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Title: think my pcv has gone!
Post by: BMX on October 12, 2009, 04:00:28 pm: wasnt happy with the catch can as the car seemed to be slower with it fitted so i have returned it to stock, the power was then good and bad surging, but now the power seems down and its seriosly blowing oil out of the cap! got it booked in at vw in the morning
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Post by: joesgti on October 12, 2009, 04:22:18 pm: :scared:
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Post by: MAT ED30 on October 12, 2009, 04:25:50 pm: I thought you are down at vwr tomorrow with me? What and how has this happened just by fitting a can
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Post by: BMX on October 12, 2009, 04:34:24 pm: i know im well p###ed off, i think its been getting worse and now its undrivable! i have just cleaned the rocker cover and all the pipes etc and went down to the bottom of the road and back and the rocker cover and underside of the engine cover is covered its spraying out of the cap, its everywhere :sad1:

gonna have to cancel vwr, dont know if i dare drive it to the dealers.
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Post by: Greeners on October 12, 2009, 04:40:29 pm: Surely VW will charge you a fortune to look at this as it's not an OEM part? Who fitted it for you?
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Post by: MAT ED30 on October 12, 2009, 04:42:38 pm: Sh1t mate that's not good :surprised: have u taken the can off and put it to stock?
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Post by: BMX on October 12, 2009, 04:49:41 pm: yeh the can is off and its back to stock. it still the same even stock and with the remap turned off just tried everything i can think of today. somethings gone thats for sure :confused:
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Post by: MAT ED30 on October 12, 2009, 04:54:51 pm: Is the oil coming from the cover plate that the can replaces? Maybe a seal is not pushed back correctly
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Post by: BMX on October 12, 2009, 05:05:11 pm: thats what i thought originaly too mate, so i checked all the gasket and the o rings, but iam 90% sure its coming from the cap, could fitting the catch can have made it worse?
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Post by: MAT ED30 on October 12, 2009, 05:10:56 pm: The oil filter cap :surprised: do u want me to come have a look?
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Post by: RobsCupra on October 12, 2009, 05:11:26 pm: :scared: I'm watching this thread with fear now as I've just fitted my can........
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Post by: BMX on October 12, 2009, 05:27:48 pm: Quote from: MAT ED30 on October 12, 2009, 05:10:56 pm
The oil filter cap :surprised: do u want me to come have a look?

thanks mate but its going to the dealers tommorow morning. there coming to pick it up, they had it on saturday morning to look at some bits for warrantee and apparently the mechanic said he noticed some oil. need to clean it off my brick drive now FFS

could this be at fault?
http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-Golf_V--2.0T/Engine/Emission/ES7511/ (http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-Golf_V--2.0T/Engine/Emission/ES7511/)
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Post by: Blade on October 12, 2009, 06:47:47 pm: How long did you run it with the catch can on?. Was the tap at the bottom closed or left open?. Needs to be wound all the way down to be in the closed position.
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Post by: BMX on October 12, 2009, 06:49:34 pm: i ran it for a week, why would leaving the drain off open cause my problem?
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Post by: Blade on October 12, 2009, 06:58:11 pm: Quote from: BMX on October 12, 2009, 06:49:34 pm
i ran it for a week, why would leaving the drain off open cause my problem?

I don,t know enough about the closed recirculation system to answer that but if thats whats happenned it could have set off a chain of engine errors leading to your symptons. I,m sure someone with more technical knowledge could shed some light on it.
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Post by: BMX on October 12, 2009, 07:03:52 pm: something to do with the crankcase check valve maybe? to be honest i did run it open for a day until i realised, but after that everything was ok. it was a week after and when i removed it the problem started??
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Post by: bacillus on October 12, 2009, 07:34:14 pm: Quote from: BMX on October 12, 2009, 06:49:34 pm
i ran it for a week, why would leaving the drain off open cause my problem?

