very interesting Steve, did carl make any tweaks to the Revo code at all?
you have got to be kidding me :confused: :surprised: 43.1 bhp 15n/m torque increase between standard intake and the ITG thats absolutley nuts.
Did it really feel like that much of a difference when you initiallyt fitted.
I must admit when i fitted mine the car really hesitated and was really jerky until the ECU adapted to the new increassed air flow. I think i have had an increase but not quite that much, but then I did have another intake before hand.
Steve do you mind if i paste that dyno graph into my thread on brikoda.
Thanks Steve, great post :happy2:
I'm curious. Why did you change the fuel setting for the OEM intake to 9 and have it on 6 for the ITG? I can't think of a reason why the OEM intake would not be able to cope with a fuel setting of 6 as you already have an uprated HPFP and this is the limitation when it comes to fueling.
Is it possible to run the Revo ST2+ software with the OEM filter? I thought I had read recently it can't be done? :confused:
Is it possible to run the Revo ST2+ software with the OEM filter? I thought I had read recently it can't be done? :confused:
Yes it's possible, but as my results show you aren't going to get much benefit without a good intake :happy2:
Same for a better IC, if you look at robern2 graph you will see a dip towards the end of the rev range due to things starting to get a bit hot :smiley:
what i can t get though is how this has given 40bhp+ over stock yet
great results Steve , but I cant buy it sorry.
40 bhp from an intake :surprised:
either you have hit the sweet spot of synergy for your modifications where the sum is greater than the individual parts
OR
the order in which things were done or some other factor has skewed the results, so the gain is not purely intake but intake + optimised pump
(could the HPFP be underperforming in a lower spec scenario ? so rather than the forge running being 40 better , the std run is actually low?)
in any case its a great result , the air intake clearly works VERY well , and your car must FLY ........... :pomppomp:
Wow :congrats:
I think I need to get my pump sorted! :party:
Some great figures. Making me think to swap my Dbilas but ouch the cost!
Some great figures. Making me think to swap my Dbilas but ouch the cost!
....Like john_o, I think it's much more about the 'sweet spot of synergy' between ALL of Steve's mods. There's a real danger of relatively expensive disappointment in simply strapping on an ITG and expecting mega bhp gains.
As Steve has alluded to (if I've understood correctly), an aftermarket fuel pump, intercooler, and Revo code/settings are all major contributing factors.
Steve's car is now a very fine example of what can be gained by carefully selecting and balancing a whole package of mods.
What we now need is a similar exercise applied to a K03 GTI and also evidence of how the ITG performs on a car with lesser mods such as oem intercooler and fuel pump.
I need to get down to JKM then I guess RR.
I'm running ITG/Bluefin St2/Full Non Res Milltek. Would be interested to see what I get.
Yes i have had all the supporting mods for quite some time. I don't expect to bolt on the ITG and gain 40hp! Would just be curious to see the difference between DB and ITG.
What shaun mentioned as well which sounds about right to is that the intake will block the heat from the engine very well, whereas it doesnt show the real time benefits with the Bonnet up and a fan on it.
What shaun mentioned as well which sounds about right to is that the intake will block the heat from the engine very well, whereas it doesnt show the real time benefits with the Bonnet up and a fan on it.
....Shouldn't rolling-road runs always be done with the bonnet closed?
@poverty dont forget this is k03 not k04, we cant get the same top end results you do. Also differnt scales will make the plot lines look different some times
@RR Ive been to a few different ones now, some leave it closed others open. personal preference of the technician i guess
Wow :congrats:
I think I need to get my pump sorted! :party:
Group Buy Nath? :grin:
....Shouldn't rolling-road runs always be done with the bonnet closed?
Yep, especially with the ITG kit as that's the way it's designed to work (hence the foam on the top of the battery box to help seal the area around the filter).
....Shouldn't rolling-road runs always be done with the bonnet closed?
Yep, especially with the ITG kit as that's the way it's designed to work (hence the foam on the top of the battery box to help seal the area around the filter).
