MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Modifications & Technical Area => Performance Modifications => Topic started by: Rayhoop on May 30, 2014, 02:38:44 pm
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So I've been searching the forum and reading lots about remaps etc.
I have not found an example where an owner of a standard GTI or Edition30 has a custom remap on an otherwise standard car.
What I was looking to find out, was how far can the standard car be mapped before breathing, intercooling, fuel supply becomes an issue. when I say "how far", I mean a nice smooth and strong map - not something that has a spike of high power at one point but everywhere else it is wobbly.
I understand there is a good reason why most people will combine a set of mods before investing in the remap - but I'm just curious if anyone can give me actual results along the lines of:
without other mods, we mapped it too xxxhp
sorting out the intake then tweaking the map resulted in a xxhp gain
exhaust + tweak = xxhp gain
hpfp + tweak = xx... You get the idea.
Can anyone provide any insight into what they found?
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Stage 1 is as much as you'll get from a standard car otherwise they'd be no need for a low cell cat (or cat delete), a CAI, a bigger cooler or a HPFP to get any more from it. It's all about the flow and that'll be restricted without the supporting mods.
Not sure whether you have K03 or K04 but contact one of the custom tuners to see what's what. Niki at R-Tech for a custom linear map IMHO or a generic linear map from REVO are your best bets.
Loads of threads on every Level of map and what you'll achieve, even a thread on Dyno results, all in the Performance section.
Happy modding! :happy2:
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On my K03 GTI I got 248.3bhp from stage one custom (r-tech), panel filter and pre-cat removed. R-Tech's mapping techniques have moved on since then and more power and torque is available from those mods :happy2: I couldn't speak for other tuners, I don't think they have investigated new techniques (certainly not heard about it on the forum)
Typically outputs vary dependant on condition of your engine and anciliarry components (these TFSI's mostly have 60+k miles now) and what hardware you choose.
Have a read through this to get a flavour of what different branded mods do for the output and curve:
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,16977.0.html
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Rtech is the place to go.
My GTI (k03) made 267bhp and 324lbs ft with just a intake :happy2:
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Good stuff.
I hear a lot of good things about R-Tech. Might have to give them a call to find out what can be done. But... before I do that - off to the dyno thread to see if I can get an idea of what is possible!
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Circa 290-305 bhp for ed30 is best can be achieved really
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Oooooooh R Tech I love you :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty:
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Oooooooh R Tech I love you :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty:
Troll :signLOL:
That sort of behaviour justifies a "thank you" from Hedge
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Oooooooh R Tech I love you :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty: :booty:
Troll :signLOL:
That sort of behaviour justifies a "thank you" from Hedge
Not a troll at all lol, just bored of hearing about r tech
But I know a lot of people are bored of hearing about APR lol
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Fair enough.
R-tech have been recommended for the last 18months, it's was APR for 6months before that (when they came back to the UK), and before that there was 4 years of Revo :grin:
There will be another tuner along soon to blow us all away
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Fair enough.
R-tech have been recommended for the last 18months, it's was APR for 6months before that (when they came back to the UK), and before that there was 4 years of Revo :grin:
There will be another tuner along soon to blow us all away
Lol I know mate, when I had my first cupra, everyone was starting the APR vs Revo debate :popcornsoda: :signLOL:
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Revo- r tech - apr.. Line them all up and i can assure you there would be barely nothing between them! Most probaly wouldnt even notice if someone came along and loaded a different map onto there ecu
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Revo- r tech - apr.. Line them all up and i can assure you there would be barely nothing between them! Most probaly wouldnt even notice if someone came along and loaded a different map onto there ecu
Absolutely, in terms of outright power the basic st1,2,2+ maps produce roughly the same BHP across the tuners, and the only significant difference in how it drives would only be where a customer has specified how they want a certain delivery, otherwise they would be fairly similar -this would also be the case for a custom setup for non-mainstream hardware (like James), this can't be compared like-for-like with another tuner.
The difference is "behind the scenes" in what your hardware is doing to make the power (Superchips evidently maxing everything out at low revs being an example of this) , and the health of your bank account.
Each tuner offers their own querks and uniqueness which will suit different tastes:
- Revo SPS switch (really this is a must if you have a Revo map), anti-theft feature
- APR for the cruise control switchable maps
- R-Tech for new Traction control mapping, hard-cut launch mapping, switchable using pedal combinations, anti-jerk mapping
(Think Revo & APR may do some sort of launch control and hard-cut limiter also but not sure). All the above offer linear throttle mapping, although IIRC R-Tech are the only tuner that offer a true 1:1 throttle map.
Pretty sure all that ^^^ is factually correct, but if any tuners want to correct me then feel free :happy2:
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To be totally honest, I probably wont be bothering R-tech with a call, as it wouldnt be fair to just call for the sake of info when I know I wont be spending any money with them.
Reason for the post was curiosity. Thought someone must have tried it (remap on std BYD engine).
Just to confuddle most of you. When I'm ready, I'll be dropping a line to our tame engine calibration specialist Toyotec :P
The name will be familiar to those who have ever posted on the ClubGTI forum or other Jap car tuning forums :happy2:
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I've never heard Toyotec mentioned on this forum, are they specialists with the TFSI engine?
Having not been recommended on here (nor even mentioned), can they REALLY be as knowledgable as the tuners that have tuned thousands of these cars in various states of tune and tackled many faults they have come across with customers cars?
Also, as knowledge improves, the tuners further hone their maps to exploit exactly what these engines can offer. I doubt someone who hasn't been "messing" with these engines for years can offer this service
My advice (which I'm sure would be echoed by many other forumers) is stick to a tuner which has solid recommendations on here to make sure you get the best service, for the best price, and who will give you the time of day if there are any problems in future. .
We hear it time and time again on here that someone has gone to xxxx tuner and the car is now having problems. The tuners present on the forum will always help you out and offer support if you have gone to them.
An example of this is viezu who GarethB went to for a map. The car performed badly on the road, and a Dyno session showed a poor performance. He switched to Revo and instantly the car ran better. . .
Anyway, that's probably the best advice this forum can give in this situation.
Good luck with which ever way you go :drinking:
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To be totally honest, I probably wont be bothering R-tech with a call, as it wouldnt be fair to just call for the sake of info when I know I wont be spending any money with them.
Reason for the post was curiosity. Thought someone must have tried it (remap on std BYD engine).
Just to confuddle most of you. When I'm ready, I'll be dropping a line to our tame engine calibration specialist Toyotec :P
The name will be familiar to those who have ever posted on the ClubGTI forum or other Jap car tuning forums :happy2:
What u got against r tech?
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I've never heard Toyotec mentioned on this forum, are they specialists with the TFSI engine?
Having not been recommended on here (nor even mentioned), can they REALLY be as knowledgable as the tuners that have tuned thousands of these cars in various states of tune and tackled many faults they have come across with customers cars?
Also, as knowledge improves, the tuners further hone their maps to exploit exactly what these engines can offer. I doubt someone who hasn't been "messing" with these engines for years can offer this service
My advice (which I'm sure would be echoed by many other forumers) is stick to a tuner which has solid recommendations on here to make sure you get the best service, for the best price, and who will give you the time of day if there are any problems in future. .
We hear it time and time again on here that someone has gone to xxxx tuner and the car is now having problems. The tuners present on the forum will always help you out and offer support if you have gone to them.
An example of this is viezu who GarethB went to for a map. The car performed badly on the road, and a Dyno session showed a poor performance. He switched to Revo and instantly the car ran better. . .
Anyway, that's probably the best advice this forum can give in this situation.
Good luck with which ever way you go :drinking:
I have never heard of them lol
But my car had a remap on already (done by evotune in Durham) and tbf it was a really good map
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BUT I have to admit I was worried that the map may not have been perfect for the car with them not being VAG specialists.
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To be totally honest, I probably wont be bothering R-tech with a call, as it wouldnt be fair to just call for the sake of info when I know I wont be spending any money with them.
Reason for the post was curiosity. Thought someone must have tried it (remap on std BYD engine).
Just to confuddle most of you. When I'm ready, I'll be dropping a line to our tame engine calibration specialist Toyotec :P
The name will be familiar to those who have ever posted on the ClubGTI forum or other Jap car tuning forums :happy2:
Who are they! :confused:
In 7 years I've owned Mk5 GTi's, I've never heard of them on this forum, considering this is the Best forum for the car on the internet, I certainly wouldn't entertain a remap from an Unknown.
