MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: stiggy on October 20, 2009, 12:09:55 pm
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Hi all,
I'm going to have the vwr springs fitted with WALK soon and was thinking of having the full exhaust done while i'm there. I've heard and read a lot about the blueflame exhaust but not much about the vwr one (which i believe is a milltek with slight differences and "R" branding). I'm looking for an exhaust which won't give me a headache at motorway speeds but enhance the sound at the same time. Does anyone have a full vwr exhaust fitted and if so, what are your views? Are their exhausts resonated or non-res? Any advice?
Thanks in advance.
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Are you looking at a Cat or Turbo back system?
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Are you looking at a Cat or Turbo back system?
Turbo back
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For turbo back I would say the blueflame is best on the motorway at crusing speeds but is the loudest when pushing on.
The VWR/Milltek will suffer from motorway drone unless you go for the res version which you may find too quiet when pushing on.
HTH :happy2:
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I have the blueflame on mine, as Steve says its quiet at normal motorway speeds, even my wife approves and she's a tough critic.
If your nr bristol, I'm happy to show you.
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For turbo back I would say the blueflame is best on the motorway at crusing speeds but is the loudest when pushing on.
*COUGH Eurojet COUGH*
:happy2:
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:evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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From my own perspective I have the non-res Milltek TB system and I do not get any 'boominess' at any speed! :confused: And this has been confirmed by fellow members of this forum! :happy2:
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Thanks for the replies and advice :happy2:
For turbo back I would say the blueflame is best on the motorway at crusing speeds but is the loudest when pushing on.
The VWR/Milltek will suffer from motorway drone unless you go for the res version which you may find too quiet when pushing on.
HTH :happy2:
This is what I have heard about the blueflame and i have heard the vwr exhaust does produce motorway drone. Have to say I was very close to booking the car in for the blueflame but thought I'd be patient and ask on here/drive vwr's demo car first. The tailpipes on the milltek/vwr are finished better imo, though that is not the priority for me.
I have the blueflame on mine, as Steve says its quiet at normal motorway speeds, even my wife approves and she's a tough critic.
If your nr bristol, I'm happy to show you.
Thanks for the offer mate - i may just do that if i'm close by :happy2:
For turbo back I would say the blueflame is best on the motorway at crusing speeds but is the loudest when pushing on.
*COUGH Eurojet COUGH*
:happy2:
I've also been looking at eurojet exhausts but info on the exhaust is scarce and couldn't find anyone who sells/fits it. How does it sound compared to the blueflame? Any drone? How much does it cost?
From my own perspective I have the non-res Milltek TB system and I do not get any 'boominess' at any speed! :confused: And this has been confirmed by fellow members of this forum! :happy2:
I have heard the vwr exhaust, although supplied by milltek, is slightly different to the standard milltek. I'm not sure exactly how, but it results in a more boomy sound (correct me if i'm wrong though). VWR are offering to fit the exhaust without effecting the warranty on the car, which is why I was strongly considering them.
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^^^ The VWR/Milltek has a slight smaller back box and different tailpipes. :happy2:
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^^^ The VWR/Milltek has a slight smaller back box and different tailpipes. :happy2:
Bring on the Boom! :jumpmove:
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For turbo back I would say the blueflame is best on the motorway at crusing speeds but is the loudest when pushing on.
*COUGH Eurojet COUGH*
:happy2:
I've also been looking at eurojet exhausts but info on the exhaust is scarce and couldn't find anyone who sells/fits it. How does it sound compared to the blueflame? Any drone? How much does it cost?
Speak to JBS, thats where I got mine from.
At 70ish there is no drone at all and its barley louder than stock (just a little deeper) but sounds awesome when pressing on. Quality is top notch too, much better than the equivilent milly and IMO better even than APR.
Cost wise, I paid £1k fitted in Jan this year, but exchange rates against the dollar will play a big part in this.
Where abouts in the world are you?
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anyone tried any of the others out there, apr, jetex, i noticed the eurojet one was very similar to the blueflame one in design, scorpion is similar too, they have got rid of the rear transverse box for better flow, but at a guess i recon they will be louder. iam still toying with the idea of a blueflame because of price mainly, but if they were all £800 i would go for the milltek res
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For turbo back I would say the blueflame is best on the motorway at crusing speeds but is the loudest when pushing on.