....Much as I appreciate why that foam block is there to help seal, I just can't help the fact that I absolutely detest its appearance. OK on a race car perhaps - Because everything is just hacked about for purely functional reasons, but not acceptable on a road car IMHO.
ITG Andy, if you're reading this, pleeeeeease persuade ITG's bean-counters to give you the budget to resolve this to the same high standard of industrial design as the rest of your intake. Surely all you need do is to extend the heatshield joining the filter into an L-shape. Unless velcro'd there is a real risk of losing that crude block of foam (while servicing at a dealers for example). Furthermore, doesn't it interfere with quick access to the battery and fuse box? I'm sorry but I'm only giving my very honest opinion and it really spoils your product for me no matter how well it undoubtedly performs.
Ive always said thers no real difference between intakes... why spend over 300 quid for a product which can give same performance as one at the fraction of the price?
The itg kit is very nice and fits great but in my opinion is a tad over engineered and easily replicated with silicone and straigh pipes.
Ive always said thers no real difference between intakes... why spend over 300 quid for a product which can give same performance as one at the fraction of the price?
The itg kit is very nice and fits great but in my opinion is a tad over engineered and easily replicated with silicone and straigh pipes.
It's time for you to give it a rest on this now.
Every time something is posted about an intake you either disagree or post a picture of the BSH kit.
Ive always said thers no real difference between intakes... why spend over 300 quid for a product which can give same performance as one at the fraction of the price?
The itg kit is very nice and fits great but in my opinion is a tad over engineered and easily replicated with silicone and straigh pipes.
It's time for you to give it a rest on this now.
Every time something is posted about an intake you either disagree or post a picture of the BSH kit.
....Much as I appreciate why that foam block is there to help seal, I just can't help the fact that I absolutely detest its appearance. OK on a race car perhaps - Because everything is just hacked about for purely functional reasons, but not acceptable on a road car IMHO.
ITG Andy, if you're reading this, pleeeeeease persuade ITG's bean-counters to give you the budget to resolve this to the same high standard of industrial design as the rest of your intake. Surely all you need do is to extend the heatshield joining the filter into an L-shape. Unless velcro'd there is a real risk of losing that crude block of foam (while servicing at a dealers for example). Furthermore, doesn't it interfere with quick access to the battery and fuse box? I'm sorry but I'm only giving my very honest opinion and it really spoils your product for me no matter how well it undoubtedly performs.
All of us in attendance at the dyno day yesterday had a look conversation about this.
The reason it's made of foam is because it works and has nothing to do with the cost/budget/investment required to come up with something different.
The foam is tucked into the wing so it's really going anyway unless you want it to. The foam on the production kits is cut to size properly and not by Andy on the floor with a stanly knife :grin: So IMHO it looks completely acceptable and is inkeeping with the rest of the parts of the kit. :happy2:
....Much as I appreciate why that foam block is there to help seal, I just can't help the fact that I absolutely detest its appearance. OK on a race car perhaps - Because everything is just hacked about for purely functional reasons, but not acceptable on a road car IMHO.
ITG Andy, if you're reading this, pleeeeeease persuade ITG's bean-counters to give you the budget to resolve this to the same high standard of industrial design as the rest of your intake. Surely all you need do is to extend the heatshield joining the filter into an L-shape. Unless velcro'd there is a real risk of losing that crude block of foam (while servicing at a dealers for example). Furthermore, doesn't it interfere with quick access to the battery and fuse box? I'm sorry but I'm only giving my very honest opinion and it really spoils your product for me no matter how well it undoubtedly performs.
All of us in attendance at the dyno day yesterday had a look conversation about this.
The reason it's made of foam is because it works and has nothing to do with the cost/budget/investment required to come up with something different.
The foam is tucked into the wing so it's really going anyway unless you want it to. The foam on the production kits is cut to size properly and not by Andy on the floor with a stanly knife :grin: So IMHO it looks completely acceptable and is inkeeping with the rest of the parts of the kit. :happy2:
....Good to learn this, Steve :happy2:. Until I see one in real life I can only base my opinions on the posted photos and I haven't seen a pic of a 'finished' foam one yet which looks ok to me.