It shouldn't as you would effectively just be running a "vent to atmosphere" set up but will a slight loss of boost.
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Post by: john_o on October 12, 2009, 07:46:49 pm: I would suggest somethings gone wrong with your install, then when you tried to revert to normal its persisted.
oil out of the cap is a symptom not the cause. somethings the wrong way round pressurising your crankcase.
Im sure the dealer will sort it out. no worries

of note be careful you dont run out of oil in the meantime!
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Post by: BMX on October 12, 2009, 08:11:24 pm: ok cheers for the advice, the oil is ok just checked.
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Post by: Greeners on October 12, 2009, 08:19:20 pm: Quote from: bacillus on October 12, 2009, 07:34:14 pm
Quote from: BMX on October 12, 2009, 06:49:34 pm
i ran it for a week, why would leaving the drain off open cause my problem?

It shouldn't as you would effectively just be running a "vent to atmosphere" set up but will a slight loss of boost.

I drove all the way to Germany with the tap open and ran fine with no loss of Boost whatsoever! :innocent:
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Post by: john_o on October 12, 2009, 08:20:58 pm: Quote from: Greenouse on October 12, 2009, 08:19:20 pm
I drove all the way to Germany with the tap open and ran fine with no loss of Boost whatsoever! :innocent:

thats cos its never 'in boost' :surprised:
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Post by: Greeners on October 12, 2009, 08:21:48 pm: Quote from: john_o on October 12, 2009, 08:20:58 pm
Quote from: Greenouse on October 12, 2009, 08:19:20 pm
I drove all the way to Germany with the tap open and ran fine with no loss of Boost whatsoever! :innocent:

thats cos its never 'in boost' :surprised:

:confused:
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Post by: cuprak1 on October 12, 2009, 08:55:49 pm: hmm, i would suggest posting on vwvortex in the tfsi section, over there in america they are all running the catch can and im sure one of them will know for sure whats up!

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zeroforum?id=739
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Post by: Greeners on October 13, 2009, 01:30:48 pm: Any news as yet?

P.S. Air Filter was posted last Friday so you should get it any day! :happy2:
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Post by: BMX on October 13, 2009, 02:00:42 pm: no call from vw yet.... got the airfilter on saturday thanks alot for that mate :drinking:
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Post by: edition_30 on October 14, 2009, 08:57:42 am: any update on this mate?
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Post by: JPC on October 14, 2009, 09:25:41 am: Quote from: john_o on October 12, 2009, 08:20:58 pm
Quote from: Greenouse on October 12, 2009, 08:19:20 pm
I drove all the way to Germany with the tap open and ran fine with no loss of Boost whatsoever! :innocent:

that car was in boost all the way there and all the way back! ;)

thats cos its never 'in boost' :surprised:
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Post by: tony_danza on October 14, 2009, 09:55:02 am: Sounds like the valve is the wrong way around/stuck?? I'd have expected it to p*** oil down the inlet, rather than back up and blow out of the cap.

Crawl there ASAP.
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Post by: BMX on October 14, 2009, 05:35:02 pm: ok just thinking here, if i blew down the pipe from the inlet manifold to the rocker cover should there be some resistance or not because i did and there was no resistance it was as free as a bird
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Post by: Greeners on October 14, 2009, 06:46:38 pm: So what have VW said? If this as you say is an issue with the PCV fix we all have I for one would like to know. If not we need to clear this matter up. :happy2:
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Post by: BMX on October 15, 2009, 05:09:05 pm: vw just rang and said it was the fuel delivery unit and a few seals etc, it should be ready tommorow. what is one of those?
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Post by: Greeners on October 15, 2009, 05:58:11 pm: Ok so we can clarify it is nothing to do with the BCH Catch can then?
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Post by: xxx_mojo_xxx on October 15, 2009, 11:12:09 pm: Great thread... I (we) could do with some one distiling and summarising the issue and what was replaced.

Thanks...
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Post by: BMX on October 16, 2009, 07:13:40 am: will find out today :happy2:
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Post by: JPC on October 16, 2009, 08:36:38 am: Fuel delivery unit? As in fuel pump?
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Post by: cuprak1 on October 16, 2009, 09:06:40 am: cam follower maybe
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Post by: BMX on October 16, 2009, 02:21:24 pm: update so far, its not a fuel delivery unit... he got mixed up

they have replaced the cam chain and tensioners as they needed doing apparently, and the breather regulator on the rocker cover, and its still doing it, they have ordered a cranckcase breather but its on factory back order so could be upto a week.

