch is where the issue starts...
sounds weird... there is no link between clutch and brakes, that I can think of.
... probably due to the length of time that the clutch is depressed when you are stationary
the brakes use the same cylinder as the clutch and same fluid, its all linked in together i thought...
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what fluid are you using wayne?
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Actually thinking about it I think my clutch has stopped doing it. The other day I really did rip the sh*t out of it and it never did it. When I got my master cylinder changed at first it still did it but got better, then AMD did my brake fluid and it hasn't done it since I think. AMD use uprated fluid but I don't know what exactly
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Actually thinking about it I think my clutch has stopped doing it. The other day I really did rip the sh*t out of it and it never did it. When I got my master cylinder changed at first it still did it but got better, then AMD did my brake fluid and it hasn't done it since I think. AMD use uprated fluid but I don't know what exactly
In what situation is yours doing it ?
hmmm... uprated fluids... could be worth a punt
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Actually thinking about it I think my clutch has stopped doing it. The other day I really did rip the sh*t out of it and it never did it. When I got my master cylinder changed at first it still did it but got better, then AMD did my brake fluid and it hasn't done it since I think. AMD use uprated fluid but I don't know what exactly
In what situation is yours doing it ?
hmmm... uprated fluids... could be worth a punt
under numerous and continous WOT situations. Clutch pedal would start to stick to the whilst working up through te gears. Then it would get worse the longer I carried on driving with a WOT. At standstill with clutch depressed you would notice that the biting point of the clutch has changed aswell, really annoying. I don't understand why it's only just what seems to be the 3 of us suffering from this. Does everyone else not drive as hard as us or are we just unlucky? What's mods does your gti have?
I think my clutch first started to play up the day I ran a full stage 2 plus setup, could be heat related?
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i had the exact same problem with my previous Golf GT 170ps
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I had this exact same problem when I had mine. Car has very low mileage and hadnt been used for a couple of weeks. Cured it by pumping the clutch pedal fully down and up for 10 minutes, obviously car parked up and engine switched off. Worked a treat, 10 months later no problems.
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Actually thinking about it I think my clutch has stopped doing it. The other day I really did rip the sh*t out of it and it never did it. When I got my master cylinder changed at first it still did it but got better, then AMD did my brake fluid and it hasn't done it since I think. AMD use uprated fluid but I don't know what exactly
In what situation is yours doing it ?
hmmm... uprated fluids... could be worth a punt
under numerous and continous WOT situations. Clutch pedal would start to stick to the whilst working up through te gears. Then it would get worse the longer I carried on driving with a WOT. At standstill with clutch depressed you would notice that the biting point of the clutch has changed aswell, really annoying. I don't understand why it's only just what seems to be the 3 of us suffering from this. Does everyone else not drive as hard as us or are we just unlucky? What's mods does your gti have?
I think my clutch first started to play up the day I ran a full stage 2 plus setup, could be heat related?
None, totally standard - I've spent all my mod money on trying to resolve this sh*tty issue.... Could be at Stage 2 for the amount of wedge I've so far launched down the drain.
I'm not even going to wash it until it's fixed. That'll serve it right !!
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i had the exact same problem with my previous Golf GT 170ps
... and what fixed it ? Do tell
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This thread is mad, who advised you to swap all those parts just to fix a sticking pedal. Have you taken it to a garage at all Ben. :smiley:
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what fluid are you using wayne?
just had it all re bled using OEM specific fluid, same boiling temp as original i would assume
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This thread is mad, who advised you to swap all those parts just to fix a sticking pedal. Have you taken it to a garage at all Ben. :smiley:
I know, I know... I'd be wonderinging the same thing, if it wasn't actually happening to me.
The story is that it was in VW for some new pads (a few months ago) and I asked them to investigate the issue with the clutch whilst they were at it.
The feedback was that it was the thrust bearing and that VW Uk wouldn't give any financial support to help fix it, even though the car had full VW serice history and was less than 4 year old. I told them to stick it up there arse.
So I got my local guy (Prosport) to sort the Bearing and clutch out.. while the box was dropped it was clear the DMF was shagged, so this was replaced too.
Problem seemed to have gone, but came back.... I took it straight back to the garage to show them the problem 'live'. It was clear that the regulator valve was squeeking and vibrating, so we changed this as it's a sealed unit, when the system was put back there was no pressure from the master cylinder, so this was also changed... and all was good, for a few days, until now.
.... and that's where I'm up to.
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Actually thinking about it I think my clutch has stopped doing it. The other day I really did rip the sh*t out of it and it never did it. When I got my master cylinder changed at first it still did it but got better, then AMD did my brake fluid and it hasn't done it since I think. AMD use uprated fluid but I don't know what exactly
In what situation is yours doing it ?
hmmm... uprated fluids... could be worth a punt
under numerous and continous WOT situations. Clutch pedal would start to stick to the whilst working up through te gears. Then it would get worse the longer I carried on driving with a WOT. At standstill with clutch depressed you would notice that the biting point of the clutch has changed aswell, really annoying. I don't understand why it's only just what seems to be the 3 of us suffering from this. Does everyone else not drive as hard as us or are we just unlucky? What's mods does your gti have?
