MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: edition30jmr on March 27, 2014, 05:21:18 pm
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Hi guys I've been looking at the evoms and itg for my eddy, just not sure which would be best!
Itg claim you can gain upto 9% power at the wheels which would be an additional 20.7 bhp
Than evoms say 10-15 bhp increase.
So itg: 250.7bhp possibly?
Evoms: 240-245bhp possibly?
Just wondered what people favour I don't like the idea of the foam heat shield box thing with the itg whereas the evoms is properly enclosed!?
Which sounds best too etc? Hard to tell off videos really!
Sorry I know this has been asked a million times before just don't want to go out and get the wrong thing possibly!?
Thanks
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I know it won't make these gains without a map and proper hardware to match it etc but I'm just working on figures....... Thanks again!
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Why isn't the new revo intake on your list??
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My vote goes for the REVO one, after having the 2 you mentioned I prefer my new REVO one, sound wise. Performance wise they're all much a muchness....
Mine, Page 1....
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In my opinion you’ll find people recommend what they have… I opted for an EVOMS as I read good things about them and couldn't personally justify the cost of the Revo, despite the fact it may have given a slightly better increase in performance.
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REVO ceramic one.
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EVOMS, ITG for noise or power
VWR - Darth vader sound and power
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Really can't decide if love the revo one but the price!!!!! :surprised:
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Evoms is 285. Not sure why anyone would pay silly money for the Revo one.
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I agree I would be getting an Evoms.
Warpsh
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I've found a Revo one for £350! I like the idea of one piece of tubing and being ceramic inside sounds good, is it worth and can you add a heat shield to the revo one too? :drool:
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Once I've brought a heat shield and payed for postage on an evoms it is only £28 less than the revo one!
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You can easily add an exhaust heat shield if you so desire.
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Revo is 420... Evoms is just over 300 with heatshield
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Revo is 420... Evoms is just over 300 with heatshield
Found some for £350 new posted!
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Revo is 420... Evoms is just over 300 with heatshield
Found some for £350 new posted!
^^^^ Is that the Ceramic coated one as there are 2, one cheaper one without the coating and one a wee bit more with the ceramic coating. My ceramic one was £400 and that was cheap ish.
Tis a good point the chaps mention about the cost of the REVO CAI. if cost is a consideration then definetly go for the EVOMS one, great piece of kit and proven to work over many a treat over many years on the TFSI and with noticable gains.
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Revo is 420... Evoms is just over 300 with heatshield
Found some for £350 new posted!
^^^^ Is that the Ceramic coated one as there are 2, one cheaper one without the coating and one a wee bit more with the ceramic coating. My ceramic one was £400 and that was cheap ish.
Tis a good point the chaps mention about the cost of the REVO CAI. if cost is a consideration then definetly go for the EVOMS one, great piece of kit and proven to work over many a treat over many years on the TFSI and with noticable gains.
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Yeah it's the ceramic one!!! :drool: :grin:
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Just asked them they've got it advertised as the ceramic one but it's not :( damn haha!
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i made my own, less than £100 with the correct scaled maf tube,
id like to see if these are rr gains or maf based g/s readings
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Into lazy for that :laugh: haha, I like the look of the revo because it's smooth not many fixings and clips etc and love the idea of a ceramic inner tube with the option of fitting an additional heatshield!
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Fitted my itg weekend. Noise = wow everytime you let off it dumps. When you floor it you here the turbo lots and also lots off whooshing. I think I have lost some low down Torque but gained more mid range onwards. Remap and TBE needed now
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Revo one at UD on the PSI stand… just shows how much there making if they can afford to knock that much off, I was tempted to buy one to sell on!
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I've use both the Evoms and Revo ceramic (currently fitted) intakes and tbh they both do a good job.
I'm attending a rolling road day tomorrow at the same place where I had the car on with the Evoms fitted so I'll tell you if there's any gains/losses with the current Revo intake.
The Revo one is deffo louder tho and it looks better. Price wise I found mine 2nd hand for the bargain price of £260. Once I sold my Evoms for £200 the Revo stood me at £60 :D
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I've use both the Evoms and Revo ceramic (currently fitted) intakes and tbh they both do a good job.
I'm attending a rolling road day tomorrow at the same place where I had the car on with the Evoms fitted so I'll tell you if there's any gains/losses with the current Revo intake.
The Revo one is deffo louder tho and it looks better. Price wise I found mine 2nd hand for the bargain price of £260. Once I sold my Evoms for £200 the Revo stood me at £60 :D
Yes that would be great please let me know the gains/ differences etc!