sweet :sad1:
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Post by: cuprak1 on October 16, 2009, 03:13:01 pm: i still think the cam follower might need replacing
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Post by: Janner_Sy on October 16, 2009, 04:19:28 pm: a worn cam folower wouldnt spray oil or fuel everywhere though surely!
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Post by: JPC on October 16, 2009, 04:42:27 pm: I hope all this will be done under warranty?
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Post by: cuprak1 on October 16, 2009, 04:59:57 pm: Quote from: simonskerton on October 16, 2009, 04:19:28 pm
a worn cam folower wouldnt spray oil or fuel everywhere though surely!

true..

could be this?.,

http://oooo-a3.blogspot.com/2008/03/pcv-replacement-and-eurojet-valve.html
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Post by: BMX on October 16, 2009, 05:15:20 pm: Quote from: cuprak1 on October 16, 2009, 04:59:57 pm
Quote from: simonskerton on October 16, 2009, 04:19:28 pm
a worn cam folower wouldnt spray oil or fuel everywhere though surely!

true..

could be this?.,

http://oooo-a3.blogspot.com/2008/03/pcv-replacement-and-eurojet-valve.html

yep thats exactly what i recon, they have fitted the newer plastic rocker cover breather, and are waiting for the metal crankcase one to arrive, i have just bought the eurojet check valve to fit when i put the remap back on
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Post by: edition_30 on October 16, 2009, 09:09:35 pm: Did u have the Eurojet fix in the first place?
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Post by: ukdub on October 16, 2009, 11:37:12 pm: Quote from: BMX on October 16, 2009, 02:21:24 pm
update so far, its not a fuel delivery unit... he got mixed up

they have replaced the cam chain and tensioners as they needed doing apparently, and the breather regulator on the rocker cover, and its still doing it, they have ordered a cranckcase breather but its on factory back order so could be upto a week.

sweet :sad1:

These parts are starting to become a problem I think. Mine need doing.
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Post by: BMX on October 24, 2009, 05:12:45 pm: got the car back and they have fixed it by fitting the new turbo/crankase breather its the revised part :jumpmove:
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Post by: BMX on October 24, 2009, 05:16:45 pm: still not sure why the car bust this valve imediately after removing the catch can but it does seem strange to me. anyway just glad its all sorted out
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Post by: BMX on October 31, 2009, 06:43:01 pm: noticed today that theres still oil round the cap, so went for a spirited drive when i got back there is alot of oil around the cap again, not as bad as before but still alarming, i took the pcv valve in bits to check the diaphram and its ok but it doesnt look like a new one at all, very crusty oil etc they told me they had fitted a new one. should i take it back or just buy a new pcv and fit it myself? leaving the car etc is a pain
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Post by: xxx_mojo_xxx on October 31, 2009, 10:36:30 pm: Quote from: BMX on October 31, 2009, 06:43:01 pm
noticed today that theres still oil round the cap, so went for a spirited drive when i got back there is alot of oil around the cap again, not as bad as before but still alarming, i took the pcv valve in bits to check the diaphram and its ok but it doesnt look like a new one at all, very crusty oil etc they told me they had fitted a new one. should i take it back or just buy a new pcv and fit it myself? leaving the car etc is a pain

Got any photos of the PCV? Have you tried the BSH replacement.

http://www.bshspeedshop.com/store/product.php?productid=16937&cat=1119&page=1 (http://www.bshspeedshop.com/store/product.php?productid=16937&cat=1119&page=1)
Title: Re: think my pcv has gone!
Post by: BMX on November 01, 2009, 06:58:31 am: Quote from: xxx_mojo_xxx on October 31, 2009, 10:36:30 pm
Quote from: BMX on October 31, 2009, 06:43:01 pm
noticed today that theres still oil round the cap, so went for a spirited drive when i got back there is alot of oil around the cap again, not as bad as before but still alarming, i took the pcv valve in bits to check the diaphram and its ok but it doesnt look like a new one at all, very crusty oil etc they told me they had fitted a new one. should i take it back or just buy a new pcv and fit it myself? leaving the car etc is a pain

Got any photos of the PCV? Have you tried the BSH replacement.

http://www.bshspeedshop.com/store/product.php?productid=16937&cat=1119&page=1 (http://www.bshspeedshop.com/store/product.php?productid=16937&cat=1119&page=1)

lol yeh it all went pete tong when i removed that :confused: