MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: subaru26675 on October 09, 2009, 04:37:15 pm
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Here is my choice,
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1268013.htm
or
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/200936341078441/sort/priceasc/search-target/usedcars/make/volkswagen/model/golf/price-from/16000/price-to/20000/page/4/postcode/ab423dz/keywords/edition%2030?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fresults%2Fusedcars%2Fpostcode%2Fab423dz%2Fmake%2Fvolkswagen%2Fmodel%2Fgolf%2Fkeywords%2Fedition%252030%2Fprice-from%2F16000%2Fprice-to%2F20000%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc%2Fpage%2F4&anchor=advert200936341078441&logcode=p
Oh decisions decisions ! :grin:
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personally id take the S3 all day long :smiley:
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U'll never get an un-biased view here pal :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
I've had both and they are both crackin cars and you won't be disappointed with either :happy2:
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both cars come with £1000 off, deals negotiated on both :wink:
the remap on the golf and maybe suspension would be the guts of a thousand pounds, so really just 2 grand between the cars.
Kev
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S3 is 4 wheel drive, gets the power down alot better, unless you add a LSD :smiley:
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I had the same kind of decision to make, I went for the S3 in the end and am very pleased with my choice although I am sure I would have been just as happy with an ED30!
What you need to decide is whether the benefit of a AWD and a nicer interior justifies the cost difference of an S3 over an ED30 for YOU. Other than that both cars are very similar.
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purely because its modded well, i would have the S3
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The golf seems a little pricey to me
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as mentioned I can have the golf for 18K, S3 21K.
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Looked at the S3 and thought 'S3 FTW'
Then I looked at the ED30 and thought 'ED30 FTW' :rolleye:
Tough choice but a nice one to have to make! :happy2:
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s3, better vfm imo in this case. Bigger brakes, good choice of mods.
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of those two the S3 :happy2:, although I wouldnt generally buy a modded car (even though it makes better financial sense)
could prob get a bit more off than you think :wink:
ED30 looks overpriced for limited options
youre also comparing a 5dr ED30 vs a 3dr S3 ? :chicken:
good luck :happy2:
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S3 looks nice but think an ED30 is more fun. Nice choice tho.
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Tough choice- I'm really missing 4wd in this weather!!!, which is what we have more of in this country.
Have you driven an ED30 and S3? Go and look at both and go with your gut feeling, it will usually be the right one.
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I have driven a revo'd Gti (260BHP i think) and really enjoyed the drive but have to say the s3 looks like a better all rounder, brakes, 4wd, interior, etc etc.
Hopefully take the plunge tomorrow one way or another :drinking:
Kev
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Why are the lights on the GTi clear ??? Arent they supposed have a black background ????
This must have been modified...
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Thats a good spot Rich! :happy2:
They look like non-GTI lights to me! :confused:
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After owning an Audi it was the most bland car I have ever owned lol granted it was the same shape as the s3 but just the ko3 turbo one, it never felt connected to the road as such ie i felt too cut off from the driving enjoyment lol but then again a few good choice of mods good easy have sorted it. Pure and simple ?? Is do u need a 3 door haldex or front wheel drive 5 door.
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Ive owned both, and although the S3 is a better all-round package, the steering isn't as precise, hence why I'm on my 3rd MKV Golf. However there are pro's and cons with each, you decide! The ED30 is an awesome drive, but wet roads make a big difference.
My car has been really frustrating in this wet weather - but it does make you learn to drive it more.
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I was looking at that S3 last night, with nothing in mind, just like the S3 and a grey one looks :drool: :drool:
both cars look as if they have been played with, as Rich points out the lights are wrong on the Ed, the S3 however in thed pic below seems to have a Miltek fitted, or at least an aftermarket exhaust (type not clear) the tips are similar to my Milly.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.pistonheads.com%2Faimg%2F1268%2F1268013-3.jpg&hash=8af3afa8220337b635869f0d864611423ad0cd0a)
I had a short trip in Toms S3, and must say it felt better screwed together than my Ed, I think that was down to the soundproofing giving a quieter ride. I do like the S3, and have always hankered after one, however I think I won't be changing any time soon, the Ed is a great all round car for me.