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Glad you created this thread.
I am looking at possibly going stage 2+. Is the OE box with a decent panel filter any good or will it seriously compromise power on stage2 +.
As I am getting on in years I don't want my car popping and farting and whooshing down the road attracting attention....are the any quiter alternatives that give excellent gains.
I was told the VWR intake is a very civilised intake that's not too noisy....is that correct??
What about the APR Carbonni intake.....waste of money??
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Before my map I rr a tad more than 250 bhp standard map with ed30 with evoms and fuel pump don't see the pump making any difference as it would be making requested??
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pump wont make any difference unless its mapped for it.
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Glad you created this thread.
I am looking at possibly going stage 2+. Is the OE box with a decent panel filter any good or will it seriously compromise power on stage2 +.
As I am getting on in years I don't want my car popping and farting and whooshing down the road attracting attention....are the any quiter alternatives that give excellent gains.
I was told the VWR intake is a very civilised intake that's not too noisy....is that correct??
What about the APR Carbonni intake.....waste of money??
Thanks, I've got a carbonio at the minute if your interested in buying it? Doesn't add any noise just looks great under the bonnet!
Thanks
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Are these just air filters?
Or is there more than a bent pipe and sock over the end?
Cos 250-420 for a air filter is crazy IMHO
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I've use both the Evoms and Revo ceramic (currently fitted) intakes and tbh they both do a good job.
I'm attending a rolling road day tomorrow at the same place where I had the car on with the Evoms fitted so I'll tell you if there's any gains/losses with the current Revo intake.
The Revo one is deffo louder tho and it looks better. Price wise I found mine 2nd hand for the bargain price of £260. Once I sold my Evoms for £200 the Revo stood me at £60 :D
Surely there could be be other contributing factors, if power is made or lost over your old one?
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The only problem I see with these is the oem maf pipe is oval and the maf is perfectly centred. The aftermarket intakes all use round pipes.
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So does the Carbonni give any gains on stage 2+?? Is it for looks only?
Or should I opt for a VWR item.......any oppinions on noise for these?
I want good gains to compliment stage 2+ but without it being an unsociable car for everyday usage.
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^^^^ Carbonio is a useless piece of C/F bling, forget that as it serves no purpose.
The VWR (same as APR and newer ITG ones, rebranded IIRC) are the closed cannister ones, some say they are a little quieter, never tried a cannister one myself. Open filter would allow more air in, its all about the flow. My stage 2+ Eddy is more than happy with the REVO one, either that or the EVOMS IMHO.
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^^^ agreed I've got a carbonio and it does nothing but look a bit snazzy!
Haha!
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Carbonio + freeflow filter added about 7hp to a stage 1 Leon Cupra. So maybe it gives about 5hp to k03 GTI. On the bonus side however, since it uses the factory MAF pipe, driveability is unaffected.
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nuespeed polo that is 'apparently' as loud as as an evom.
Drive by sound:
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Ordered a Revo ceramic intake should be with me tomorrow, any ideas how to tell the difference between the powder coated and ceramic model?
Thanks!
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Fitted the revo and WHOOOOSSHHHHH DISHHHHHHHH!
Haha sounds like it's trying to suck up the wildlife from the bushes as I go past! I'm a bit dissapointed as I've lost low end torque, once I get a stage 1 or stage 2 map with a milltek TBE will that low down torque be restored or be better than standard?
Thanks :driver:
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You'll always lose some low end torque with a cai...
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You'll always lose some low end torque with a cai...
Will I gain this low end torque back once mapped?
Thanks
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I wouldn't dwell on it,once the map is on it'll be fine,providing its a decent trusted one that is.
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Glad you created this thread.
I am looking at possibly going stage 2+. Is the OE box with a decent panel filter any good or will it seriously compromise power on stage2 +.
Having had stage 2+ with an intake then back to oe with k&n panel and then paper. I can say the car felt best with the oe plus paper filter. I lost low end torque with the intake and the k&n gave me boost fluctuations. I wanted a fast road car so the oe plus paper gave me the best results. On tests the best panel filter showed a 0.90% pressure drop than paper, so very little difference in flow.
The revo is a good intake but these are not cold air intakes in the truest sense as they are not sealed from the warm engine air. The revo has a pipercross filter on the end so is a good flowing and filtering air filter.
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Glad you created this thread.
I am looking at possibly going stage 2+. Is the OE box with a decent panel filter any good or will it seriously compromise power on stage2 +.
