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Title: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: Rgb on May 25, 2014, 11:40:22 pm
Hi All

I've been here for a while but have not posted yet.

I'm at the end of my patience with my car - a 2006 stock GTi. 

It has developed (over the past 5 months) what can be described as a juddering/vibration at all speeds above about 60 mph.  This juddering makes the car seats and steering wheel vibrate.  It sounds like the sound you get if you leave the window open when driving at speed.

I've had the following done in the past 3 months.

- new coilpacks
- new spark plugs
- new PCV
- new latest edition DV.
- new low pressure fuel switch.
- cam follower is in perfect condition

The car has been back at the local stealers who failed to diagnose anything and said the car runs perfectly.  I can't be bothered taking it back to explain to them and show them the problem.  They even took it on an 'extended' road test and didn't think the juddering was odd.  The engine light has never come on!

If anyone can advise on what to do next I'd be grateful.  I don't have access to diagnostic kit.

I've done about 40k in the car (it has 73k) in 18 months.  Its brilliant apart from this newly developed problem.

Any help would be fantastic.

Cheers
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Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: Markyed30 on May 25, 2014, 11:43:28 pm
Had something like this in a megane coupe and was a driveshaft or both.
Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: kmackgttdi on May 25, 2014, 11:54:07 pm
As above driveshaft... But also check wheel balance? Shouldn't cost much to have it re done. And might throw up a buckle?
Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: dansmith180 on May 26, 2014, 12:08:29 am
As above, maybe wheel trouble or a bulge in the tyre or something silly like that?
Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: Rgb on May 26, 2014, 09:01:59 am
I've just had the wheels balanced and checked the tyres for obvious faults - there are none visible.

It's booked into a local garage for some fault finding to make sure I'm not missing the obvious. The dealer visit was worthless - they wouldn't listen.

I had thought it my have been hub rings (wheels are 18" from Audi) but they are both present.

I'll post an update when I have one...
Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: SeaV on May 26, 2014, 03:56:32 pm
Just had the same on the Transit workhorse, drive shaft replacement. :(
Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: motogp46 on May 26, 2014, 06:31:22 pm
Hi. Where in the UK are you? I'd recommend taking it to one of the specialist places frequently mentioned on these forums.


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Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: Airz182 on May 26, 2014, 06:38:30 pm
Had juddering at 70mph on mine, thought it was a wheel that needed rebalancing, but had a driveshaft replaced before i got round the getting wheels balanced, juddering went away!!
Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: Rgb on May 26, 2014, 07:07:25 pm
I'm near Dumfries - can't see too many VAG specialists nearby.

Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: betty_swollox on May 26, 2014, 07:09:46 pm
I'm near Dumfries - can't see too many VAG specialists nearby.



Surely it'd be worth travelling a little bit??
Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: Rgb on May 26, 2014, 07:11:06 pm
Had juddering at 70mph on mine, thought it was a wheel that needed rebalancing, but had a driveshaft replaced before i got round the getting wheels balanced, juddering went away!!

At least the juddering went!  Just had the front wheels rebalanced last week.

Any info on what kind of driveshaft failure this would be and likely cause?  I do drive on some crappy B roads.
Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: Rgb on May 26, 2014, 07:13:47 pm
I'm near Dumfries - can't see too many VAG specialists nearby.



Surely it'd be worth travelling a little bit??

Defo would travel - it's in to the local I dependant tomorrow. When I spoke to him he appears pretty switched on.  I'll wait until he calls with the first diagnosis.

Any recommendations for a specialist nearest me?
Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: Airz182 on May 26, 2014, 08:13:22 pm
Had juddering at 70mph on mine, thought it was a wheel that needed rebalancing, but had a driveshaft replaced before i got round the getting wheels balanced, juddering went away!!

At least the juddering went!  Just had the front wheels rebalanced last week.

Any info on what kind of driveshaft failure this would be and likely cause?  I do drive on some crappy B roads.

I only changed driveshaft due to cv joint clicking on full lock
Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: Rgb on May 27, 2014, 12:11:49 pm
UPDATE!

Two front tyres are deformed on inside edges.  Tyres are well worn (circa. 2mm remaining).  A pot hole or similar may have contributed to this.

Mechanic reports hes seen this before, but given I've taken about 25k miles out the set I'm happy to replace slightly early.

Should have new tyres fitted this week - fingers crossed.

Thanks for all the input from forum members.
Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: Markyed30 on May 27, 2014, 07:44:12 pm
I get around 10 k miles to front tyres  :scared:
Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: TondyRS on May 27, 2014, 11:53:46 pm
Have you tried forced wheel balancing? focuses on balance of tyre itself not the wheel and wheel weights.
Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: Viking on May 28, 2014, 08:18:56 am
Just had the front wheels rebalanced last week.

UPDATE!

Two front tyres are deformed on inside edges.  Tyres are well worn (circa. 2mm remaining).  A pot hole or similar may have contributed to this.

Mechanic reports hes seen this before,

So which idiot balanced the wheels and failed to see your tyres were fecked?  :stupid:
Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: Rgb on May 28, 2014, 12:07:39 pm
Just had the front wheels rebalanced last week.

UPDATE!

Two front tyres are deformed on inside edges.  Tyres are well worn (circa. 2mm remaining).  A pot hole or similar may have contributed to this.

Mechanic reports hes seen this before,

So which idiot balanced the wheels and failed to see your tyres were fecked?  :stupid:

The mian dealer nugget!!!
Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: graeme on May 28, 2014, 12:37:06 pm
I get around 10 k miles to front tyres  :scared:

I see 6k :laugh: Think i may drive a bit hard then. :laugh:
Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: Andy on May 28, 2014, 12:40:48 pm
Just had the front wheels rebalanced last week.

UPDATE!

Two front tyres are deformed on inside edges.  Tyres are well worn (circa. 2mm remaining).  A pot hole or similar may have contributed to this.

Mechanic reports hes seen this before,

So which idiot balanced the wheels and failed to see your tyres were fecked?  :stupid:

The mian dealer nugget!!!
bloody idiots dealers-i would take the tyres back to the dealers and show them
Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: Rgb on May 29, 2014, 12:02:28 pm
Just had the front wheels rebalanced last week.

UPDATE!

Two front tyres are deformed on inside edges.  Tyres are well worn (circa. 2mm remaining).  A pot hole or similar may have contributed to this.

Mechanic reports hes seen this before,

So which idiot balanced the wheels and failed to see your tyres were fecked?  :stupid:

The mian dealer nugget!!!
bloody idiots dealers-i would take the tyres back to the dealers and show them

It's the last time i use them - fecking hopeless and charge a ££
Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: dan930 on May 29, 2014, 02:25:16 pm
So did u get it sorted in the end mate?
Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: Rgb on May 29, 2014, 06:28:35 pm
Two new Eagle F1s later and the juddering has virtually disappeared.

One of the front alloys is damaged slightly, but balanced.  Was thinking about an alloy refurb anyway so might just get that done and hope that it corrects the alloy.  If not it'll go on the rear!

Good deal on Eagle F1s from Camskill.  £190 for 2!  225/40 x18
Title: Re: Juddering at 60 mph + in all gears
Post by: Scottymon on May 29, 2014, 06:39:57 pm
Great price, may check that, as I've just toasted two F1's due to fecked wishbone bushes.