MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: KRL on October 14, 2009, 09:10:37 am
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Hmmmmm!
Just read this on golfmkv from Phil at BSH:
On the later cans the right most valve cover plate fitting should go to the side of the can, the left most valve cover fitting should go to the top.
This is the opposite of what is stated in the instructions on BSH's website which use the older version of the catch can.
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2039370#post2039370
I will send Phil an email and get confirmation on this.
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:confused: :confused: :confused:
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Knew there was a reason why I have not even fitted mine yet - all still sealed up as delivered. Might consider selling mine (brand new) and look for something else.
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Knew there was a reason why I have not even fitted mine yet - all still sealed up as delivered. Might consider selling mine (brand new) and look for something else.
lol ditto.
Still on shelf in it's box.
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If I'm reading this right, this is not good!
I'm literally (tomorrow) about to pay for braided hoses to replace the ones that now aren't long enough if I am to correct the 'righthand-hose-to-top-of-can' as originally isntructed but fitted other way around which I'm now being told is correct.
All very confusing and reflects badly on BSH methinks, or have I got completely the wrong end of the stick?
[ :mad: Robin! Put down the stick and walk away!!]
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Brilliant, even more confusion over bsh products :confused:
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Think we need an answer from bsh guys.. could be the reason bmx on here had some oil issues
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Wasn't by choice that I missed the dealine but im glad now.
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keep us posted we need this clearing up. Its funny most peoples can seem to be collecting gunk just fine :smiley:
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As soon as Phil replies to my email I will post it up :happy2:
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:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
im sure the instructions are correct!
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keep us posted we need this clearing up. Its funny most peoples can seem to be collecting gunk just fine :smiley:
x 2 :confused:
Mine's been on for well over 5k Miles now and was fitted as per the instructions.
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If I'm reading this right, this is not good!
I'm literally (tomorrow) about to pay for braided hoses to replace the ones that now aren't long enough if I am to correct the 'righthand-hose-to-top-of-can' as originally isntructed but fitted other way around which I'm now being told is correct.
All very confusing and reflects badly on BSH methinks, or have I got completely the wrong end of the stick?
[ :mad: Robin! Put down the stick and walk away!!]
i think this just reflects badly on many keybaord warriors who just get a new mod to there car because everyone on the forum has got it :scared:
BSH are a great reputable company im sure they wouldnt intentionally mis guide any one..
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im with gazbuts3 and stevep on this one. mine has been fitted as per guidance instructions and recomendations on here and i have collected plenty of juice with no issues as of yet.
if anything i have collected much more than i had envisaged i would. and will probably empty mine at lease every two weeks i think.
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i noticed on mine when i took it off that the top elbow was half the internal diameter due to mayo build up, after a week i thought this wasnt good so decided to sell. maybe that was why, but i found the condensation was starting to emulsify in the pipe before it got to the can.
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i might pop mine off and have a look at that me thinks
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dont think i ll bother fitting mine just yet :scared: :scared: :scared:
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I don't understand why some people are having problems and others aren't. The sooner Mr BSH clears up any confusion the better for everyone.
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Mine was fitted by VWR and it was pointed out that where the pipes go into the head you can put your fingers in and make them touch so I don't see what difference it would make which way round the pipes were? :confused:
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As said by others, mine is working very well - storm in a tea cup springs to mind :confused:
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As said by others, mine is working very well - storm in a tea cup springs to mind :confused:
Mine was fitted by VWR and it was pointed out that where the pipes go into the head you can put your fingers in and make them touch so I don't see what difference it would make which way round the pipes were? :confused:
I agree.
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Mine was fitted by VWR and it was pointed out that where the pipes go into the head you can put your fingers in and make them touch so I don't see what difference it would make which way round the pipes were? :confused:
....Mine was fitted by VWR too. On 22nd September by Simon.
I think it's only because of specific instructions in the BSH pdf and seemingly contrary info recently reported that is causing some of us to ask questions.
The only person who can definitively give us the correct information is Phil @ BSH or someone directly on his behalf.
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Mine was fitted by VWR and it was pointed out that where the pipes go into the head you can put your fingers in and make them touch so I don't see what difference it would make which way round the pipes were? :confused:
Agreed. I don't think there is any need to panic with this. Still not received anything from Phil. I think he is based in Arizona so he should be working by now...
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afaik this reversal of hose routing is simply a preventative measure for when the can contents freezes in the harsh North American winters. The can should perform its job with either hose configuration.
