MK5 Golf GTI
General => Random Chat => Topic started by: Pikey Motorsports on April 01, 2014, 02:01:44 am
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Going to be completely honest, I have no sympathy at all for him.
Put aside any argument for the car emerging from the side road, the speed in that area is completely not unnecessary, and I suspect the car misjudged the lambos speed!
British car but left hand drive interestingly. Nice gf on right I see. Secretly the local residents probably were quite happy considering all the alleged issues they put up with re super cars. Be interesting whether a prosecution occurs for either drivers.
And I see there is a Ferrari behind? Which could suggest a but of a play!!
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Doesn't actually look as though he was going that fast but sounds like it's just a blip of the throttle before impact, but on a car like that and a busy London street it's going to be risky, thankfully it wasn't a cyclist or a pedestrian.
My main question is why was someone walking down the street filming a fiesta slowly emerging from a junction, just at the right time??????? :popcornsoda:
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The person filming it seems to follow supercars so was probably just got "lucky" filiming the crash.
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The person filming it seems to follow supercars so was probably just got "lucky" filiming the crash.
Yeah suppose they could be "Carparazzi" a'la 5th gear last night lol......
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Serves him right. If you speed past junctions you have to expect people to pull out on you.
He must not have been paying attention to the road either as the car emerging from the side road was doing so very slowly, plenty of time to brake from 30. Especially with 300mm wide tyres...
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looks like he did give it a blip just before but deserves it? i wouldnt say he deserved it im sure 90% of us havent been angels in the past after getting a new exhaust etc
it doesnt show the full story but he wasnt going that fast and i wouldnt say he deserved to smash a 300k+ car up! was more the other cars fault imo..
probaly isnt even his either
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the lambo actually took off
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Serves him right. If you speed past junctions you have to expect people to pull out on you.
He must not have been paying attention to the road either as the car emerging from the side road was doing so very slowly, plenty of time to brake from 30. Especially with 300mm wide tyres...
what an arse. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
the lambo seemed to be going like, 40-ish to me. so a bit faster, but we cannot tell for sure. it for all we know may be doing dead on 30mph.
there is NO excuse for people to pull out on you. especially speed!!!! this is the mazda's fault completely. the amount of times you hear someone pull out infront of you, only to say "you were going way too fast" - if i was going too fast you wouldn't have pulled out on me??!?!??!
you can't see behind the camera (to the right further down the road) who's to say there's not a van or another vehicle blocking the road causing restricted vision for the lambo a few seconds
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looks like he did give it a blip just before but deserves it? i wouldnt say he deserved it im sure 90% of us havent been angels in the past after getting a new exhaust etc
it doesnt show the full story but he wasnt going that fast and i wouldnt say he deserved to smash a 300k+ car up! was more the other cars fault imo..
probaly isnt even his either
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If you can afford a Lamborghini, you can afford to fix a Lamborghini :happy2:
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When I speed a accept that if someone pulls out on me it'll be my fault.
You can't expect somebody to spend their life driving on roads where people do 30mph and then suddenly have to adjust to a car doing 60mph in the same place.
Now you don't have 10seconds to pull out and get up to 30mph, you have 5 seconds to pull out and accelerate to 60mph.
Anybody who drives like that in a built up area is a moron. This time a few bits of metal were damaged, next time it could be a young child bounced down the street.
"there is NO excuse for people to pull out on you. especially speed!!!! this is the mazda's fault completely. the amount of times you hear someone pull out infront of you, only to say "you were going way too fast" - if i was going too fast you wouldn't have pulled out on me??!?!??!"
Speed is the only excuse for pulling out on somebody.
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Edited out tw@t.
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Serves him right. If you speed past junctions you have to expect people to pull out on you.
He must not have been paying attention to the road either as the car emerging from the side road was doing so very slowly, plenty of time to brake from 30. Especially with 300mm wide tyres...
what an arse. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
the lambo seemed to be going like, 40-ish to me.
So are you the Barry boy that thinks 40mph in a built up area is acceptable? The 'arse' that gives car enthusiasts a bad name by being too idiotic and narrow minded to understand the consequence of speed in the wrong place.
If you want to open your car up, do it on an A road, not past a selection of parked cars in the middle of London.
