MK5 Golf GTI

All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: galaxie500 on May 09, 2014, 08:12:01 am

Title: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: galaxie500 on May 09, 2014, 08:12:01 am
Wondering if the TPM works on just the front wheels or all 4?
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: SI-R32 on May 09, 2014, 08:17:21 am
the basic system on the golf works on all 4 wheels using the ABS sensors calculating the rolling circumference of the wheels.
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on May 09, 2014, 08:25:00 am
The oem tpms isn't very good, the tyre has to be practically flat for it to alert me.

I'm having this fitted;

http://www.national.co.uk/tyre-pressure-monitoring.aspx (http://www.national.co.uk/tyre-pressure-monitoring.aspx)

I think I will be great for both daily use & really handy for trackday use

But I've found a seller on ebay that will do a decent price on an order of 2 or more.

Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: stealthwolf on May 09, 2014, 08:30:53 am
Did RR have a similar kit and ran into issues (largely to do with aftercare)?

EDIT: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8314.msg327445.html#msg327445
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on May 09, 2014, 08:35:22 am

I know Neil P has one in his Mk6 Gti

To be honest, already the 1st national shop where useless. When I asked if I could look at one to see how I'd mount it their response was; "dunno what your talking about, we do anything like that. Your thinking of halfords".  Useless gits, I showed them the website on my phone.

If I can buy spare wires valve sensors from the ebay seller, I'm not sure what other issues I could come across. Neil rates it and it looked good but I'll ask Robin  :happy2:
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: rich83 on May 09, 2014, 08:46:24 am
Just fit it yourself mike. Shouldn't be to hard once you've got someone too change the valves
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: RedRobin on May 09, 2014, 08:47:46 am

Did RR have a similar kit and ran into issues (largely to do with aftercare)?

EDIT: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8314.msg327445.html#msg327445

....Yes, when it works it works very well indeed but I gave up on mine because it's so tricky trying to establish which sensor needs replacing and tyre shops can't be arsed to help. The product's aftersales support sucks!! In fact I ought to update my review accordingly.

The OEM tyre pressure monitor is a joke. :(
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on May 09, 2014, 08:48:33 am
That's why I'm buying it from eBay, Rich. To fit myself  :happy2:

Saves £40+
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on May 09, 2014, 08:51:23 am

Did RR have a similar kit and ran into issues (largely to do with aftercare)?

EDIT: http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8314.msg327445.html#msg327445

....Yes, when it works it works very well indeed but I gave up on mine because it's so tricky trying to establish which sensor needs replacing and tyre shops can't be arsed to help. The product's aftersales support sucks!! In fact I ought to update my review accordingly.

The OEM tyre pressure monitor is a joke. :(

They claim 7yr battery life, that not the case Robin?  I read somewhere replacement sensors where around a fiver a corner.

Tyresure direct refused to help?  :sad1:
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: RedRobin on May 09, 2014, 08:51:43 am

I'm having this fitted;

http://www.national.co.uk/tyre-pressure-monitoring.aspx (http://www.national.co.uk/tyre-pressure-monitoring.aspx)


....That looks exactly the same that I have fitted.

The other downside is having to faff around with it when you change your tyres. I don't do DIY on my car (or home) - I'm no good at such things.
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: RedRobin on May 09, 2014, 08:55:31 am

They claim 7yr battery life, that not the case Robin?  I read somewhere replacement sensors where around a fiver a corner.

Tyresure direct refused to help?  :sad1:


....No 7yr guarantees when I bought mine and considerably more cost to replace a sensor! That's how it was but hopefully it may have changed.

Quite apart from trackday use it's very reassuring indeed to be able to monitor your tyre pressures every time you drive and interesting to see how tyre status changes.
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: Viking on May 09, 2014, 09:00:15 am
The OEM tyre pressure warning works fine on my car. Never had to run anywhere near flat to have a warning flag up. The only issue with the system is the wife (who drives the car most) simply looks at the light and ignores it. When I ask her why she was driving with a puncture when the warning light came on, she says something like "Oh is that what that light is. I thought it was only the oil light!"  :rolleye:
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: V2 FAN on May 09, 2014, 10:04:06 am
My OEM sensors work really well, so well it actually annoys me.

So far its gone of twice and the tyre was running a mere 2 psi under.