*COUGH Eurojet COUGH*
:happy2:
I've also been looking at eurojet exhausts but info on the exhaust is scarce and couldn't find anyone who sells/fits it. How does it sound compared to the blueflame? Any drone? How much does it cost?
Speak to JBS, thats where I got mine from.
At 70ish there is no drone at all and its barley louder than stock (just a little deeper) but sounds awesome when pressing on. Quality is top notch too, much better than the equivilent milly and IMO better even than APR.
Cost wise, I paid £1k fitted in Jan this year, but exchange rates against the dollar will play a big part in this.
Where abouts in the world are you?
Near the wonderful world of Cannock! Do you have any pics of the exhaust? Or sound clips?
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this is a subject of interest to me too as in the new year i wanna ram an r32 rear with centre pipes to my 05-
and wondered what the best way to go is?
matsu
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For turbo back I would say the blueflame is best on the motorway at crusing speeds but is the loudest when pushing on.
*COUGH Eurojet COUGH*
:happy2:
I've also been looking at eurojet exhausts but info on the exhaust is scarce and couldn't find anyone who sells/fits it. How does it sound compared to the blueflame? Any drone? How much does it cost?
Speak to JBS, thats where I got mine from.
At 70ish there is no drone at all and its barley louder than stock (just a little deeper) but sounds awesome when pressing on. Quality is top notch too, much better than the equivilent milly and IMO better even than APR.
Cost wise, I paid £1k fitted in Jan this year, but exchange rates against the dollar will play a big part in this.
Where abouts in the world are you?
Near the wonderful world of Cannock! Do you have any pics of the exhaust? Or sound clips?
Well if you fancy a ride out one day I live in wrexham so about an hour and a bit from cannock if you do the M54 and A5 route and I'll be more than happy to take you out for a day around our lovely roads!
No sound clips as they really don't ever sound anything like the real thing but here's a link to the freshly fitted pics.
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2335240&postcount=16
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Hi all,
Thought i'd give a small update. Planning to have the exhaust fitted sometime this month/early next month. I rang blueflame earlier this week - it seems they now supply to Awesome and for me to have a blueflame fitted, i'd have to speak to Awesome. I was originally set on going with blueflame because of the deal they had for forum members, but it seems as though they're at the original price now through Awesome (£1080). So, this has thrown a spanner in the works - may go with just the catback and save the rest for suspension mods. Still not 100% decided :sad1:
I'm planning to do chassis mods before I do anything to the engine (i.e. remap, CAI etc) as I want the car to be "ready" for the extra power. Powerwise, i'm looking for around 300/310bhp max, which is what i believe a stage 1 remap delivers. So, I have been advised to go for the catback only. What advantages, if any, will there be if i went for a turboback with stage 1 over a catback? Would I be wasting my money if i went for a turboback + stage 1?
Any advice would be great......please help a man in need.... :laugh:
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Hi all,
Thought i'd give a small update. Planning to have the exhaust fitted sometime this month/early next month. I rang blueflame earlier this week - it seems they now supply to Awesome and for me to have a blueflame fitted, i'd have to speak to Awesome. I was originally set on going with blueflame because of the deal they had for forum members, but it seems as though they're at the original price now through Awesome (£1080). So, this has thrown a spanner in the works - may go with just the catback and save the rest for suspension mods. Still not 100% decided :sad1:
I'm planning to do chassis mods before I do anything to the engine (i.e. remap, CAI etc) as I want the car to be "ready" for the extra power. Powerwise, i'm looking for around 300/310bhp max, which is what i believe a stage 1 remap delivers. So, I have been advised to go for the catback only. What advantages, if any, will there be if i went for a turboback with stage 1 over a catback? Would I be wasting my money if i went for a turboback + stage 1?