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shaw have you never done a little faster in a 30 your whole life? regardless of speed he was doing the other car pulled out on him.. and when people say the mazda missjudged his speed, the mazda obviously didnt look properly.. or look atall i doubt
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Serves him right. If you speed past junctions you have to expect people to pull out on you.
He must not have been paying attention to the road either as the car emerging from the side road was doing so very slowly, plenty of time to brake from 30. Especially with 300mm wide tyres...
what an arse. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
the lambo seemed to be going like, 40-ish to me.
So are you the Barry boy that thinks 40mph in a built up area is acceptable? The 'arse' that gives car enthusiasts a bad name by being too idiotic and narrow minded to understand the consequence of speed in the wrong place.
If you want to open your car up, do it on an A road, not past a selection of parked cars in the middle of London.
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calling me a barryboy? lol nob. the speed i drive :stupid: :stupid: :signLOL: :signLOL:
Did I say he speed was acceptable? read what i actually wrote.
I am estimating the speed, which we cannot tell for sure.
Irrespective of the speed of the Lambo, the Mazda should not have pulled out infront of the Lambo - Which would have happened likely regardless of the speed.
People pull out infront of other people because they have not LOOKED with their EYES, or they have looked but not actually paid attention to what they've seen.
A friend of mine was killed by someone pulling out infront of him on his motorcycle. He was not speeding, which was initially thought, after investigation from the authorities found him to be doing approximately 10mph under the speed limit.
So when you tell me "speed[ing] is the only reason for pulling out on people" you should really check your facts
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Serves him right. If you speed past junctions you have to expect people to pull out on you.
He must not have been paying attention to the road either as the car emerging from the side road was doing so very slowly, plenty of time to brake from 30. Especially with 300mm wide tyres...
what an arse. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
the lambo seemed to be going like, 40-ish to me.
So are you the Barry boy that thinks 40mph in a built up area is acceptable? The 'arse' that gives car enthusiasts a bad name by being too idiotic and narrow minded to understand the consequence of speed in the wrong place.
If you want to open your car up, do it on an A road, not past a selection of parked cars in the middle of London.
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calling me a barryboy? lol nob. the speed i drive :stupid: :stupid: :signLOL: :signLOL:
Did I say he speed was acceptable? read what i actually wrote.
I am estimating the speed, which we cannot tell for sure.
Irrespective of the speed of the Lambo, the Mazda should not have pulled out infront of the Lambo - Which would have happened likely regardless of the speed.
People pull out infront of other people because they have not LOOKED with their EYES, or they have looked but not actually paid attention to what they've seen.
A friend of mine was killed by someone pulling out infront of him on his motorcycle. He was not speeding, which was initially thought, after investigation from the authorities found him to be doing approximately 10mph under the speed limit.
So when you tell me "speed[ing] is the only reason for pulling out on people" you should really check your facts
You misunderstand and mis-quote me.
I said 'speed is the only excuse for pulling out on somebody'
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shaw have you never done a little faster in a 30 your whole life? regardless of speed he was doing the other car pulled out on him.. and when people say the mazda missjudged his speed, the mazda obviously didnt look properly.. or look atall i doubt
Yeah. I routinely speed where I feel it's safe to do so, in areas where I think the speed limit is a little tight. I accept that if somebody pulls out on me I will be at fault.
I don't speed in a built up 30 zone though.
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Serves him right. If you speed past junctions you have to expect people to pull out on you.
He must not have been paying attention to the road either as the car emerging from the side road was doing so very slowly, plenty of time to brake from 30. Especially with 300mm wide tyres...
what an arse. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
the lambo seemed to be going like, 40-ish to me.
So are you the Barry boy that thinks 40mph in a built up area is acceptable? The 'arse' that gives car enthusiasts a bad name by being too idiotic and narrow minded to understand the consequence of speed in the wrong place.
If you want to open your car up, do it on an A road, not past a selection of parked cars in the middle of London.
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calling me a barryboy? lol nob.
Irrespective of the speed of the Lambo, the Mazda should not have pulled out infront of the Lambo - Which would have happened likely regardless of the speed.
People pull out infront of other people because they have not LOOKED with their EYES, or they have looked but not actually paid attention to what they've seen.
Why don't you join a Corsa owners club?