Now if I roll back the clock to 18Months ago....................... I think the S3 would be the one, especially in Grey, That is my opinion, and we are all different, and hanker after differing goals.
:happy2:
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Go for the S3 .... looks a good one if you don't mind the mods (which appear good ones) and 4wd ready for the winter ..... Edition 30 is great but not in wet or slippery conditions !
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Thought now would be as good a time as any to become a pic whore, and show off my old S3;
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fh8%2Folih%2FS6300799.jpg&hash=193655cf74471c17208a5085b5346597b9543b0e)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fh8%2Folih%2FS6300803.jpg&hash=c41d47fed79e7989b55edc089aea6ebf0a54e5c3)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fh8%2Folih%2FS6300800.jpg&hash=b8ab1f34c7376d8bf2a808850a9f50065d186d71)
Mine was Oettinger stage II, and quite fast......
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The Golf is quite highly priced, sold mine for £16,600...same spec and year albeit 3 doors.
I'm liking the idea of the S3 myself when im back in a position to buy one...cant comment on how they compare to each other though.
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Thought now would be as good a time as any to become a pic whore, and show off my old S3;
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fh8%2Folih%2FS6300799.jpg&hash=193655cf74471c17208a5085b5346597b9543b0e)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fh8%2Folih%2FS6300803.jpg&hash=c41d47fed79e7989b55edc089aea6ebf0a54e5c3)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fh8%2Folih%2FS6300800.jpg&hash=b8ab1f34c7376d8bf2a808850a9f50065d186d71)
Mine was Oettinger stage II, and quite fast......
hey, there my wheels :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Correct, however I changed the colour darker after I took these pics!
Hope you are looking after them?
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O yes, was thinking of changing to something lighter, but they suit the car so well, I'm not gonna bother :smiley:
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If you can afford the extra £2k then I say the S3, in fact that price sounds pretty good really.
All the things you may eventually do to the Ed30 are already on the S3, it will cost less in the long run and less hassle as your not having to source and fit them. That 'if' you did mod the Ed30 that little bit more than a remap - which is rude not too :evilgrin:
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my ed 30 is going tomorrow :sad1: but my s3 should be here later in next week :jumping:
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The S3 had a miltek on but he has removed it for a separate sale, was a full de-cat system to which he said made a huge difference in performance.
Unfortunately i only have second chance at the s3, someone is going to see it in the morning.
On the edition 30, that is a good spot with the lights and to be honest has scared me off it a bit, why would you replace the lights unless it has had front end damage ???
With a bit of luck the s3 will still be available tomorrow night although i doubt it ! :sad:
Kev
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The lights could have been changed to fit in with the colour of the rest of the car, but I'd agree that it would be a strange modification to make.
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Go for the S3.. the ED30 is very basic with hardly any extras fitted to it. Just my 2 penth worth... :happy2:
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On the edition 30, that is a good spot with the lights and to be honest has scared me off it a bit, why would you replace the lights unless it has had front end damage ???
With a bit of luck the s3 will still be available tomorrow night although i doubt it ! :sad:
Kev
....It's not uncommon for the foglight lenses to get stone damaged etc to the extent of needing replacement (mine did for example).
Your comment "with a bit of luck" suggests your heart prefers the S3. Methinks you need to drive both to be able to decide. Driving will make your decision much easier.
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As i mentioned in an earlier post, i had a shot of my mates revo'd gti Mk5 and thought it was an excellent drive. I am only assuming the s3 with 310bhp will be a cracking car to drive with that added bit of quality over the golf.
Prices on the edition 30 do look a bit false and have inflated to a level too close to the S3, It is making the decision slightly easier.
Kev
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I would like to add that the advice and thoughts of you guys on here are very much appreciated and have real value in helping me out with my decision.
:drinking:
Kev
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I would just go and drive both cars, on paper the S3 looks the better car, but I think you could be surprised.