Looking forward to seeing yours at the next meet we both attend :happy2:
thats the thing when engineers gets the say on the final product....function over form...not form over function.
the ITG design works and works well. no need to flaf about to satisfy the form over function brigade.
Its not created for show and shine compos...its designed to increase airflow / turbo intake performance. Simples.
for those who want a more pleasing look, i'm sure they can find their own solution (lots of CF i would imagine and gold plated bling perhaps)
for me when it comes to modding, it is ALWAYS about function, and never about form.
Thats my 2p.
im not so sure. I think if the foam was replaced with something else....say plastic it wouldnt look so good. the foam serves a good purpose. To seal all the gaps with another material it would have to be very jagged and IMO opinion it would be too hard to make and be cost effective at the same time.
That looks pretty well finished to me. Id love to see a better looking way of closing the gaps off as efficiently as that. IMO the only option available that i think looks more ashthetically pleasing is the twintake which solves the issue by sealing the intakes in a housing. (incidently andy@ITG wanted to do that with some huuuge carbon scoop things like he did in the audi TT intake but the TT has a smaller battery and more space)
RR....
i totally understand your view point, but i'm just putting the point across from the other end of the stick where there are consumers who buy a product for what it does and the "finished" look is further down on the list of "essential requirements".
That extra bit of foam block, if removed entirely, would actually make it all tidier and more on the "finished" side of things.
But ITG is just catering for those who want a better seal of the intake from engine heat. There are plenty of CAI's out there that don't have a seal at all and yet they are "finished".
If this intake provides excellent VFM and BHP per £££'s, then I'd be getting one with no hesitation whatsoever.
Of course everyone is different, hence why there is a wide range of CAI's for people to choose from. :drinking:
you could put in the TT battery as a direct Oem replacment, but IMO opinion bang for buck and aesthetics the twintake would be the better option i reckon.
im not so sure. I think if the foam was replaced with something else....say plastic it wouldnt look so good. the foam serves a good purpose. To seal all the gaps with another material it would have to be very jagged and IMO opinion it would be too hard to make and be cost effective at the same time.
That looks pretty well finished to me. Id love to see a better looking way of closing the gaps off as efficiently as that. IMO the only option available that i think looks more ashthetically pleasing is the twintake which solves the issue by sealing the intakes in a housing. (incidently andy@ITG wanted to do that with some huuuge carbon scoop things like he did in the audi TT intake but the TT has a smaller battery and more space)
....Sorry, Si - My criticisms are referring mostly to the foam block atop the battery and fuse box and how it is 'extra' to and not integrated with the heatshield you posted a pic of.
I've been having long email chats with Andy for a while about what's on the Audi TT and its possible adaptation to a GTI. It would mean either relocating oem battery (not a practical option in a road car) or changing to a race battery which then wouldn't reliably power what's needed in a road car.
:happy2:
RR....
i totally understand your view point, but i'm just putting the point across from the other end of the stick where there are consumers who buy a product for what it does and the "finished" look is further down on the list of "essential requirements".
That extra bit of foam block, if removed entirely, would actually make it all tidier and more on the "finished" side of things.
But ITG is just catering for those who want a better seal of the intake from engine heat. There are plenty of CAI's out there that don't have a seal at all and yet they are "finished".
If this intake provides excellent VFM and BHP per £££'s, then I'd be getting one with no hesitation whatsoever.
Of course everyone is different, hence why there is a wide range of CAI's for people to choose from. :drinking:
....Absolutely agreed :drinking:
I am being very critical but if no-one who thinks as I do, gives any feedback, then ITG are not to know. [Robin, but no-one thinks as you do! I hear someone say]
In posting criticism of anything one has to be very careful to ensure that one's words reflect a sincere and honest criticism which has constructive intentions and which isn't insulting.