I think my clutch first started to play up the day I ran a full stage 2 plus setup, could be heat related?
None, totally standard - I've spent all my mod money on trying to resolve this sh*tty issue.... Could be at Stage 2 for the amount of wedge I've so far launched down the drain.
I'm not even going to wash it until it's fixed. That'll serve it right !!
Does yours do it when driving normally? Wayne says his does it even when the car is cold! Really odd problem.
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What about the slave cylinder? Wayne can you pm me rays number please mate.
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This thread is mad, who advised you to swap all those parts just to fix a sticking pedal. Have you taken it to a garage at all Ben. :smiley:
I know, I know... I'd be wonderinging the same thing, if it wasn't actually happening to me.
The story is that it was in VW for some new pads (a few months ago) and I asked them to investigate the issue with the clutch whilst they were at it.
The feedback was that it was the thrust bearing and that VW Uk wouldn't give any financial support to help fix it, even though the car had full VW serice history and was less than 4 year old. I told them to stick it up there arse.
So I got my local guy (Prosport) to sort the Bearing and clutch out.. while the box was dropped it was clear the DMF was shagged, so this was replaced too.
Problem seemed to have gone, but came back.... I took it straight back to the garage to show them the problem 'live'. It was clear that the regulator valve was squeeking and vibrating, so we changed this as it's a sealed unit, when the system was put back there was no pressure from the master cylinder, so this was also changed... and all was good, for a few days, until now.
.... and that's where I'm up to.
You think VW would have a record of this happening on other cars and have discovered what actually fixes the problem. :rolleye:
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This thread is mad, who advised you to swap all those parts just to fix a sticking pedal. Have you taken it to a garage at all Ben. :smiley:
I know, I know... I'd be wonderinging the same thing, if it wasn't actually happening to me.
The story is that it was in VW for some new pads (a few months ago) and I asked them to investigate the issue with the clutch whilst they were at it.
The feedback was that it was the thrust bearing and that VW Uk wouldn't give any financial support to help fix it, even though the car had full VW serice history and was less than 4 year old. I told them to stick it up there arse.
So I got my local guy (Prosport) to sort the Bearing and clutch out.. while the box was dropped it was clear the DMF was shagged, so this was replaced too.
Problem seemed to have gone, but came back.... I took it straight back to the garage to show them the problem 'live'. It was clear that the regulator valve was squeeking and vibrating, so we changed this as it's a sealed unit, when the system was put back there was no pressure from the master cylinder, so this was also changed... and all was good, for a few days, until now.
.... and that's where I'm up to.
You think VW would have a record of this happening on other cars and have discovered what actually fixes the problem. :rolleye:
Dont be silly. VAG UK ie seat uk vw uk etc are useless! If we had such a poor record of being able to fix things in my line of work we would get hung drawn and quartered! :laugh:
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You think VW would have a record of this happening on other cars and have discovered what actually fixes the problem. :rolleye:
Yeah you would have, wouldn't you... bunch of gimps
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Does yours do it when driving normally? Wayne says his does it even when the car is cold! Really odd problem.
It did... but now just when I boot it
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mines slightly different, its when i am applying the brakes slowing down for a junction then i need to change down a gear and thats when it goes all soft (the pedal lol) and sticks to the floor..
using the clutch normally with no braking is fine
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Does yours do it when driving normally? Wayne says his does it even when the car is cold! Really odd problem.
It did... but now just when I boot it
Weird. Maybe we should email all the good indies like APS, VAGTECH, JKM etc and see if they can help
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i had the exact same problem with my previous Golf GT 170ps
... and what fixed it ? Do tell
I didn't, VW couldnt find any problems :stupid:
Sold that car, only had it for around 3 months
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so its just affected 4 people? Or are there more to come out of the woodwork?
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Just to let you know... I had the slave cylinder changed. And this has fixed the problem.
Interestingly... it looked like my new DMF was knackered as there was quite a bit of play in it. On consultation with the manufacturer, LUK, it appears that this is well within tolerance (I don't think VW are aware of this, so if they advise you that an new one is required, make sure you double check.... as they're not cheap!!). Apparently, up to 17 degree rotational movement is fine and about 4-5 mm lateral movement is within tolerance.
Great to have it back working again.
Ben :smiley:
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Just a quick one I had the SAME issue with my car about 18months ago, I had the dealer take it back in under warranty and they played with it for a FULL week, changed loads of bits, for the problem to still be there.
Then one of the techs found a brake hose with the internals crushed, they replaced the hose bled the system jobs a good un...
No problems even since ...
