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Title: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Pauli on October 19, 2009, 01:32:12 am
may be a repost but anywho for that havnt seen it

Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Jules86 on October 19, 2009, 08:14:24 am
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7831.0
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Oli on October 19, 2009, 09:02:16 am
Just re-lloking at that video, the Ed30 is a manual, I bet it would have been even closer if it was DSG......

Anyway not wanting to re-open a can of worms, Im off............
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Hurdy on October 19, 2009, 09:41:36 am
Just re-lloking at that video, the Ed30 is a manual, I bet it would have been even closer if it was DSG......

Anyway not wanting to re-open a can of worms, Im off............

A DSG ED30 would have swapped the positions :evilgrin:

*flame suit on*

 :wink:
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Greeners on October 19, 2009, 11:50:48 am
 :booty:
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: john_o on October 19, 2009, 01:31:20 pm
 :booty: :booty:
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Jules86 on October 19, 2009, 03:38:28 pm
You have to take these vids with a pinch of salt.

Im nearly 100% on getting a 335i as my next steed although i doubt it could really keep up with this once mapped

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Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: JPC on October 19, 2009, 03:43:50 pm
a mapped 335i is a RAPID car Julian!
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: RobsCupra on October 19, 2009, 03:44:26 pm
Edited as re-read post.......  :ashamed:

If that was a standard 335i he did a pretty good job against a supercar!
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Jules86 on October 19, 2009, 03:54:03 pm
No where near standard mate. Running close to 400bhp i believe (stage 3)
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Jules86 on October 19, 2009, 03:54:38 pm
a mapped 335i is a RAPID car Julian!

But Lamborghini rapid? I would literally stab a baby to own that car!
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: JPC on October 19, 2009, 03:57:33 pm
i know, it is a big ask. But an all out 335i against a standard lambo..who knows?
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Jules86 on October 19, 2009, 04:06:00 pm
i know, it is a big ask. But an all out 335i against a standard lambo..who knows?

Maybe

remapped Leon though - i doubt it  :signLOL:
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: JPC on October 19, 2009, 04:28:22 pm
that lambo got a piss poor start and still won.
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Poppa Dom on October 19, 2009, 05:03:40 pm
Whilst on topic about Beemer's you should also see what the 335d does mapped - some nice maps out there that give good power gains and huge amount of torque.  Specs:

335i 306bhp/400NM
335d 286bhp/580NM

remapped

335i 370bhp/500NM low 20's mpg
335d 350bhp/700NM low-mid 30's mpg

Was an interesting review from Bruntingthorpe http://www.bmwcarmagazine.com/pastissue.asp?issueID=12 (http://www.bmwcarmagazine.com/pastissue.asp?issueID=12)
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Jules86 on October 19, 2009, 05:05:17 pm
Problem is the 335i will have more BHP over more RPM's, the diesel will peak very early for about 500rpms and tail off like most deisels do, by the time you get going you need to change  :stupid:
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: jonnyc on October 19, 2009, 05:35:39 pm
Just re-lloking at that video, the Ed30 is a manual, I bet it would have been even closer if it was DSG......

Anyway not wanting to re-open a can of worms, Im off............

A DSG ED30 would have swapped the positions :evilgrin:

*flame suit on*

 :wink:

My good friend has a GT3 RS and I can confirm that yes..

I got SLAGGED off on ASN once for daring to say that the S3 kept up with my mates GT3 RS until I posted a video.. Then it was all.. 'The RS driver was half throttle' "He can't drive' etc etc etc..

The point is that the GT3 RS is a fast car yeah, but it can be beaten (in a straight line) by a 20k 3 door hatch with £1500 of mods lol..
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: john_o on October 19, 2009, 07:45:25 pm
Problem is the 335i will have more BHP over more RPM's, the diesel will peak very early for about 500rpms and tail off like most deisels do, by the time you get going you need to change  :stupid:

not really the case with modern diesels with twin turbos like the 335d.......
not petrol but way better than even a few yrs ago
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Oli on October 19, 2009, 09:15:16 pm
Problem is the 335i will have more BHP over more RPM's, the diesel will peak very early for about 500rpms and tail off like most deisels do, by the time you get going you need to change  :stupid:

not really the case with modern diesels with twin turbos like the 335d.......
not petrol but way better than even a few yrs ago

I've owned a mapped 335d, very fast, boring has fcuk and yes it does pull very hard all the way to 5000 rpm.
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: JPC on October 19, 2009, 09:58:55 pm
boring?
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Jules86 on October 19, 2009, 10:00:18 pm
boring?

I can imagine they are, good at straight line but numb and heavy? Why i would have to have petrol to keep some fun!
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: JPC on October 19, 2009, 10:10:17 pm
yep, those 40kgs make it all so numb and heavy. oh and boring.

id challenge any car nut to call a 335d boring.

dont get me wrong, i wouldnt call a 335i boring either.
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Hurdy on October 19, 2009, 11:16:56 pm
My mate has a brand spanking new 335d and a DMS remap. He hasn't had it on the rollers, but it is fairly fast once up and running. Off the line it is a little slow, but that torque push feels huuuuuge. Side by side from 40mph to XXX it isn't as fast as a silver ED30 :wink:

Don't expect any vids though :scared: :driver:
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Poppa Dom on October 19, 2009, 11:32:37 pm
My mate has a brand spanking new 335d and a DMS remap. He hasn't had it on the rollers, but it is fairly fast once up and running. Off the line it is a little slow, but that torque push feels huuuuuge. Side by side from 40mph to XXX it isn't as fast as a silver ED30 :wink:

