MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Janner_Sy on October 09, 2009, 03:29:03 pm
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for some crazy reason i have just asked dubtek for quote on both side bsh engine mounts and the bottom dogmount mount. if the price is good ill get them(in two minds though, just in case the wife goes apesh!t :sad1:)what a loser, lol.
anybody who has had this sort of mod fitted know how much the labour would be to install these or at least the amount of hours to install them. I could be tempted to put the poly bushes on the fron suspension as well.
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Very easy and quick to install if you've got a properly equipped workshop. IIRC, 2 hours absolute max to do all three.
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RR's right the BSH version of the lower mount is easy as its a diff design (VWR's much less so, but better imho)
all 3 can be done by a reasonably competent mech.
Im prob gonna do my 2 side mounts myself :happy2:
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i have the vf dogbone and its cool but im after the bsh tranny /side mounts so maybe a dubtek groupbuy??
they are on special offer at the mo
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bshspeedshop.com%2Fstore%2Fimages%2FP%2Fbshmm14rs.jpg&hash=09102b37206a536648ec2d29e957bbeef6a4e374)
http://www.bshspeedshop.com/store/product.php?productid=16996&cat=0&page=1
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You can buy BSH stuff in the UK via Dubtek. If it's possible to give you a good deal he will - He's very good that way. He did the BSH CatchTank GB for us recently.
Personally I think the VWR mounts are more substantial but they may be more expensive. VF offer engine mounts too.
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im still in two minds though. do i get theses or do i rerplace all my suspension bushes with polyeurethane ones. and just do the lower engine mount to stop the engine movemnt a bit more. im after more feel in the steering
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do it i stages then , lower mount
then suspension bushes
then other side engine mounts if the lower mount isnt enough :happy2:
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My opinion.....
The VWR mounts are overpriced (this has been communicated to VWR by another forum member) for what they are in reality.
The Dubtek mounts look to be far better engineered. And are substanially cheaper, i think we are waiting for communication from BSH via Dubtek as to the possibility of a GB.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.volkswagenracing.co.uk%2FGolf%25205%2520Pages%2FDSC00191.JPG&hash=d2d3442f3924f20d5b17335150e22ee3270ff02b)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bshspeedshop.com%2Fstore%2Fimages%2FP%2Fbshmm14rs.jpg&hash=09102b37206a536648ec2d29e957bbeef6a4e374)
Again i must stress this is just my opinion, and not added to cause Controversy.
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just remember the lower VWR mount does not have a Uk equivalent that replaces the same 'bits' , I would only get that.
But yes for side mounts you could choose to go VWR/BSH etc as they are all very similar
2p
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do it i stages then , lower mount
then suspension bushes
then other side engine mounts if the lower mount isnt enough :happy2:
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I followed VWR's advice and only fitted the lower mount and it's the one that makes the most difference. I immediately felt the benefits but it lacked that sound I love so much in The Red Temptress - Adding the VWR side mounts solved that and gives me the Grrrrrrrrr!!
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My opinion.....
The VWR mounts are overpriced (this has been communicated to VWR by another forum member) for what they are in reality.
The Dubtek mounts look to be far better engineered. And are substanially cheaper, i think we are waiting for communication from BSH via Dubtek as to the possibility of a GB.
Again i must stress this is just my opinion, and not added to cause Controversy.
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....Respecting that this is your opinion and knowing that you are a helicopter engineer (or similar), I'm genuinely interested in why you think that the BSH offerings "look to be far better engineered". I'm not disagreeing with you but until I read and understand your reasoning I am keeping my mind open as to whether I agree this is so or not.
The VF mounts are another option but look less solid as a structure. As an engineer, Dave, what do you think of the VF mounts?
In my opinion, thinking that something is overpriced can be very subjective. Let's not forget that VWR's mounts will not be produced in large quantity as demand is somewhat limited. Also, BSH have already shown that they seem prepared to subsidise and reduce their profits on a product in order to promote themselves - It's a well-known marketing ploy which happens to benefit the consumer but doesn't necessarily mean that rival products are overpriced.