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afaik this reversal of hose routing is simply a preventative measure for when the can contents freezes in the harsh North American winters. The can should perform its job with either hose configuration.
now you mention it Bacillus, I'm remember reading that before :smiley:
and it was considered not needed over here because we don't get cold enough :happy2:
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afaik this reversal of hose routing is simply a preventative measure for when the can contents freezes in the harsh North American winters. The can should perform its job with either hose configuration.
bacillus with his usual good knowledge :notworthy:
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Still waiting for Phil to reply. I sent him a follow up email this morning in an attempt to try and prompt him.
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Still waiting for Phil to reply. I sent him a follow up email this morning in an attempt to try and prompt him.
Good luck on trying to get a response from BSH.
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Whys dubtek not commented on this!?
he was active today at 11am.
also did that 3rd box ever turn up? :smiley:
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Yep third box turned up. I had mine last week.
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Mine too.. have you fitted yet mate?
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Any update on this guys as im fitting mine tomorrow & now not sure what way the hoses go
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Well annoyingly BSH are not replying to emails :fighting:
Has anybody asked Dubtek about this?
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Well annoyingly BSH are not replying to emails :fighting:
Has anybody asked Dubtek about this?
what i did when dealing with bsh is wait till they open which in UK is quite late
i called them at about 6pm gmt and spoke to a bloke called justin..
he sounded like a hollywood actor lol YANKS!
he was helpful
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Well annoyingly BSH are not replying to emails :fighting:
You are not alone as the guys in the US seem to be constantly getting the same non-response as you when they email queries.
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Mine was fitted by VWR and it was pointed out that where the pipes go into the head you can put your fingers in and make them touch so I don't see what difference it would make which way round the pipes were? :confused:
afaik this reversal of hose routing is simply a preventative measure for when the can contents freezes in the harsh North American winters. The can should perform its job with either hose configuration.
IMO these points got to show that one of the pipes is acting as a breather to allow the flow of liquid, which otherwise would not flow unless pressurised.
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Managed to get a reply from Phil at last:
Hi Kristian, on the new can its best to run the right fitting to the side port. There are no ramifications of running it the opposite way, it just works better the other way.
-Phill
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Well done, Kristian! :drinking:
I'm assuming that we've all got what Phil calls the 'new' can.
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I'm assuming that we've all got what Phil calls the 'new' can.
Yes we have :happy2:
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I'm assuming that we've all got what Phil calls the 'new' can.
Not all of us RR. :wink:
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^ I guess you did not get your catch can on the GB?
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^ I guess you did not get your catch can on the GB?
Correct.
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Well, I now conclude that my 'wrongly' routed hoses are now 'correctly' routed without anyone changing them.
However, in spite of the tap being very tight it still spews oily gunk. I'm changing my catch tank anyway to one which has a sight feature. I'm sorry, I wish I could say otherwise but to be honest I'm not greatly impressed by BSH - Just my personal opinion :smiley:
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Well, I now conclude that my 'wrongly' routed hoses are now 'correctly' routed without anyone changing them.
However, in spite of the tap being very tight it still spews oily gunk. I'm changing my catch tank anyway to one which has a sight feature. I'm sorry, I wish I could say otherwise but to be honest I'm not greatly impressed by BSH - Just my personal opinion :smiley:
Robin,
The tap at the bottom - Have you wound it all the way in up against the base of the can? If so it is wide open. The tap needs to be fully out to be shut, Bear in mind it is a left hand thread too.
All the way to the bottom is correct, ie fully out. I have had no probs with mine at all.
HTH
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Robin,
The tap at the bottom - Have you wound it all the way in up against the base of the can? If so it is wide open. The tap needs to be fully out to be shut, Bear in mind it is a left hand thread too.
All the way to the bottom is correct, ie fully out. I have had no probs with mine at all.
HTH
....Aaaaaah! Duh, Robin, duh!!
Thanks Quality Dave! That would explain it. Nothing I could see in the BSH instructions about that :sad1:
Cheers, buddy! :drinking:
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Just shoe-horned a Large Capacity C/C in my engine bay, tight squeeze. Virtually same position as my std one.
Pics to follow.................
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Am interested to know if there's any particular reason for increasing the tank capacity. Just less emptying frequency?
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Exactly that Robin, allied with the Dipstick. Aesthetically it looks slightly better too in my opinion, with both unions being side mounted. I can also mount it lower, due to having the drain valve side mounted (future plans in mind.................
There is nothing wrong at all with the std can.
I also wanted the chance to carry out monitoring the amount via the dipstick too. I will post pics tomorrow.