Any advice would be great......please help a man in need.... :laugh:
as far as i can gather a cat back will do SFA, a turbo back will give you a few more horses, but you get the most from the hardware mods by having the map tweeked to suit them ie stage 2 map.
http://www.dcperformance.co.uk/power/blueflame-exhaust-system/volkswagen/golf-mk5.html (http://www.dcperformance.co.uk/power/blueflame-exhaust-system/volkswagen/golf-mk5.html)
good price for the blue flame stuff here and fit it yourself or get a local garage to do it, its not rocket science fitting the system :happy2:
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^^^ The VWR/Milltek has a slight smaller back box and different tailpipes. :happy2:
Bring on the Boom! :jumpmove:
....My Milltek has the smaller back box with even less stuffing inside it than the VWR version. I don't get any boom but I don't like a quiet exhaust at any time, motorway or otherwise. But mine's not over noisey anyway. If I hold exactly the same revs, say around 3,000, then of course the sound is constant but that's not boom - I never ever use Cruise anyway.
Sound is extremely subjective - We individually hear different frequencies anyway. Some will prefer the sound of the Blueflame and others will prefer the sound of the Milltek. If I had to describe the difference between them I'd suggest that the Milltek sounds more sophisticated than the Blueflame or APR which both sound slightly more raucous and sporty. Nathan's Milltek through the tunnels of Brussels sounds pretty sporty though!
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What advantages, if any, will there be if i went for a turboback with stage 1 over a catback? Would I be wasting my money if i went for a turboback + stage 1?
Any advice would be great......please help a man in need.... :laugh:
....You need to think further ahead if possible. If you decide to go beyond Stage1 in the future and/or get a high-flow tubular air intake, you'll want a turboback to get the most out of it all.
Beware the slippery slope of modding!!
HTH :happy2:
P.S.- And yes, VWR exhausts are custom-made for them by Milltek who also sponsor the VW Cup.
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Hi all,
Thought i'd give a small update. Planning to have the exhaust fitted sometime this month/early next month. I rang blueflame earlier this week - it seems they now supply to Awesome and for me to have a blueflame fitted, i'd have to speak to Awesome. I was originally set on going with blueflame because of the deal they had for forum members, but it seems as though they're at the original price now through Awesome (£1080). So, this has thrown a spanner in the works - may go with just the catback and save the rest for suspension mods. Still not 100% decided :sad1:
I'm planning to do chassis mods before I do anything to the engine (i.e. remap, CAI etc) as I want the car to be "ready" for the extra power. Powerwise, i'm looking for around 300/310bhp max, which is what i believe a stage 1 remap delivers. So, I have been advised to go for the catback only. What advantages, if any, will there be if i went for a turboback with stage 1 over a catback? Would I be wasting my money if i went for a turboback + stage 1?
Any advice would be great......please help a man in need.... :laugh:
I think its called the awesome tax.
Remus also do a TBE but its dear.
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Hi all,
Thought i'd give a small update. Planning to have the exhaust fitted sometime this month/early next month. I rang blueflame earlier this week - it seems they now supply to Awesome and for me to have a blueflame fitted, i'd have to speak to Awesome. I was originally set on going with blueflame because of the deal they had for forum members, but it seems as though they're at the original price now through Awesome (£1080). So, this has thrown a spanner in the works - may go with just the catback and save the rest for suspension mods. Still not 100% decided :sad1:
I'm planning to do chassis mods before I do anything to the engine (i.e. remap, CAI etc) as I want the car to be "ready" for the extra power. Powerwise, i'm looking for around 300/310bhp max, which is what i believe a stage 1 remap delivers. So, I have been advised to go for the catback only. What advantages, if any, will there be if i went for a turboback with stage 1 over a catback? Would I be wasting my money if i went for a turboback + stage 1?
Any advice would be great......please help a man in need.... :laugh:
as far as i can gather a cat back will do SFA, a turbo back will give you a few more horses, but you get the most from the hardware mods by having the map tweeked to suit them ie stage 2 map.
http://www.dcperformance.co.uk/power/blueflame-exhaust-system/volkswagen/golf-mk5.html (http://www.dcperformance.co.uk/power/blueflame-exhaust-system/volkswagen/golf-mk5.html)
good price for the blue flame stuff here and fit it yourself or get a local garage to do it, its not rocket science fitting the system :happy2:
Thanks for the link - looks like i'm back on track with that price :happy2: Where is this company based?