People can LOOK with their EYES, but can misjudge the speed of a car if it's travelling unusually quickly. In order for you to judge the speed of something your brain has to take note of the object position at several points in time and then calculate its velocity. This is difficult to do unless you're practiced at estimating higher speeds.
It's easy to look and think 'yeah, he's 200 yards away I can go' but suddenly he's driving through the front of your car.
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take note of the objects position in several points? dunno about your eyes shaw but when i am pulling out of a junction with mine i can usually tell if a car is coming towards me to fast to pull out pritty easily especially down a small road like that
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take note of the objects position in several points? dunno about your eyes shaw but when i am pulling out of a junction with mine i can usually tell if a car is coming towards me to fast to pull out pritty easily especially down a small road like that
It's the science behind how the brain and eyes estimate the velocity of an object. It's not something you consciously do.
I'm sorry guys, I accept I'm wrong. The Mazda is at fault. Poor Lambo.
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take note of the objects position in several points? dunno about your eyes shaw but when i am pulling out of a junction with mine i can usually tell if a car is coming towards me to fast to pull out pritty easily especially down a small road like that
It's the science behind how the brain and eyes estimate the velocity of an object. It's not something you consciously do.
I'm sorry guys, I accept I'm wrong. The Mazda is at fault. Poor Lambo.
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good chap lol
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Why don't you join a Corsa owners club?
People can LOOK with their EYES, but can misjudge the speed of a car if it's travelling unusually quickly. In order for you to judge the speed of something your brain has to take note of the object position at several points in time and then calculate its velocity. This is difficult to do unless you're practiced at estimating higher speeds.
It's easy to look and think 'yeah, he's 200 yards away I can go' but suddenly he's driving through the front of your car.
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and yet somehow that's the fault of the person who gets pulled out infront of?
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Its true to say if the mazda didnt pull out the accident wouldnt have happened. Theres no denying that.
But the mazda insurance company will surely argue the speed point and probably have the settlement at 60/40 in favour of the lambo.
I dont agree with any of the driving in the video.. these super car drivers in london are normally morons... thats not to say they all are.. just a lot of idiotic driving I see with my own eyes when I'm there. I guess thats bound to happen when you inherit 40million with no education lol
But the mazda driver is just as bad if not worse for being unaware. Speeding or not, he should not have pulled out on the lambo.. and if the lambo was going too fast, its part of the mazda drivers job to carefully make a decision/judgement on the speed its approaching. Fail to do that... and well, look what happens!
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I am sure the highway code says that 'you should not pull out if you are going to cause a fellow motorist to have to brake' this is harder in london but still should be thought about every time we pull out of a junction.
Awful to see any car crash but especially a fellow VAG car ;)
On a positive everyone walked away.
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You'd think with those massive brakes he would be able to stop quicker lol? :driver:
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Hard to tell if he doesn't brake until after he hit the Mazda? If you watch it slowly you can't actually see them lit until after he clips the BMW.
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maybe he just thought mmm bet i can make that gap before the mazda gets on my side of the road :driver: :driver: then oops maybe not :rolleye: no matter will get dad to buy me another :signLOL:
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Made me chuckle!
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Actually the more I look at it they're both equally at fault, the Mazda for pulling out but is it me or does he look like he accelerates to try and make the gap infront of the Lambo at the same time as the Lambo then blips his throttle to maybe get infront of the Mazda? The Lambo driver is IMO driving like a tit, too fast and in a car like that a simple blip of the throttle see's you at 40-50 in a split second.
I have first hand experience of a similar accident, many moons ago I was testing out my new exhaust and was driving way, way too fast in a built up area, a railway truck edged out infront of me, then pulled all the way and I went under it. although in the eyes of the law he was at fault and I got away Scott free. I fully believe if I was driving at the right speed and not like a total tit a) He would have seen me and judged my speed/distance better and b) I would have had time to stop or at least brake before hitting him.
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When I took my driving test, I was told that if I pulled out in front of a car from a junction/roundabout and the other car had to slow down, it would go down a major on my test, even if the other car was speeding.
Obviously in a situation like this, the lambo driver will be "at fault" for using excessive speed on a street lol.