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If you have a new can does that mean you visited Dubtek today QD?
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Managed to get a reply from Phil at last:
Hi Kristian, on the new can its best to run the right fitting to the side port. There are no ramifications of running it the opposite way, it just works better the other way.
-Phill
So it appears the instructions on the BSH website are incorrect after all then? Just hope the hoses can be swapped around now they have both been cut to length as per original instructions.
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Managed to get a reply from Phil at last:
Hi Kristian, on the new can its best to run the right fitting to the side port. There are no ramifications of running it the opposite way, it just works better the other way.
-Phill
So it appears the instructions on the BSH website are incorrect after all then? Just hope the hoses can be swapped around now they have both been cut to length as per original instructions.
Right one goes to the top - left one goes to the side
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Thats how i originally fitted mine as i went by the instructions off the BSH website, however BSH now say this is incorrect. After looking at the pcv diagram in the link below it looks like the right hand port is where the gasses exit the head therefore it makes sense to me that the right hand hose should go to the side of the catch can so that any fluid will drop to the bottom and the filtered vapours rise and are re-circulated back through the top port of the can back to the cylinder head.
Here is a link to a diagram of how the pcv works http://www.vwgticlub.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=482 (http://www.vwgticlub.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=482)
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I thought this had been resolved and the original instructions were correct. Can,t see the need to change mine round as its working just fine - until Mr Dubtek comes on and says so that it.
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Blade please read through the thread, all answers are within.
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Blade please read through the thread, all answers are within.
Well what a total :booty: up that is. Will have to see if mine will swap over as i cut them quite tight.
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^ Agreed. The instructions on the website should be updated.
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Oh no, I am going to have to buy new hoses as the ones I have are now too short :sad1:
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Oh no, I am going to have to buy new hoses as the ones I have are now too short :sad1:
time to get yellow ones then :) i plan on having red for mine :) so maybe you can have my black ones if you dont want yellow?
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for everyones info here is the new can
Description:
When we began working with BSH customers often requested a larger volume version of the recirculating catch can. Although the Race PCV system has the volume they were looking for, the vent to atmosphere design was just not what everyone wanted for a street car. BSH obliged and over the last few months designed and tested their all new Stage 2+ PCV system for the 2.0T FSI and will be soon making this available for the TSI engine.
Design:
Utilizing the engineering and design that brought about the first ever catch can system for the FSI, BSH was easily able to accommodate this design request. For this new version of the recirculating catch can changes include an increase in the volume from 7 fluid ounces to 32 fluid ounces of actual capacity (from base to fittings). Also added are a JIC threaded dip stick for guaranteed leak free oil level inspection and a standard drain valve.
For those new to catch cans and understanding the system please follow along below:
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bshspeedshop.com%2Fimages%2Fccs2%2B1.jpg&hash=c22757a7fe9369afbf9455401da5a102c3a91360)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bshspeedshop.com%2Fimages%2Fccs2%2B3.jpg&hash=e23f6357d63884018b7c24c271d3d2ac4ce31e37)
looks like it has better nipples off the block off plate so the thing can be fitted flush with more confidence so the other end isnt threaded.
also has a dipstick...
comparison
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fbshdealerpics%2FStage_2_Plus_Catch_can%2FPCVS2001.jpg&hash=b4de4524b017275f1c99a670d61dbbd210f3b430)
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^^^ Thats the high capacity can. There was a new standard sized can as well which the majority of us bought on the GB.
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Is it just me who finds all this information in various BSH CatchCan threads to be somewhat contradictory and confusing?
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fb308%2FRedRobin_05%2FMyHeadHurts.jpg&hash=f3e12bc5dfc89c8bcae1754042c07ccadc013800)
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Lol, no Robin, not just you which is why mine isn't even on the car and I bought mine before the group buy! :signLOL:
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Noticed Forges is just shy of 300 quid on thier site....
http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/content.asp?inc=product&cat=190203&product=FMMK5CTC
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Noticed Forges is just shy of 300 quid on thier site....
http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/content.asp?inc=product&cat=190203&product=FMMK5CTC
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300 squid seems a humungous amount for a catch can system!
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yeah but it does include the relocation piece for the washer bottle neck :happy2:
(still pricey though :signLOL:)
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Wonder if it comes with up to date instructions :laugh:
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Managed to get a reply from Phil at last:
Hi Kristian, on the new can its best to run the right fitting to the side port. There are no ramifications of running it the opposite way, it just works better the other way.
-Phill
when he mentions right fitting to side port does he mean right sided port on the engine block to side port of can?