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What advantages, if any, will there be if i went for a turboback with stage 1 over a catback? Would I be wasting my money if i went for a turboback + stage 1?
Any advice would be great......please help a man in need.... :laugh:
....You need to think further ahead if possible. If you decide to go beyond Stage1 in the future and/or get a high-flow tubular air intake, you'll want a turboback to get the most out of it all.
Beware the slippery slope of modding!!
HTH :happy2:
P.S.- And yes, VWR exhausts are custom-made for them by Milltek who also sponsor the VW Cup.
Yes, I am well aware of this slippery slope everyone mentions and i'm hoping not to slip too far down it :scared: I'm planning to stay with the mentioned mods because i'm going to keep the car long term (especially after learning the price of a new Golf R). As it's being driven on a daily basis, I still want something reliable. I just thought that having a full, low resistance exhaust would allow the exhaust gases to flow more freely and that would be a good setup for the engine in the long run especially once it's remapped (to stage 1). At the same time, just incase i decide to do further mods to the car it's nice to know i'll have a car better prepared for it.... 8)
Will there be any problems/issues that i'll need to look out for if I decided on turboback + stage 1 (+ CAI + intercooler)?
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I think its called the awesome tax.
Remus also do a TBE but its dear.
Not as bad as what Oettinger are charging for a full exhaust - that'll be £5000 sir :confused:
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Yes, I am well aware of this slippery slope everyone mentions and i'm hoping not to slip too far down it :scared: I'm planning to stay with the mentioned mods because i'm going to keep the car long term (especially after learning the price of a new Golf R). As it's being driven on a daily basis, I still want something reliable. I just thought that having a full, low resistance exhaust would allow the exhaust gases to flow more freely and that would be a good setup for the engine in the long run especially once it's remapped (to stage 1). At the same time, just incase i decide to do further mods to the car it's nice to know i'll have a car better prepared for it.... 8)
Will there be any problems/issues that i'll need to look out for if I decided on turboback + stage 1 (+ CAI + intercooler)?
If your running those hardware mods you would ideally have the stage 2 code. The only issue you might get in that config is the engine management light might come on after a bit of driving with the TBE as the exhaust gas sensor will trigger.
It won't do any harm running like but you will probably find the stage 2 code much more rewarding anyway :happy2:
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like steve p has said, get the stage 2 plus code. Then all you need is a pump and you can go out slaying porsches lol. :happy2:
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makes me chuckle when i read things like "i'm looking for around 300/310bhp max", that wont last long mate, you can guarantee that.
reading through this post you seem to have disregarded the option of just having a performance downpipe and Cat mated to the std cat back.
a turbo back you get the best of both worlds, CAT back you'll only realy get the sound factor plus a minimal increase.
with the DP you will have a deeper burble, and the performance increase for a stage 2 setup, which you might as well get as with the mods you are talking about. ( if you dont get the cat back you could get some HPFP internals instead and have change and a truly fast car)
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like steve p has said, get the stage 2 plus code. Then all you need is a pump and you can go out slaying porsches lol. :happy2:
....I think that SteveP said : -
If your running those hardware mods you would ideally have the stage 2 code. ...
It won't do any harm running like but you will probably find the stage 2 code much more rewarding anyway :happy2:
....Stage 2 code and not Stage 2 plus code.
Not only is it more rewarding to experience each stage one at a time but if there are any problems it's usually easier/simpler to diagnose them. Plus if budget is a consideration it's cheaper one step at a time.
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Be interesting to know if these sports cats meet the oem standard type, type approval as all replacment cats fitted to cars made from 2001 must do.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2009/em/uksiem_20091899_en.pdf
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Hi all,
Thought i'd give a small update. Planning to have the exhaust fitted sometime this month/early next month. I rang blueflame earlier this week - it seems they now supply to Awesome and for me to have a blueflame fitted, i'd have to speak to Awesome. I was originally set on going with blueflame because of the deal they had for forum members, but it seems as though they're at the original price now through Awesome (£1080). So, this has thrown a spanner in the works - may go with just the catback and save the rest for suspension mods. Still not 100% decided :sad1:
I'm planning to do chassis mods before I do anything to the engine (i.e. remap, CAI etc) as I want the car to be "ready" for the extra power. Powerwise, i'm looking for around 300/310bhp max, which is what i believe a stage 1 remap delivers. So, I have been advised to go for the catback only. What advantages, if any, will there be if i went for a turboback with stage 1 over a catback? Would I be wasting my money if i went for a turboback + stage 1?
