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Title: Missing plane ........... Any ideas
Post by: Jonathon555 on March 15, 2014, 07:42:47 pm
Anybody got any good theories

In all honesty i have no idea where it has gone , why you are allowed to disable the tracking in the first place is anyones guess.

1. But if its been hijacked by the pilots (working from info available ) , where are there families now ? Are they being held hostage by someone ?

2. If its landed somewhere ( did it have enough fuel to get to somalia ?) or another dodgy country

3. It maybe at the bottom of the Indian ocean ( but facts say its not under water) as this would have triggered the black box transponder

Surely they can track it from sattellite images


But as someone says , why is nobodys phone working ? But there has been reports of people phone ringing after the plane went missing
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Post by: Jenks on March 15, 2014, 07:47:24 pm
..damn strange story so far!
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Post by: rich83 on March 15, 2014, 07:48:46 pm
very odd...
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Post by: Wardy91-ed30 on March 15, 2014, 07:49:53 pm
Yeah I'm keeping a close eye on it all. Very interested, I'm out of ideas tbh
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Post by: Marc-5-GTI on March 15, 2014, 07:52:50 pm
A) It's flew into a space/time loop hole and has travelled into 2114

B) It must of flew fairly low to avoid radar...

C) it's hit the water very slowly and sank... And had a faulty box?

D) ALIENS!
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Post by: biffobear on March 15, 2014, 08:04:42 pm
Very strange that any country it was over didn't pick it up on military or civil aviation radar and sent military planes to intercept or communicate with it, that might have happened and the country involved blew it out the sky thinking it was a threat and are keeping quiet about it
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Post by: Jonathon555 on March 15, 2014, 08:05:57 pm
Very strange that any country it was over didn't pick it up on military or civil aviation radar and sent military planes to intercept or communicate with it, that might have happened and the country involved blew it out the sky thinking it was a threat and are keeping quiet about it

Its happened before
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Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on March 15, 2014, 08:06:51 pm
Its at the bottom of the sea.........

I use ACARS most days when Im working, if I want to make my Aircraft Invisible I can do it in 4 button presses......Civilian Air Traffic dont have a green screen with blips on anymore its all very clever Mode S databurst, static antennas....ATC now know which buttons I press at 43,000 feet

Hijacked, ran out of fuel, Hypoxic Crew, high speed impact.....if you're really bored and want to waste 3 hours of your life you will NEVER get back then have a read. Theres thoughts that it may be sat at an airport somewhere undetected.......

In which case the 240 Souls will either be

dead on board in which case it wont be going anywhere soon as it will be quite smelly

alive and the hijackers will be sorting 720 meals per day and a van full of water every 12 hours

dead in a pile 60 feet high visible by satellite or buried in a trench 150 meters long....

Apologies for my scepticism!

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost.html (http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost.html)
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Post by: MAT ED30 on March 15, 2014, 08:12:11 pm
Is it really that easy Dave to make it disappear of radar  :scared:  :surprised:
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Post by: Degudodger on March 15, 2014, 08:16:27 pm
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Post by: MAT ED30 on March 15, 2014, 08:17:57 pm
^^^ that did spring to my mind too
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Post by: Jonathon555 on March 15, 2014, 08:20:02 pm
Its at the bottom of the sea.........

I use ACARS most days when Im working, if I want to make my Aircraft Invisible I can do it in 4 button presses......Civilian Air Traffic dont have a green screen with blips on anymore its all very clever Mode S databurst, static antennas....ATC now know which buttons I press at 43,000 feet

Hijacked, ran out of fuel, Hypoxic Crew, high speed impact.....if you're really bored and want to waste 3 hours of your life you will NEVER get back then have a read. Theres thoughts that it may be sat at an airport somewhere undetected.......

In which case the 240 Souls will either be

dead on board in which case it wont be going anywhere soon as it will be quite smelly

alive and the hijackers will be sorting 720 meals per day and a van full of water every 12 hours

dead in a pile 60 feet high visible by satellite or buried in a trench 150 meters long....

Apologies for my scepticism!

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost.html (http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost.html)


Thanks for the informed post.

I have had a quick look at the link , it looks as though people think it was carrying treasure ...... Along with 100 other ideas
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Post by: Joshy on March 15, 2014, 08:21:47 pm
I dont think its at the bottom of the sea. Bits of the plane would float and its likely they would have been noticed.
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Post by: tony_danza on March 15, 2014, 08:24:30 pm
They managed to land a plane intact on the Hudson, why is it necessarily in bits?
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Post by: MAT ED30 on March 15, 2014, 08:26:36 pm
They managed to land a plane intact on the Hudson, why is it necessarily in bits?