It also surprises me how many people are going on about buying the S3, as its a better build quality?? Agreed, but surely how they drive, being as the Golf is also well built, but not to Audi standard, is higher up on the wants list, or is it only me that thinks this?
Anyway good luck with your decision, you won't be disappointed with either, however on the arrival of the Golf R, I would expect the S3's residuals to take a little kicking, as will the R32's. To be fair prices have levelled on all models, and some are depreciating as normal again.
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I personally would go with the S3. Build quality is much better than the MK5 Golf (mine rattles and squeaks like a barstewards) which is a bit dissapointing really. Even though I've only had my car just over 3 weeks the rattles are really starting to piss me off to the point I'm thinking of getting rid of it ( oh and the DSG box is too jerky for my liking!)
I used to sell Audi's for a living so know how well built they are!
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S3 looks the better value to me.
The ED30 has no optional extras at all by the look of it.
Think I'd check very carefully on the history of both cars before parting with any cash :wink:
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It also surprises me how many people are going on about buying the S3, as its a better build quality?? Agreed, but surely how they drive, being as the Golf is also well built, but not to Audi standard, is higher up on the wants list, or is it only me that thinks this?
....No, you're not the only one, Oli. For me, how a car feels to drive is very very high up the list indeed. It's not about which car is the better value-for-money or 'residuals' either.
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I think that S3 is well priced. Ok, so I'm a little biased but I'd take the S3.
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I think that S3 is well priced. Ok, so I'm a little biased but I'd take the S3.
I think if i had to buy again, and had the same decision, I think I would too! S3's were too new 18months ago, and cost too much. Still the Ed is a lovely substitute.
:happy2:
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edition 30 all the way, the s3 does absolutely nothing for me. i also recon edition 30's will hold there money better in years to come. loads of s3 not so loads of ed30's always a bigger following for the golf.
as for traction LSD the ed30 for £1200 dont forget the s3 has the haldex all wheel drive system, not to be confused with a propper 4wd quattro.
s3 is heavier, haldex saps power through the transmision. ed30 ed30
disclaimer, this is just my opinion :pomppomp:
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as for traction LSD the ed30 for £1200 dont forget the s3 has the haldex all wheel drive system, not to be confused with a propper 4wd quattro.
s3 is heavier, haldex saps power through the transmision. ed30 ed30 :
I dont understand that? You make a point of it not being 4wd quattro which would sap lots of power (permanent 4wd) but then state haldex saps power?
Best bit about haldex is it only sends power to the rear when traction is lost, therefore its mostly FWD so very little power lost.
Both different cars, S3 is more GT than hot hatch which is what the ED30 is. Does a nicer interior and haldex warrent the extra price really?
I would go for the S3 because of the haldex, if the ed30 had it then i would choose that. The last few days of constant rain reminded me of how much of an upper hand it gives you over quick fwd cars :wink:
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all iam saying is that the haldex quattro system is not as good as the quattro system used on the s4 rs4 it is more front wheel drive and thus understeers like a front wheel drive. yes it has good grip but 4wd saps power through the transmision and weighs more.
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all iam saying is that the haldex quattro system is not as good as the quattro system used on the s4 rs4 it is more front wheel drive and thus understeers like a front wheel drive. yes it has good grip but 4wd saps power through the transmision and weighs more.
With the last few days of rain ive been more than happy in my heavier grippier car, even seen a few rwd cars fail that would usually be off in the distance :signLOL:
horses for course and all that though
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all iam saying is that the haldex quattro system is not as good as the quattro system used on the s4 rs4 it is more front wheel drive and thus understeers like a front wheel drive. yes it has good grip but 4wd saps power through the transmision and weighs more.
With the last few days of rain ive been more than happy in my heavier grippier car, even seen a few rwd cars fail that would usually be off in the distance :signLOL:
horses for course and all that though
Yeah ok..... 2 days of rain though previous 28 days of sunny weather....hmmmmm :laugh:
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all iam saying is that the haldex quattro system is not as good as the quattro system used on the s4 rs4 it is more front wheel drive and thus understeers like a front wheel drive. yes it has good grip but 4wd saps power through the transmision and weighs more.