I was very impressed to say the least.
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on May 09, 2014, 10:29:20 am

Mine is terrible  :sick:
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: V2 FAN on May 09, 2014, 11:09:09 am

Mine is terrible  :sick:

Or is that an excuse for another gadget in the car  :signLOL:

Got to say that wireless systems does look good  :happy2:
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: galaxie500 on May 09, 2014, 12:40:08 pm
Had no idea there was a DIY wireless system. I may have to look into it...!
Does anybody remember many years ago when BMW ran its April Fool advertisement presenting an in-car tyre pressure monitoring system and we all laughed at such an impossibly silly idea?!  Not so silly now eh?
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: homesqueeze on May 09, 2014, 03:55:10 pm
Have to say my OEM monitor has worked well for me in the past. It has alerted me to slow punctures before the pressure has dropped too much. Obviously you have to reset it whenever you top up tyre pressures to keep it accurate though.
Seem to remember something in the handbook about about it needing to be replaced after 6 years though. I wonder if anyone has done this, I know I haven't!
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: Viking on May 09, 2014, 04:16:08 pm
Have to say my OEM monitor has worked well for me in the past. It has alerted me to slow punctures before the pressure has dropped too much. Obviously you have to reset it whenever you top up tyre pressures to keep it accurate though.
Seem to remember something in the handbook about about it needing to be replaced after 6 years though. I wonder if anyone has done this, I know I haven't!
Not sure how you can replace it, as it's essentially the ABS system monitoring wheel rotational speed and calculating against steering angle sensor and the other wheels. A deflating tyre rotates faster than an inflated tyre, so the system sees one wheel traveling faster than the others and reports a puncture.
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: homesqueeze on May 09, 2014, 08:02:44 pm
Have to say my OEM monitor has worked well for me in the past. It has alerted me to slow punctures before the pressure has dropped too much. Obviously you have to reset it whenever you top up tyre pressures to keep it accurate though.
Seem to remember something in the handbook about about it needing to be replaced after 6 years though. I wonder if anyone has done this, I know I haven't!
Not sure how you can replace it, as it's essentially the ABS system monitoring wheel rotational speed and calculating against steering angle sensor and the other wheels. A deflating tyre rotates faster than an inflated tyre, so the system sees one wheel traveling faster than the others and reports a puncture.

Yeah I know, I thought it was strange. I checked the manual though and in the service section it defo says it needs replacing after 6 years.
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: Viking on May 10, 2014, 12:31:03 am
Are you sure it isn't talking about the puncture repair bottle of snot? That needs replacing after a certain number of years.
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: homesqueeze on May 10, 2014, 03:35:16 pm
Are you sure it isn't talking about the puncture repair bottle of snot? That needs replacing after a certain number of years.

No it's not that stuff. Here's a piccy:

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2Fu408%2Fhomesqueeze%2F20140510_152819_zps54adfbf4.jpg&hash=c4a07bcc55471fe039bacc1d1de3f505f225f59b)
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: Viking on May 10, 2014, 03:38:19 pm
That reads like a different system. There are no tyre pressure sensors on mine, it's just a monitoring system rather than a pressure sensing system. Perhaps they have a 4 wheel valve pressure system on some higher spec cars?
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: homesqueeze on May 10, 2014, 03:45:12 pm
Yarp, maybe that's it then.
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: RedRobin on May 11, 2014, 11:58:35 am
Surely if your Golf has a button alongside the ESP row of buttons in front of the gearstick, then your car has tyre pressure sensors?

Volkswagen do revise their build specs every June/July. So not all GTI's have exactly the same detail spec.
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: Viking on May 11, 2014, 12:37:55 pm
Surely if your Golf has a button alongside the ESP row of buttons in front of the gearstick, then your car has tyre pressure sensors?



No they don't have pressure sensors. The system works on rotational speed of the wheels which is monitored by the ABS system.
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: DDM on May 11, 2014, 01:03:51 pm
i got it retro fitted my eddie on ours and it works spot on, had a puncture on the front drivers tyre and it picked it up when the pressure had dropped to 22psi.
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: Shaw on May 11, 2014, 03:48:08 pm
My pressure warning system is crazy picky. Will light up if a tyre drops 7-8psi. More so on the front wheels.


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Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: ILoveTuna on May 11, 2014, 05:21:41 pm
I spotted a tyre pressure option in vcds somewhere. Mine was unchecked?

I have the ABS system so I think this option must be if pressure sensors are fitted?
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: Viking on May 11, 2014, 06:44:59 pm
No, you need the button to reset the system, wiring to suit, and then coding via VCDS.
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: RedRobin on May 12, 2014, 11:04:43 am

No, you need the button to reset the system, wiring to suit, and then coding via VCDS.


....If the rest of the system is present isn't the coding activated by default from the VW factory?
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: Viking on May 12, 2014, 11:35:36 am

No, you need the button to reset the system, wiring to suit, and then coding via VCDS.


....If the rest of the system is present isn't the coding activated by default from the VW factory?

No, the system is all part of the ABS system, it's just monitored and interpreted differently by the Tyre Pressure Monitoring system and linked to the dash warning light. The coding won't be activated from the factory if the rest of the system isn't fitted, otherwise it'd flag up an error code when scanned.

Similar thing as cruise control. Everything is there on the car except for the cruise control stalk and wiring / coding.
Title: Re: Tyre Pressure Monitor
Post by: Tfsi_Mike on May 12, 2014, 08:25:17 pm
Niels

(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FMy_Leon_Cupra%2FMini_mods%2F898066C0-2BAB-4AB1-9E92-92640260B9BB_zpscnds3l3n.jpg&hash=606d9dee55e738506ccfa725dc704a9cceb87f26)

I'm ordering one this week.