Very true but was that a smaller plane if that make a difference
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Post by: Stanipkiss on March 15, 2014, 08:29:11 pm
It is very bizarre but I also feel for the families that don't know where there loved ones are  :sad1:
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Post by: tony_danza on March 15, 2014, 08:33:08 pm
I'm sure all planes are designed to be able to make a landing on water, despite the chances of it actually doing so being very very slim.
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Post by: Wardy91-ed30 on March 15, 2014, 08:34:55 pm
It is very bizarre but I also feel for the families that don't know where there loved ones are  :sad1:

Yeah I'm with you there. Can't imagine what they're going through, just not knowing at all
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Post by: MAT ED30 on March 15, 2014, 08:35:13 pm
Sure pilots like Dave will do loads of flight sim training for strange landings like that
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Post by: rich83 on March 15, 2014, 08:38:15 pm
Lets say that the comms/nav went down.. why didnt the pilot turn back to land? There no way he would just keep flying and then make an emergency landing on water.

So either the pilots went mad and binned it... or it was hijacked and the hijackers binned it.
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Post by: Orc on March 15, 2014, 08:48:28 pm
This is also puzzling me, some great theories there guys but in all honesty I can't see how a plane so big can just disappear nor how 2 people now days can get through security with fake passports?? With all the security how can this happen. The only theory is there's an inside party??? I just hope for the sake of all the families it's found with everyone safe!
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Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on March 15, 2014, 08:53:17 pm
They give you a life raft, they give you a safety card with ditching instructions but the chances of surviving a ditching and the aircraft being in one piece are practically NIL, Mr sully got it very very right on the Hudson and he was very very lucky that the wind was blowing in the right direction, we get "The sully" every year in the sim - if Im lucky i get it near the hudson

Indian ocean, middle of a moonless night, Hypoxic Crew, HUGE aircraft (Much bigger than the A320 on the hudson) pretty but useless cabin crew....

Oh and sharks - did I mention sharks....

Its a very great shame but theyre all dead

If it was hijacked then it may have been the Flight Crew themselves, they may have been shot down, the Singaporean Air Force does not F**k about, theyve got Typhoons out of Changi that we're going all night last time I was there.....

People think all air carriers are safe - that part of the world is full of air carriers that should not be operating, they have major cultural differences that dont welcome the positive influence of expat western crew, same in China, Same in India, Same in Korea, Japan........they have huge cockpit gradients between captains and first officers which western airlines identified as a problem in the 70's and sorted out - pacific rim / eastern airlines not so

Korean air put one on its roof once a year! I could rattle off 10 carriers I would not fly on in a heartbeat

Shame!

Title: Re: Missing plane ........... Any ideas
Post by: Jonathon555 on March 15, 2014, 08:59:20 pm
They give you a life raft, they give you a safety card with ditching instructions but the chances of surviving a ditching and the aircraft being in one piece are practically NIL, Mr sully got it very very right on the Hudson and he was very very lucky that the wind was blowing in the right direction, we get "The sully" every year in the sim - if Im lucky i get it near the hudson

Indian ocean, middle of a moonless night, Hypoxic Crew, HUGE aircraft (Much bigger than the A320 on the hudson) pretty but useless cabin crew....

Oh and sharks - did I mention sharks....

Its a very great shame but theyre all dead

If it was hijacked then it may have been the Flight Crew themselves, they may have been shot down, the Singaporean Air Force does not F**k about, theyve got Typhoons out of Changi that we're going all night last time I was there.....

People think all air carriers are safe - that part of the world is full of air carriers that should not be operating, they have major cultural differences that dont welcome the positive influence of expat western crew, same in China, Same in India, Same in Korea, Japan........they have huge cockpit gradients between captains and first officers which western airlines identified as a problem in the 70's and sorted out - pacific rim / eastern airlines not so

Korean air put one on its roof once a year! I could rattle off 10 carriers I would not fly on in a heartbeat

Shame!



If they are hypoxic , why would it do a uturn ?   Then turn at way points. Would that be auto pilot
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Post by: Orc on March 15, 2014, 09:00:03 pm
Dave are you a flight commander? Very interesting info there mate.
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Post by: Orc on March 15, 2014, 09:01:01 pm
Also if the worst and they are all dead why does know body know about it? Covered up?
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Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on March 15, 2014, 09:01:40 pm
Lets say that the comms/nav went down.. why didnt the pilot turn back to land? There no way he would just keep flying and then make an emergency landing on water.