Any advice would be great......please help a man in need.... :laugh:
I think its called the awesome tax.
Remus also do a TBE but its dear.
Hi
Yes we are Blueflame dealers now
This is because we like to deal with more than 1 of each suppliers
That means we can sell more than 1 make of exhausts
Blueflame we are doing 10% off their retail , so I can`t see how this is the usual Awesome tax you call it????
We are discount the pricings to start with :happy2:
I would have thought if it was to be an Awesome tax , then we would charge more than the retail????
Sarah
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how about beating competitors prices? as above £800 delivered
show us what your made of awesome if you dare :party:
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how about beating competitors prices? as above £800 delivered
show us what your made of awesome if you dare :party:
Get me a link over and I will see what I can do for you
Ebay , I am afraid is a no , but send me a link ;)
Sarah
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http://www.dcperformance.co.uk/power/blueflame-exhaust-system/volkswagen/golf.html :happy2:
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^^^^
:evilgrin: You're so cute when you get mad, Sarah :evilgrin:
I'm sure you won't let these boys get on top of you, but they'll try.
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Be interesting to know if these sports cats meet the oem standard type, type approval as all replacment cats fitted to cars made from 2001 must do.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2009/em/uksiem_20091899_en.pdf
....Well, I know that Milltek are up to speed on such matters.
Personally, I find such legislation tedious and irritating but I'm inclined to be rebellious by nature.
Part of what I find irritating is that the authorities aren't realistic - The real-world pollution assessment is to take into account the WHOLE carbon footprint of a vehicle as dust-to-dust does, instead of political posturing and drowning us in even more bureaucracy.
If I'm correctly understanding this 35-page document, all of us with vehicles built after 1st March 2001 could potentially be adversely effected at MOT time. The feckin govn'ment seem intent on their 2009 legislation being retrospective.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fmedia%2FRedRobin_05%2FRED_INK%2FCarbonFootprint2_490.jpg&hash=a55d0e57bfddcc2bb6c6c26cbd808ab17e34dc1b)
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^^^^
:evilgrin: You're so cute when you get mad, Sarah :evilgrin:
I'm sure you won't let these boys get on top of you, but they'll try.
Oooh , you sweet talker you.....
I hate being beaten , and if I can , I will NOT be beaten :mad:
But then I like helping too , so if I can get you a deal , by hook or crook , I will ;)
But thank you Robin.......
Sarah
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If you go for the Blueflame just be aware that it is really loud on the ED 30 when pushing on, also there is a 95% chance that you will get the code on your dash after about 50 miles. A few people have been ok, but most get the light on. The only way to clear the code is with stage 2 which switches the second sensor off i think. :happy2:
But on the plus side the DSG burps with the Blueflame are amazing and still make me grin over a year later. :party:
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mmm sounds ominous :party:
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If I'm correctly understanding this 35-page document, all of us with vehicles built after 1st March 2001 could potentially be adversely effected at MOT time. The feckin govn'ment seem intent on their 2009 legislation being retrospective.
Yep. The problem is most places don't even know about it, but you can bet your last penny the road side check points do!
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So, to summarise, just want to see if i have the correct understanding:
1. If i go for the turboback exhaust, there is a chance that a warning lamp on the dash will come on - in which case i'll need to upload a stage 2 remap. Also, the stage 2 map will better compliment the turboback. How much of a difference will there be between stage 1 & turboback and stage 2 & turboback?
2. I will need to look at a HPFP if I go stage 2+. Is this also the case if i went for stage 2?
Is there any chance I can have the turboback and taylor the remap so that the exhaust warning lamp goes off and I can limit the car to 300ish bhp? Just don't feel the power from stage 2/2+ without a quaife diff is a good idea and I want to do things in stages.
As far as the sound is concerned, as long as there is no booming at motorway speeds i don't mind. It just means that whenever there are passengers, it's not too loud but when i'm on my own and I feel the need to "exercise" the car, it will put a smile on my face.