Just google RTech Power, and it will be top of the search list..that's how well known they are on ukmkiv,mk5golfgti,and Seat Cupra net..
:grin:
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Coor Blimey! I didnt realise mentioning a different tuner would get people so worried!
BettyS: Just to make it clear - I have nothing against Revo, AMD, R-Tech etc. They all produce results, tried and tested reliable ones.
All I said was it would not be bothering calling R-tech. Not because I dont like them... but would it be fair to ring R-tech just for a chat, if I know I'm unlikely to make the drive up there? It is fair to take up their time unless I was seriously shopping around and then looking to spend my money with the chosen firm?
To clarify, the only reasons I will not be calling/driving up to R-tech:
a) I'm not YET wanting to remap it, hence dont want to waste their time - I'm just curious about potential results...
b) I've a good mate (Toyotec) who I (and many others) have great confidence in, who lives not too far, and hence I will bug him when I'm ready for the work to be done.
c) Using a local person means I can easily return to them when my requirements/hardware changes etc, and I need a slight tweak in the map to accommodate.
Toyotec is an individual (Eddie). Highly experienced professional. Calibrates engine maps/drive trains as his day job for a large OEM manufacturer, and also as his passion/hobby. He has been tinkering with cars longer than I have been alive! I have a lot of respect for this guy's approach, work and results. From what I've read, the approach R-tech take is quite similar to Eddie's - in terms of smooth power delivery, tractable power, usable power across the curve - and not peaky/spikey etc.
SaintSteve: Correct - this forum is the most comprehensive for the MK5 Golf GTI. I love the amount of info available here! Some serious effort has gone into the site and the cars. But just because you haven't heard of him, doesn't make him a bad choice. :happy2:
Being a little cheeky :wink: - if I google "mk5 golf gti remap" Pistonheads comes up at the top of the list.. followed by AMD. Doesnt mean they are the best, just means their SEO is working amongst other things. Googling R-tech power review does flood my screen with positive comments from satisfied customers. Google toyotec, and nothing relevant comes up lol.
I've not had a chance to catch up with Eddie for a while. Simply because we are all busy people. Hence I thought I'd bug the members of this forum for info (which exists here already) before taking up Eddie's precious time.
I appreciate the comments, feedback, concern re: the health (future) of my Ed30 :smiley: But chill guys, variety is the spice of life! :happy2:
Or was it a girl named Verity?
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I took my GTI to AmD Tuning in Essex and got figures of 265.9 BHP and 305.9 ft/lb torque. All I had fitted was an air filter (not a full intake, just a K&N panel filter), a GFB DV+ replacement diverter valve fitting and a cat-back Miltek exhaust (with R32 rear back box).
My girlfriend took hers to the same place, had virtually the same modifications applied (hers was a Pipercross filter and standard fitting Miltek exhaust) but she got 5 less BHP and 20 less torques. Only reason I could find was the slight difference in engines, mines a BWA whereas hers is a AXX.
In answer to your question of how much power you can expect to gain from just a re-map, if you tell yourself about 20% you'll struggle to be disappointed with any result. Mine saw a 33% increase but I still need to verify it with a second dyno run.
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I took my GTI to AmD Tuning in Essex and got figures of 265.9 BHP and 305.9 ft/lb torque. All I had fitted was an air filter (not a full intake, just a K&N panel filter), a GFB DV+ replacement diverter valve fitting and a cat-back Miltek exhaust (with R32 rear back box).
My girlfriend took hers to the same place, had virtually the same modifications applied (hers was a Pipercross filter and standard fitting Miltek exhaust) but she got 5 less BHP and 20 less torques. Only reason I could find was the slight difference in engines, mines a BWA whereas hers is a AXX.
In answer to your question of how much power you can expect to gain from just a re-map, if you tell yourself about 20% you'll struggle to be disappointed with any result. Mine saw a 33% increase but I still need to verify it with a second dyno run.
but she got 5 less BHP and 20 less torques. Only reason I could find was the slight difference in engines, mines a BWA whereas hers is a AXX.
interesting find anyone found the same BWA more power than AXX ?