But I think those mazdas are vile, so the lambo did the world a favour by smashing the front in :signLOL:
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they are both at fault
mazda driver for pulling out
Lambo driver for driving faster than the road conditions allow, you don't get airbourne travelling below 30mph
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you don't get airbourne travelling below 30mph
:grin: hahaha
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you don't get airbourne travelling below 30mph
:grin: hahaha
You do if the the front end of your car drives over the front wheel of someones car.
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I reckon the lambo was doing 60mph or so. Stuff always looks slower on camera
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Amazingly someone just happened to be pointing his camera at nothing whilst filming when all of sudden a Supercar came past. :popcornsoda:
It is obvious he knew he was being filmed so accelerated as he went past. I am sure most of us would also get a bit excited and show off but not on a busy street with so many obstacles. Somebodies innocent child could have been easily caught up in that mess.
Hopefully he will get the book thrown at him and if he is a man he will accept it.
Don't do silly sh*t in silly places. :driver:
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Just seen this thread, just to kick it off again, I'm sure there's a EU requirement for airbags to deploy above 40mph isn't it? I might be wrong, but if I'm right, the lambos airbags haven't gone off so he can't have been going really fast.
None the less pretty spectacular how he got some air!
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Airbags only deploy if there's an accident where they'll be useful. In a head on collision the airbags will deploy. On a side swipe like this, airbags will not have any positive effect, in fact would probably have a negative effect as the driver would be blinded and shocked, and lose control as a result. The airbag sensors decide when to deploy airbags (and to what level on higher end cars) and clearly in this situation they were not needed on the Lambo as both occupants walked out.
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Yes the Lambo driver was going too fast but that didn't cause the accident, it was the fault of the Mazda for pulling out without properly looking. The Mazda driver 'assumed' a speed of another vehicle approaching (that's if he/she actually saw the Lambo in the first place). You cannot assume all approaching vehicles will be approaching at a 'certain' speed, it could have be an unmarked police car really shifting along or anything else.
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I've seen somewhere these tech type geeks have tried to calculate the speed and come back with a calculation of between 31-33mph.
I guess the lambo guy will be forwarding these scientific findings to his insurance :signLOL:
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So those big brakes managed to scrub off 30mph or so lol
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If you watch it with no sound it really doesn't look like he was going that fast. Regardless of speed it will be the mazdas fault. My friend pulled out a junction while a drunk guy with no insurance screamed up a street at 60+ mph into the side of him and it was deemed his fault for pulling out... not exactly sure how that one worked out. :laugh:
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As Graeme said, the Mazda driver will be 100% liable. Their insurance company wont even argue the case. They will want to settle the claim as soon as possible especially as the Lambo driver will no doubt want a courtesy car of equal measure whilst the Lambo is being repaired. The hire charges alone for that type of car could cost thousands if the Mazdas insurance company delay, not to mention the personal injury claim they could also potentially face The general rule within Insurance is that if somebody pulls out of a side road whilst you are travelling along the major road and have right of way then it will be the fault of the person emerging from that side road regardless of speed. Of course there will always be an exception to the rule, but this wont be one of them. :happy2:
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If you can afford a Lamborghini, you can afford to fix a Lamborghini :happy2:
If you can afford a GTI, you can afford to fix a GTI, then?
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It's the owner of the parked bimmer i feel sorry for - imagine getting back to your pride and joy and seeing it farked because of two nobbers :sad1:
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As Graeme said, the Mazda driver will be 100% liable. Their insurance company wont even argue the case. They will want to settle the claim as soon as possible especially as the Lambo driver will no doubt want a courtesy car of equal measure whilst the Lambo is being repaired. The hire charges alone for that type of car could cost thousands if the Mazdas insurance company delay, not to mention the personal injury claim they could also potentially face The general rule within Insurance is that if somebody pulls out of a side road whilst you are travelling along the major road and have right of way then it will be the fault of the person emerging from that side road regardless of speed. Of course there will always be an exception to the rule, but this wont be one of them. :happy2:
No one has right of way on the road. All drivers are required to give way when necessary. One particular sentence stands out...
"Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident."
The Mazda driver should give way at the junction, but once he's over the give way line then it becomes equal responsibility to give way to the other driver(s). The driver of the Lambo will win the claim here, not because he's in the right, but because his well paid lawyer will make sure he does.