With the last few days of rain ive been more than happy in my heavier grippier car, even seen a few rwd cars fail that would usually be off in the distance :signLOL:
horses for course and all that though
Yeah ok..... 2 days of rain though previous 28 days of sunny weather....hmmmmm :laugh:
On the motorway the rain doesnt slow down my progress much :laugh:
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I'm just fed up of hearing how good the R32 is, it isn't;
Any weather, any road, my edition 30 will anhialate a mkv/ mkiv R32. They are a nice cruiser, but I just found mine too heavy - especially in the nose, too thirsty( I was getting similar economy to my RS4) and very breathless in the top end of the revs. Fantastic sound but, when compared to the two mkv GTis that I've owned, just not as chuckable or fun. Whereas the 8P S3 is nearly there, far more agile, but just a little dead in the driving feel. I think/hope the VW will finally get it right with the upcoming R.
This isn't a direct slating of the mkv R32, but having owned both variants of the .:R and all the mkv GTis, I have found the GTi by far the more fun and envolving drive.
This is of course my personal opinon.........
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Any weather, any road, my edition 30 will anhialate a mkv/ mkiv R32. They are a nice cruiser, but I just found mine too heavy - especially in the nose, too thirsty( I was getting similar economy to my RS4) and very breathless in the top end of the revs. Fantastic sound but, when compared to the two mkv GTis that I've owned, just not as chuckable or fun. Whereas the 8P S3 is nearly there, far more agile, but just a little dead in the driving feel. I think/hope the VW will finally get it right with the upcoming R.
This isn't a direct slating of the mkv R32, but having owned both variants of the .:R and all the mkv GTis, I have found the GTi by far the more fun and envolving drive.
This is of course my personal opinon.........
But not Jules R32, just any other... :signLOL:
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Ha ha, does feel like that doesn't it!!
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Here is my choice,
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1268013.htm
or
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/200936341078441/sort/priceasc/search-target/usedcars/make/volkswagen/model/golf/price-from/16000/price-to/20000/page/4/postcode/ab423dz/keywords/edition%2030?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fresults%2Fusedcars%2Fpostcode%2Fab423dz%2Fmake%2Fvolkswagen%2Fmodel%2Fgolf%2Fkeywords%2Fedition%252030%2Fprice-from%2F16000%2Fprice-to%2F20000%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc%2Fpage%2F4&anchor=advert200936341078441&logcode=p
Oh decisions decisions ! :grin:
..........any news ?.
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Any weather, any road, my edition 30 will anhialate a mkv/ mkiv R32. They are a nice cruiser, but I just found mine too heavy - especially in the nose, too thirsty( I was getting similar economy to my RS4) and very breathless in the top end of the revs. Fantastic sound but, when compared to the two mkv GTis that I've owned, just not as chuckable or fun. Whereas the 8P S3 is nearly there, far more agile, but just a little dead in the driving feel. I think/hope the VW will finally get it right with the upcoming R.
This isn't a direct slating of the mkv R32, but having owned both variants of the .:R and all the mkv GTis, I have found the GTi by far the more fun and envolving drive.
This is of course my personal opinon.........
But not Jules R32, just any other... :signLOL:
Its better than the S3 apparently :signLOL:
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Well news so far is that as i said earlier that someone was coming up from penrith to see the s3 yesterday, he liked and so got first chance at it. Apparently he was trying to sort out some kind of loan today, he has until 5pm today then I get my chance !! :jumping:
One way or another i will know by 5pm today.
If i dont get the s3, I will turn my attentions back to an edition 30 ( not that one with the dodgy lights :surprised:)
Kev.
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Nice one Kev.
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One way or another i will know by 5pm today.