So either the pilots went mad and binned it... or it was hijacked and the hijackers binned it.

There is a theory that the aircraft did turn back then headed west, we can Squark certain codes to ATC to let them know whats going "75" still alive (Hijack) "76" in a fix (Radio failure) "77" going to heaven (Imminent danger of death), we have two/three transponders each on its own "circuit" each circuit separate from the other driven by its own engine generator, T7 is fly by wire as well so its got MEGA redundancy in terms of systems, theyre also ETOPS designed (extended twin engined operations) or ( engines turn or passengers swim) so it can stay up there for 211 minutes and keep everybody alive ON ONE ENGINE....

To lose everything is interference, its just impossible to turn the lights out unless you want to
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Post by: doylebros on March 15, 2014, 09:03:56 pm
I could rattle off 10 carriers I would not fly on in a heartbeat



Name them - things like that are worth knowing! :party:
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Post by: DaveB@Vagbremtechnic on March 15, 2014, 09:07:03 pm
Hijacker waits for First Officer to take a piss, pulls 3D printed gun from undies, threatens FO to gain access to pointy bit.......

Hijacker....."Whos in charge here"

Captain...."I am" - Captain gets shot in the head

Hijacker....."Whos in charge here" to FO

FO ......"You are!"

"Take me to [{ insert sh*thole lawless country here}]"

FO......"OK"

into Nav computer....DCT  [{ insert sh*thole lawless country here}].....aircraft turns - it'll figure out its short on fuel and tell you but Hijacker doesnt know any better

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Post by: Orc on March 15, 2014, 09:08:07 pm
Dave then on that basis hijacking is the only answer? And death?
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Post by: gazbutS3 on March 15, 2014, 09:09:46 pm
the maintenance on some of the domestic carriers in countries like China/Russia/India etc are shocking, I've worked on a few planes from these places and how they got off the ground I don't know, never mind landed safely. We had a 4 year old Chinese Bae 146 in and it was a right off and scrapped it was in such a state  :scared:
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Post by: Stevepd on March 15, 2014, 09:16:47 pm
I don't think we're getting all the information :grouphug: and more will be released (or not) later on.
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Post by: stealthwolf on March 15, 2014, 09:40:52 pm
I've heard conspiracy theorists talk about aliens and comets  :stupid:

Personally I reckon everyone's dead but either serious malfunction, shot out of the sky, or hijacked.
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Post by: phil1975 on March 15, 2014, 10:08:29 pm
Captivating story so far...

I can hear Hollywood circling already...
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Post by: MPS on March 15, 2014, 10:17:31 pm
I reckon it was something to do with the Uighur minority in Western China, the same lot who were responsible for the frenzied mass kniving attack at a Chinese railway station a couple of weeks ago. People always think 'no way, they're too small to dare do anything major like that' - exactly what people thought in the past until they were proved wrong - with 9/11.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=92744 (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=92744)

Stick that theory in your pipe and smoke it!
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Post by: Nodz on March 15, 2014, 10:31:02 pm
They've apparently raided the pilots house. They are concentrating on 2 flight paths one towards Turkmenistan/Kazakhstan and another over the Indian Ocean. They reckon the last information they received was the plan was 1000miles from Perth and that it was between 25000 and 45000 and was at 36000 the last time they got data.

It is strange but if its been ditched in the Indian Ocean thats not gonna be easy to find
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Post by: rdfcpete on March 15, 2014, 11:36:14 pm
Who remembers that Polish airline plane a couple of years back with several senior Polish parliamentary members (including one of the main ministers IIRC?) that crashed and VERY very quickly, it was moved away from the media and we heard nothing more about it, the most significant thing being that Russia took direct control (Putin himself) of the investigation of which no major conclusions were drawn and publically aired?

Yeah...

Seems bit like that doesn't it, screams of a cover up of some sort.
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Post by: swgti on March 17, 2014, 01:14:51 pm
The longer it goes on the stranger it gets, took them 2yrs or something to locate that Air France one a few years ago but they were always fairly confident of what had happened to it, this is a bit weird.
The American theory of it being taken for use later on as a weapon is quite scary but personally I wonder if there's been some sort of military intervention for example shot down by mistake or maybe collided with a new secret/stealth plane belonging to the Chinese so they'll try to divert any recovery operations as far away as possible until they've recovered their aircraft.
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Post by: Nodz on March 17, 2014, 02:12:11 pm
Some debris from the air france plane was was located in a couple of months it was 2years for the black boxes to be recovered iirc