:happy2:
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just ordered some HEL braided brake lines :happy2:
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mines gone aswell, but I cant say what did it as my car had major work done on related components
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it will come back dood, mine was fixed for all of 20 mins (the time it took me to get home and put revo back on)
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Hi guys, iv the same problem, clutch has just started sticking the odd time, usually when taking off from junction in 1st gear,it sticks half way and does not go as far down as the floor, any common fix?
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TTT
Me and pov have same issue, we have both had our master cylinders changed but the problem is still there..
Any one else?
Since I've had this issue... I have had... wait for this...
New clutch
New release Bearing
New Dual Mass Fly Wheel
New Fluids
New Master Cylinder
New Regulator Valve (It's like a round, black, plastic sealed unit attached to the bulkhead which is part of the clutch pipework ... it was squeaking and vibrating when depressing the clutch).
... and guess what, it started doing it again at the weekend. Only when I'm giving it some stick.... but so what... it should still bloody work !!
Apparently there is a return spring on the pedal assembly, which I could be pressing beyond it's limit when changing hard... so this is next up for investigation.
... and to think I discounted DSG because I felt there could be some nasty cost associated with it... the fecking Irony !!
Gonna give it another couple of tries and if I can't get it fully sorted soon... I'm going to flog it... I'm that pissed off. :fighting:
I have exact same problems, and have now had all the above parts now changed apart from clutch and still doing it. :fighting: Gutted :sad1: Still, the one chink of light is that Steve at Statllers is on the case and if anyone can sort it, I believe he can.
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have now had all the above parts now changed apart from clutch and still doing it. :fighting: Gutted :sad1: Still, the one chink of light is that Steve at Statllers is on the case and if anyone can sort it, I believe he can.
That's not good Andy.
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I've also got this issue. Bit more similar to Ben's, where it sticks when pushing the car hard. Clutch has never felt good, rattle from DMF is ridiculous and shifts don't feel right either.
I'm dreading getting all those bits replaced. Might just part chop for the new Tiguan R. :sad1:
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Well I will join in on this escapade, well as you guys might know it well it's one after all.
I had my clutch, slave cylinder/throw out bearing, master cylinder and full system bleed.
I have thought about replacing the sealed unit as well as the black unit that hangs off the slave.
The only slight difference I have is that when its cold, the clutch works perfectly, when the clutch gets warm, it drops the biting point from the top of the pedal almost to the floor.
But let it stand for 10-15 minutes and the pedal is perfect.
So I too have been on the hunt for the issue. I won't have my car back for at least another 10-14 days.
Will reassess the car then.
Much like one of the other members here, I decided too, to get the manual over DSG.
I owned a TDI DSG before my GTI.
Now I can drive my manual or the girlfriends DSG GTI. So best of both worlds?
Or is that problem from both camps?
But the idea of a damaged brake line? I can possibly see how that could affect it.
I owned a Audi B6 TDI a few years back (stunning car 130hp) but as you drove it the brakes would engage to the point the car would hardly move, then release pressure from one of the hoses. Car would then drive perfectly till problem re-occurred.
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have now had all the above parts now changed apart from clutch and still doing it. :fighting: Gutted :sad1: Still, the one chink of light is that Steve at Statllers is on the case and if anyone can sort it, I believe he can.
That's not good Andy.
yeah not good, am considering going back to stage 1 am that miffed off with it
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have now had all the above parts now changed apart from clutch and still doing it. :fighting: Gutted :sad1: Still, the one chink of light is that Steve at Statllers is on the case and if anyone can sort it, I believe he can.
That's not good Andy.
yeah not good, am considering going back to stage 1 am that miffed off with it
If all the parts bar the clutch have been changed and its still doing it then its prob the clutch! :signLOL:
Pressure plate is really the only thing that pushes the slave back so maybe the forks are weak.
Did the clutch look ok?
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hi alex, yeah clutch looked ok.
not done bleed block as thought might be more to it and DMF was definately ko'ed so box did need to be dropped. tbh if clutch has gone wish i would have gone for a loba clutch and smf although would need to ask Steve about prices
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hi alex, yeah clutch looked ok.
not done bleed block as thought might be more to it and DMF was definately ko'ed so box did need to be dropped. tbh if clutch has gone wish i would have gone for a loba clutch and smf although would need to ask Steve about prices
I want that bleed block modded by Monday! :evilgrin: If there is any sh*te in the block then it could be occationally blocking and restricting flow. :fighting: :signLOL:
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hi alex, yeah clutch looked ok.
not done bleed block as thought might be more to it and DMF was definately ko'ed so box did need to be dropped. tbh if clutch has gone wish i would have gone for a loba clutch and smf although would need to ask Steve about prices
I want that bleed block modded by Monday! :evilgrin: If there is any sh*te in the block then it could be occationally blocking and restricting flow. :fighting: :signLOL:
ha ha :mad: