MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: cuprak1 on October 20, 2009, 12:08:03 pm
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as seen
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3759935&page=5
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i had this happen ages ago see the review
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=395.120
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a bit concerning :scared:
what did you use the car for? road or track?
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a bit concerning :scared:
what did you use the car for? road or track?
Driving it like he stole it :laugh: :laugh:
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Both mate as mine has done the ring a few times and other track days and whiteline said to me they are shocked but there might be 1 or 2 maybe that split :surprised: i will put pics up of my fooked ones today
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a bit concerning :scared:
what did you use the car for? road or track?
Driving it like he stole it :laugh: :laugh:
:ashamed: :evilgrin: :driver:
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^^^ I notice you don't deny the statement :grin: :grin:
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hmm wonder what would of happend in that case if you still had standard suspention?
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hmm wonder what would of happend in that case if you still had standard suspention?
He would have ended up in a ditch/hedge/arnco/someone's front garden *
* = delete as appropriate
:signLOL: :signLOL:
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He would have ended up in a hedge
:signLOL: :signLOL:
:confused: :surprised:
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hmm wonder what would of happend in that case if you still had standard suspention?
i just had springs on mine when the broke/split
He would have ended up in a hedge
:signLOL: :signLOL:
:confused: :surprised:
:laugh: :laugh:
^^^ I notice you don't deny the statement :grin: :grin:
y would i :P
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Erm - there is a serious lack of MDS grease - not only for the hex spigot on the end of the track control arm, but also on the inner pivot. I strongly suggest that a lack of grease on assembly had a massive factor in their failure.
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mine had lots of the grease in there :confused:
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whilst Im not overly concerned yet , I would like some feedback from Whiteline / Balancemotorsport on these failures....
what I can see is that on the LH arm (in pic), the inner bush is protruding a lot
so either theres been excessive force from the opposite direction , or the actual internal face has worn away
(as its a tapered meeting face between the inner and outer bush)
[amended : maybe not quite true as I've just rewatched the vid in my product review thread , it already protrudes but maybe not that much....]
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I was thinking of having this fitted along with upgraded springs - not so sure now :surprised: How many miles had the car done with the WALK?
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mine had lots of the grease in there :confused:
What - between the inner and outer yellow bits? You need to dis-assemble them from how they are supplied to get much more grease in them. I'm guessing that on yours, only the metal hex end of the TCA was greased. How many miles did yours do before they let go?
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I was thinking of having this fitted along with upgraded springs - not so sure now :surprised: How many miles had the car done with the WALK?
The WALK makes a noticeable, if subtle diference even when the rest of the suspension is completely standard. It improves self-centreing of the steering, straight-line directional stabilty, steering 'turn-in', steering mid-corner feel and stability - along with traction on turns. Go for it, but make sure there is loads of grease applied to BOTH parts of the bushings.
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I was thinking of having this fitted along with upgraded springs - not so sure now :surprised: How many miles had the car done with the WALK?
The WALK makes a noticeable, if subtle diference even when the rest of the suspension is completely standard. It improves self-centreing of the steering, straight-line directional stabilty, steering 'turn-in', steering mid-corner feel and stability - along with traction on turns. Go for it, but make sure there is loads of grease applied to BOTH parts of the bushings.
Ok, thanks :happy2: So the failure here is to do with fitment rather than the kit itself?
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I was thinking of having this fitted along with upgraded springs - not so sure now :surprised: How many miles had the car done with the WALK?
The WALK makes a noticeable, if subtle diference even when the rest of the suspension is completely standard. It improves self-centreing of the steering, straight-line directional stabilty, steering 'turn-in', steering mid-corner feel and stability - along with traction on turns. Go for it, but make sure there is loads of grease applied to BOTH parts of the bushings.
Ok, thanks :happy2: So the failure here is to do with fitment rather than the kit itself?
Well - sort of stretching a theory to extremes on the failure bit. Yes, the lack of grease will have a contributory factor to the failure - but there are probably also other issues too, such as severely lowered suspension (which the yanks seem to be keen on), other modified suspension components, being a track whore, etc.
As Tony Danza stated, Whiteline have a very good reputation, and I strongly bet that there are considerably more users of the WALK who have had ZERO probs with them, compared to two worldwide published failures! :wink:
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cleaned all the crud and grease off my old ones so u can see the split
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cleaned all the crud and grease off my old ones so u can see the split
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Hmmm . . . that doesn't actually look like a 'failure' - because the main 'body' of the bush is still perfect. Or have I missed sommat?
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I think I was one of the first to fit them, over 12 months ago - done 15k, 2 ring trips and 5 track days. I have the car checked after each event and they're still 100%.
They've been making these for Subarus for years, so it isn't exactly new technology.
I'd say:
Dodgy batch.. or most likely incorrect fitting, failure to align suspension properly after fitting or as TT said and IMO too, dry joints.
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the one on the left the end split and the one on the right split down the middle oh and this is the inner bush
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I think I was one of the first to fit them, over 12 months ago
Yeah, it was your rather excellent report on the 'dark side' which got me spreading their praises on the GTI forum. :happy2:
And anyone who knows me by know will understand that I'd only give the thumbs up to products which actually make a positive benefit for the average to enthisiastic road user - and these really do hit the sweet spot. :wink:
- done 15k, 2 ring trips and 5 track days. I have the car checked after each event and they're still 100%.
Has anything else worn out in that timescale and useage?
I'd say:
Dodgy batch.. or most likely incorrect fitting, failure to align suspension properly after fitting or as TT said and IMO too, dry joints.
Nice to know we agree on somat! :evilgrin:
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the one on the left the end split and the one on the right split down the middle
Ahhhhh - I see the split in the right one.
Maybe your next mod ought to be a . . . . . better camera! <ducks for cover> :evilgrin:
oh and this is the inner bush
Where? :chicken:
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its a 2 bush item ie one big outer bush and a smaller one inside and the pic was just a quick one and if u like i will take them to a better location and get the tripod out and use my better cam :P
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I think I was one of the first to fit them, over 12 months ago - done 15k, 2 ring trips and 5 track days. I have the car checked after each event and they're still 100%.
I'm also at > 15k miles on the WALKit and its fine , I havent done track days nor have danza's talent but I dont hang about either :driver:
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i did over 30k on mine
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I think I was one of the first to fit them, over 12 months ago
Yeah, it was your rather excellent report on the 'dark side' which got me spreading their praises on the GTI forum. :happy2:
And anyone who knows me by know will understand that I'd only give the thumbs up to products which actually make a positive benefit for the average to enthisiastic road user - and these really do hit the sweet spot. :wink:
- done 15k, 2 ring trips and 5 track days. I have the car checked after each event and they're still 100%.
Has anything else worn out in that timescale and useage?
I'd say:
Dodgy batch.. or most likely incorrect fitting, failure to align suspension properly after fitting or as TT said and IMO too, dry joints.
Nice to know we agree on somat! :evilgrin:
Surprisingly, nothing has failed or worn at an abnormal rate given what it has had to deal with. My old MKIV would have certainly been through a set of topmounts and wishbone bushes in the same circumstances.
Mat, did you ever grease the bushes in that 30k? I try doing it as often as I can with white lithium.
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How did you notice that they were failing?
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Just adding the info that mine are on a very lowered suspension but alignment etc was done afterwards and also front wishbone bushes upgraded. No problems so far.
[my suspension was raised a small fraction yesterday to cure arch rubbing from new offset wheels]