Having had stage 2+ with an intake then back to oe with k&n panel and then paper. I can say the car felt best with the oe plus paper filter. I lost low end torque with the intake and the k&n gave me boost fluctuations. I wanted a fast road car so the oe plus paper gave me the best results. On tests the best panel filter showed a 0.90% pressure drop than paper, so very little difference in flow.
The revo is a good intake but these are not cold air intakes in the truest sense as they are not sealed from the warm engine air. The revo has a pipercross filter on the end so is a good flowing and filtering air filter.
Interesting to read about the standard intake,I would have had it dyno'd before and after but fitting isn't a five minute job.
My Revo Induction is trying its best to be a cold air intake
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Is the revo intake supposed to rub on the heatshield? Mines rubbed the black coating off!
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Glad you created this thread.
I am looking at possibly going stage 2+. Is the OE box with a decent panel filter any good or will it seriously compromise power on stage2 +.
Having had stage 2+ with an intake then back to oe with k&n panel and then paper. I can say the car felt best with the oe plus paper filter. I lost low end torque with the intake and the k&n gave me boost fluctuations. I wanted a fast road car so the oe plus paper gave me the best results. On tests the best panel filter showed a 0.90% pressure drop than paper, so very little difference in flow.
The revo is a good intake but these are not cold air intakes in the truest sense as they are not sealed from the warm engine air. The revo has a pipercross filter on the end so is a good flowing and filtering air filter.
I agree with you that there are good points with the original filter.. I had ITG but went back to carbonio style intake (with pipercross panel) because of driveability issues (and noise..). I spend a lot of time rolling the maf section to different angles because I had rich running engine and lost boost at low revs. It did help and it was almost bearable in the end. Of course ITG produced more power at the top, but it didnt "feel" as good in daily driving conditions.
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Agreed ^^^^^^
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Is the revo intake supposed to rub on the heatshield? Mines rubbed the black coating off!
You'll need to bend the bottom part of the shield out of the way a wee bit then all's good. It shouldn't be rubbing around the hole or anywhere else though.
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Is the revo intake supposed to rub on the heatshield? Mines rubbed the black coating off!
You'll need to bend the bottom part of the shield out of the way a wee bit then all's good. It shouldn't be rubbing around the hole or anywhere else though.
It's rubbing where the pipe goes through the hole! I've got some rubber pipe to put around the inner edge to stop the rubbing now!
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Fitted the revo and WHOOOOSSHHHHH DISHHHHHHHH!
Haha sounds like it's trying to suck up the wildlife from the bushes as I go past! I'm a bit dissapointed as I've lost low end torque, once I get a stage 1 or stage 2 map with a milltek TBE will that low down torque be restored or be better than standard?
Thanks :driver:
Hows it sound compared to the youtube links posted on page 3?
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Fitted the revo and WHOOOOSSHHHHH DISHHHHHHHH!
Haha sounds like it's trying to suck up the wildlife from the bushes as I go past! I'm a bit dissapointed as I've lost low end torque, once I get a stage 1 or stage 2 map with a milltek TBE will that low down torque be restored or be better than standard?
Thanks :driver:
Hows it sound compared to the youtube links posted on page 3?
Il try and get a video posted it sounds quite similar just more sucking I think
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Ended up swapping back to carbonio as 56OctyVRS said it caused tooooo many drive ability issues when the Revo one was fitted! The car kept cutting out when coming to a stop and revs where all over the place, harder starting, loss of low down torque and I felt throttle response was decreased too, not really sure how they can call them a CAI as the tube and filter and heatshield inside was always hot haha!!!!
Oh well we all learn from experience, maybe the intake will perform better at stage 2 or 2+ Who knows but until then I'm sticking to the carbonio and stock system!
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ITG Maxogen FTW! :happy2:
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Ended up swapping back to carbonio as 56OctyVRS said it caused tooooo many drive ability issues when the Revo one was fitted! The car kept cutting out when coming to a stop and revs where all over the place, harder starting, loss of low down torque and I felt throttle response was decreased too, not really sure how they can call them a CAI as the tube and filter and heatshield inside was always hot haha!!!!
Oh well we all learn from experience, maybe the intake will perform better at stage 2 or 2+ Who knows but until then I'm sticking to the carbonio and stock system!
I think you need appropriate mapping and associated hardware to get the full benefit from the Revo at least. Under these circumstances they work without issue at stage 2+.
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Yeah I think your right!