Don't expect any vids though :scared: :driver:
Yes, DMS do a good map. I think we need to try and get an airfield booked for a day  :happy2:
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Hurdy on October 19, 2009, 11:38:17 pm
My mate has a brand spanking new 335d and a DMS remap. He hasn't had it on the rollers, but it is fairly fast once up and running. Off the line it is a little slow, but that torque push feels huuuuuge. Side by side from 40mph to XXX it isn't as fast as a silver ED30 :wink:

Don't expect any vids though :scared: :driver:
Yes, DMS do a good map. I think we need to try and get an airfield booked for a day  :happy2:
Sounds good to me :jumping:
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Poverty on October 20, 2009, 12:20:15 am
Guy I know of other forums has a 335d and were always bickering over cars lol but when I was at the pod with him his mapped 335d was doing 13's dead all day long on a slow day. His best is 12.6 iirc.
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: john_o on October 20, 2009, 07:48:57 am
 :notworthy: bit slow then  :signLOL:
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Jules86 on October 20, 2009, 10:15:48 am
yep, those 40kgs make it all so numb and heavy. oh and boring.

id challenge any car nut to call a 335d boring.

dont get me wrong, i wouldnt call a 335i boring either.

I dont mean the difference in weight, the power delivery in a diesel can be boring (depending on the map)

nothing nothin power power nothing nothing nothing
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: JPC on October 20, 2009, 10:25:34 am
have you driven the twin turbo diesels? there really great for that mate. honest, there not like what you expect from a traditional diesel.

i know you hate diesel, but i would at least recomend a drive in one
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Oli on October 20, 2009, 10:42:51 am
JPC have you actually spent a lot of time in the 335D, and I don't mean a couple of days, those that have will understand where I am coming from.

I owned mine for 8 months or so, did 10,000 miles in it, and when I first got it, it was the best thing since sliced bread.  Mine was running an Emaps map to 350BHP, eibach suspecion and standard non-RFT tyres, so was fully set up for involvement.

BUT, and it a big BUT, because it was so easy to get 100% of the performance out of it, that and the so called flappy paddle gearbox, which was nothing more than a standard slushbox with paddles, was just so uninvolving, after a while it just got boring.  It was as fast as my 'old' B7 RS4, however you had to work at getting the performance out of the RS, whereas in the 335D, it was simply just point and squirt.  A lot of the 'old' 335D drivers on e90post, have all moved on for this reason, just too easy to get all of the performance out of it.  I drive a car to be rewarded back by getting the best out of it, and the 335D was just so easy to get to that point, so I felt I had conquered it very early on in my ownership.

So yes I feel very justified in calling it boring and uninvolving. :happy2:
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: JPC on October 20, 2009, 10:48:58 am
JPC have you actually spent a lot of time in the 335D, and I don't mean a couple of days, those that have will understand where I am coming from.

I owned mine for 8 months or so, did 10,000 miles in it, and when I first got it, it was the best thing since sliced bread.  Mine was running an Emaps map to 350BHP, eibach suspecion and standard non-RFT tyres, so was fully set up for involvement.

BUT, and it a big BUT, because it was so easy to get 100% of the performance out of it, that and the so called flappy paddle gearbox, which was nothing more than a standard slushbox with paddles, was just so uninvolving, after a while it just got boring.  It was as fast as my 'old' B7 RS4, however you had to work at getting the performance out of the RS, whereas in the 335D, it was simply just point and squirt.  A lot of the 'old' 335D drivers on e90post, have all moved on for this reason, just too easy to get all of the performance out of it.  I drive a car to be rewarded back by getting the best out of it, and the 335D was just so easy to get to that point, so I felt I had conquered it very early on in my ownership.

So yes I feel very justified in calling it boring and uninvolving. :happy2:

My dad has had that engine for the last two years and ive driven it quite a lot, probably done about 3-4k in it.

Ive never felt that it got boring to be honest, its a great car.

for the same reasons you got rid of yours, you could apply to the same logic at why Jonny Sold his Ed30, or why Tom sold his Ed30 too.

Its a funny thing car ownership. The Grass is always greener.

"It was as fast as my 'old' B7 RS4, however you had to work at getting the performance out of the RS, whereas in the 335D, it was simply just point and squirt."

I know what your saying in the satifaction stakes, but we dont always want to work to get performance.

Your pretty much saying the 335d was boring because it had RS4 performance on tap, without waiting for 6k RPM to kick in?

im not saying your wrong at all mate, just we have difference ideas of ideals in cars.

I Would MUCH prefer the instant punch of torque in the 335d rather than the working for it in the RS4.

etto! lol
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Oli on October 20, 2009, 10:59:55 am
Agreed, funny things cars

And I DO want to work to get performace out, otherwise zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I tried coming over to the darkside with the 335D and it didn't work for me
Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: JPC on October 20, 2009, 11:02:23 am
fair enough mate! lol

at least you tried! haha!

Title: Re: GT3 RS VS ED30
Post by: Jules86 on October 20, 2009, 11:07:21 am
Agreed, funny things cars

And I DO want to work to get performace out, otherwise zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I tried coming over to the darkside with the 335D and it didn't work for me

I know what you mean mate, this is why i like N/A so much!
have you driven the twin turbo diesels? there really great for that mate. honest, there not like what you expect from a traditional diesel.

i know you hate diesel, but i would at least recomend a drive in one

Good point mate, shouldnt judge it so fast!