Having said that, perhaps VWR could offer their mounts at a cheaper price but I certainly had no problem paying their costs - It's a commercial decision which only they can and should be allowed to decide. When I was in business I occasionally had someone tell me I was too expensive but it was a very subjective opinion and usually used to try to negotiate a lower price.
Just like you, Dave, I'm merely discussing this openly and not seeking 'controversy'. :happy2:
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I am also thinking about engine mounts.
Unfortunately, could not get in touch with VWR regarding their engine mounts, as I was prepared to buy them on the spot.
Now I am thinking about VF Engineering mounts (those with red bushes).
But there is also BSH.
Really at cross roads here. :sad1:
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cheers guys.
that was kinda the way im starting to think. If its the bottom one that makes the biggest difference ill get that first, along with the bushes, then the side mounts ill get at a later date. That is unless dbtek offers an extra special price.
....but i could also do with an intercooler. tooo many choices
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Yes, regardless of what may be differing opinions about which engine mounts are best/cheapest etc, I think we are all agreed or have the experience that the lower mount is the one which does the most to reduce engine movement and deliver the consequential benefits.
Don't forget to include a Quaife on your list! :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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looking into powerflex bushes jnow. Didnt realsie there are two stiffness's available.
purple are 20% stiffer than oem £242 for the rear £89.95
black 35-45% stiffer £269 for the rear £98 for the front.
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as said above im now looking at the suspension bushes.
but what would the effects be of only doing the front bushes on the car, along with the lower engine mount, whilst leaving the rear bushes as oem spec until a later date.
this would give the steering feel, but would it provide dodgy and soggy handling fromn the back end, if tyhats the case, id consider binning the lower engine mount for the time being and purely concentrating on the bushes front and rear. Im just envisaging a colossal labour cost to get all the bushes fitted front and rear.
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installed the quaife LSD with vwracing fast road lower engine mount and s3 suspension bushes today,it is awesome!! :jumping:
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Best mod ever is the LSD makes a great car soooooo much better
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absolutely! grip, poise are enhanced,likewise speed into corners.car has a more natural feel,no longer feeling like its front wheel drive.makes for a more involving and ultimately rewarding drive in the dry,more so in the wet.am glad i did it after a two year wait :happy2:
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U need the engine side mounts too :laugh:
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that will introduce the grrrrrrr that will cause me to lose all my teeth.. :grin:..but never say never :signLOL:
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You should have gone for the race versions then if u want to lose your teeth :grin:
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installed the quaife LSD with vwracing fast road lower engine mount and s3 suspension bushes today,it is awesome!! :jumping:
Whats the difference in the S3 bushes? Did you replace the whole chassis set of bushes?
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I think it will just be the walk type bushes as the s3 versions are stiffer
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race version will be too hardcore for me..my gums will start bleeding :laugh: as i dont track but enjoy fast drives on b roads.the s3 suspension bushes will make the steering sharper and front more planted.installing all 3 mounts will make the car tighter and stronger still but will introduce more grrrr which i cant tolerate over the long run..
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I did all my Mounts on my Previous vRS on the Driveway. No need for a well equipped workshop at all. Just need to have the correct tools and from memory there is nothing special.
Had the help of vRStu which made things a lot easier. Took the 2 of us about 2 hours. Just remember to have a jack that can lift the engine up a bit or you might bend some bolts like some impetuous knobber (me :ashamed:) nearly did when removing them :laugh:
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I did all my Mounts on my Previous vRS on the Driveway. No need for a well equipped workshop at all. Just need to have the correct tools and from memory there is nothing special.
Had the help of vRStu which made things a lot easier. Took the 2 of us about 2 hours. Just remember to have a jack that can lift the engine up a bit or you might bend some bolts like some impetuous knobber (me :ashamed:) nearly did when removing them :laugh:
I'll be up Sunday so we can do mine, they're still sitting in the bl00dy garage!! :sad1:
tbh been thinking about selling them.......
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You can use my drive if you wish mate. However i won't be in :P
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I have recently changed to the S3 bushes on the front of my octy and it has made a world of difference. Much better than the carp oe ones and a lot less...£25 for the bushes and a mate to fit them :happy2: See how you get on and then see about the rears as it may be overkill and a waste of money better spent elsewhere doing the both.