It's nearly judgement time :evilgrin:
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Right, it's 1700 - what's the decision? :laugh:
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Hes late.................. sack him :laugh:
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Waiting for my email / call :popcornsoda:
Patience my friends, patience :grin:
Kev
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Well news so far is that as i said earlier that someone was coming up from penrith to see the s3 yesterday, he liked and so got first chance at it. Apparently he was trying to sort out some kind of loan today, he has until 5pm today then I get my chance !! :jumping:
One way or another i will know by 5pm today.
If i dont get the s3, I will turn my attentions back to an edition 30 ( not that one with the dodgy lights :surprised:)
Kev.
So have you decided on THAT S3, and if that doesn't come off, you're back onto an ED30? Is it me or is that a bit strange? You either want an S3 or you don't surely?
Am am I right thinking that you still haven't driven an S3?
Sorry if Im prying too much, but thats how it reads to me, and just seems a little odd?
Enjoy what ever you get :happy2:
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THAT S3 has the modifications i would be doing anyway, ie nearly 1000 pounds worth and the car is a very good price 08 plate with its low mileage regardless when you compare it with others.
If i eventually get my hands on it for 21000, i think it will be a good deal.
Kev :evilgrin:
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I have owned both and they both excel in different areas so you will not be dissappointed with either! That S3 looks lovely and is very well priced, that would be my first choice but then again I am a little biased :evilgrin:
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If you get it for 21 large I think you'll have an excellent deal, never mind good deal.
The above comments about choice are probably reasonable, I'm guessing that if you don't by this S3 then it's back to the big question time and seeing what you can find to buy.
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whats happening? this is better than emerdale
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Hi Kev,
The guy from Penrith has placed a deposit on the car. So subject to payment it's sold. Managed to get the 21500.
I hope you manage to find another S3 soon mate. It's rubbish being without a motor!
All the best
Simon
Ouch :sad1:
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THAT S3 has the modifications i would be doing anyway, ie nearly 1000 pounds worth and the car is a very good price 08 plate with its low mileage regardless when you compare it with others.
If i eventually get my hands on it for 21000, i think it will be a good deal.
Kev :evilgrin:
No missed my point! I understand that car has all the mods and does look a good deal, but you have stated if you don't get that one then its back onto an ED30? Surely you've set your mind on an S3 now, or are you easy either way??
Just curious.....
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Sorry to hear about that mate, im sure another one will come up soon :happy2: :wink:
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Oli,
To be fair an edition 30 is what i set out to buy then this S3 appeared at a price not that much higher than the golf.
I would imagine I will now try and find an ed30 again, the prices just seem a little too high for me at the moment.
Kev
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that s3 was nice but did nt have mush audi spec , imo that s what puts the price up :happy2:
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Oli,
To be fair an edition 30 is what i set out to buy then this S3 appeared at a price not that much higher than the golf.
I would imagine I will now try and find an ed30 again, the prices just seem a little too high for me at the moment.
Kev
Cheer , understand now.
Enjoy the car hunt, neither will disappoint, although running into the winter season now, the haldex 4wd will have a certain appeal......
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That's a real pity mate - He who hesitates ........ :driver:
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Oli,
To be fair an edition 30 is what i set out to buy then this S3 appeared at a price not that much higher than the golf.
I would imagine I will now try and find an ed30 again, the prices just seem a little too high for me at the moment.
Kev
Thought about a Cupra at all?
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Any updates :party:
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Seat Leon i am not a great fan of I have to say.
Right now I am desperately looking for a nice spec'd edition 30, hopefully a forum car that has been well looked after with sensible mods :smiley:
Nothing much doing just now, just constantly checking PH and Autotrader, its getting sad :grin:
Kev
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You can still get a brand new ED 30 here :happy2: :-
http://www.motorprovider.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=New_VW_GOLF_EDITON_30_AUTO_1
It will be a Euro import but may be worth checking out. I bought my first GTi from them, and had no problems with warranty or servicing etc. The 2 year VW warranty starts from the date of the PDI, so worth asking them what this is if you're interested.
P.S. I note the cheaper ED 30's with no options have now sold out, so expect these better specced ones to sell out soon too !