The thread is making good reading - thanks for all the advice :happy2: (even though it looks like i'll spend much more than I first anticipated :signLOL:)
Awesome Sarah - give us a deal worthy of your company name :party:
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just because at stage 2 you will have around 330hp, doesnt mean you have to use it all, but with revo you can always turn the power down. :happy2:
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Why dont you just get stage 1 and a cat back? You obviously aren't overly mad about massive figures so with that set up you will have a very quick car that sounds great? Then if you want any more you can just buy the bits as you want and get a bit more power and fun in stages... :happy2:
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So, to summarise, just want to see if i have the correct understanding:
1. If i go for the turboback exhaust, there is a chance that a warning lamp on the dash will come on - in which case i'll need to upload a stage 2 remap. Also, the stage 2 map will better compliment the turboback. How much of a difference will there be between stage 1 & turboback and stage 2 & turboback?
2. I will need to look at a HPFP if I go stage 2+. Is this also the case if i went for stage 2?
Is there any chance I can have the turboback and taylor the remap so that the exhaust warning lamp goes off and I can limit the car to 300ish bhp? Just don't feel the power from stage 2/2+ without a quaife diff is a good idea and I want to do things in stages.
As far as the sound is concerned, as long as there is no booming at motorway speeds i don't mind. It just means that whenever there are passengers, it's not too loud but when i'm on my own and I feel the need to "exercise" the car, it will put a smile on my face.
The thread is making good reading - thanks for all the advice :happy2: (even though it looks like i'll spend much more than I first anticipated :signLOL:)
Awesome Sarah - give us a deal worthy of your company name :party:
Right guys after a bit of a chat with Blueflame , and the bosses that be here at Awesome , I think I am coming back with a bit of good news :D
We have decided that we will do 20% off retail
On that thread , it was quoted at 18% , so we are going that little bit further for you guys
But to order these , you will have to give me a call for this offer
This will be limited to you guys too
So that would make the MK5 Golf and Edition 30 , turbo back exhausts £737.39 + VAT
Postage on these would be £18 + VAT too
Like I said , this is limited to you guys ;)
Sarah
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what the hell u guys waiting for get the exhaust bought :evilgrin: :evilgrin: love mine would have no other on my car :rolleye:
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So, to summarise, just want to see if i have the correct understanding:
1. If i go for the turboback exhaust, there is a chance that a warning lamp on the dash will come on - in which case i'll need to upload a stage 2 remap. Also, the stage 2 map will better compliment the turboback. How much of a difference will there be between stage 1 & turboback and stage 2 & turboback?
2. I will need to look at a HPFP if I go stage 2+. Is this also the case if i went for stage 2?
Is there any chance I can have the turboback and taylor the remap so that the exhaust warning lamp goes off and I can limit the car to 300ish bhp? Just don't feel the power from stage 2/2+ without a quaife diff is a good idea and I want to do things in stages.
As far as the sound is concerned, as long as there is no booming at motorway speeds i don't mind. It just means that whenever there are passengers, it's not too loud but when i'm on my own and I feel the need to "exercise" the car, it will put a smile on my face.
The thread is making good reading - thanks for all the advice :happy2: (even though it looks like i'll spend much more than I first anticipated :signLOL:)
Awesome Sarah - give us a deal worthy of your company name :party:
Right guys after a bit of a chat with Blueflame , and the bosses that be here at Awesome , I think I am coming back with a bit of good news :D
We have decided that we will do 20% off retail
On that thread , it was quoted at 18% , so we are going that little bit further for you guys
But to order these , you will have to give me a call for this offer
This will be limited to you guys too
So that would make the MK5 Golf and Edition 30 , turbo back exhausts £737.39 + VAT
Postage on these would be £18 + VAT too
Like I said , this is limited to you guys ;)
Sarah
thanks for getting back to us Sarah, but your price is still higher with dcperformance's offer being £684.70+VAT (£104) unless i've missed something here :sad1:
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£802 inc vat and delivery is the price to beat
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a new zorst is what im actually thinking about to release the power...
just over 300 atm so.. dont know if i want r32 style tho ;)