I definitely have this ITG intake on my shortlist and I wouldn't be bothering with that extra block of foam!! However, due to being Revo2 and Milltek TBE I would need to upgrade to an aftermarket HPFP (or turn down my Boost to 4) and I would only currently consider the APR (megabucks). Do I really want more power? - Not really, the power balance is perfect and she handles like a dream. I'm nothing like as fast as the modded Ed30 boyz but that doesn't bother me.
you could put in the TT battery as a direct Oem replacment, but IMO opinion bang for buck and aesthetics the twintake would be the better option i reckon.
As for the bit ontop of the battery. you could just take that out of the equation. Noother intake heatshield or not has had this before so it wont be that much of a loss. Id think the air coming in gfrom the grill should push most of the hot air away from the top of the battery area anyway
..due to being Revo2 and Milltek TBE I would need to upgrade to an aftermarket HPFP (or turn down my Boost to 4) and I would only currently consider the APR (megabucks).
all the guys on k03 that i know who have had the revo stage 2+ have likened it to the equivalent of going from std to stage 1 again. your car is very very well setup to utilise the extra torque and power from stage 2+ code. wouldnt go with the APR pump personally. Autotech or KMD internals are the way forward. 1 hours labour, and 300 queen quids for the intenals vs 700 queen quids for the apr pump
that would work perfectly, by creating a high pressure area around the filter it would remove the chance of hot air entering the filter area via the battery box
One point to note, the TT's battery is in the boot already, hence the extra space under the bonnet for a different ITG kit :smiley:
Stevep....
Have you done a cold air feed for the ITG, thru the inner wing etc??
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What's a Carbonspeed intake, Oli? Surely not the same as the Carbonio?
Er? :confused: & :surprised: - It's a replica Carbonio, I just Google'd it. Ed's not the first to say that but I don't quite understand how a ram+flat panel intake can deliver more gains than a high-flow tubular system.
Perhaps I'll be keeping my Carbonio!
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What's a Carbonspeed intake, Oli? Surely not the same as the Carbonio?
Er? :confused: & :surprised: - It's a replica Carbonio, I just Google'd it. Ed's not the first to say that but I don't quite understand how a ram+flat panel intake can deliver more gains than a high-flow tubular system.
Perhaps I'll be keeping my Carbonio!
In fairness Robin thats all I had up until I had my ITG and my car always achieved superb numbers! :happy2:
I thought the difference was pretty negligable. more throttle response i think bt nothing in comarison to a proper induction kit.
I thought the difference was pretty negligable. more throttle response i think bt nothing in comarison to a proper induction kit.
....It didn't feel much different from stock except throttle response but I didn't have a remap yet at the time.
One thing I do believe is the gains are bigger on the K04 cars than the K03.
I'm always interested to read these threads.
The people who have bought the product present the pro's and perceived benefits, the people with something else / nothing come back with the knocks and 'you shoulda bought summat else'!!
As I'm an objective modifier I want it to work, period. It's what it delivers on the road, not with bonnet opened parked up that matters to me.
i so want one :rolleye:
i so want one :rolleye:
you'd deffinetly need a hpfp with the itg intake imo.
i so want one :rolleye:
you'd deffinetly need a hpfp with the itg intake imo.
....Not necessarily - If you've got a Revo remap you could turn down the Boost setting and be fine on the stock fuel pump without fuel cut issues, I'm reliably advised. You could then get a HPFP later if you wanted. It's like 3+7=10 is the same as 4+6=10; Just a different balance.
If I get a high-flow tubular intake I'll just turn down my boost until I've got enough dosh for the APR HPFP but then I might just stay at Stage2 instead of 2+ and any extra stresses and not bother with the HPFP.
Having been through the same prosess as you say (except the other way round hpfp first) you wouldnt be getting the best out of the package as a whole if you got one or the other. Both the oem intake and fuel pump are pretty naff as you probably know.
Quick ITG quesiton!!
The extra pipe / hose that's on the KO4... Does the ITG come with a fitment for it or do I retain the one that was on my dbilas???
Someone comming to collect it soon... ITG here this week :party:
Will post a pic in a min of said connector
Quick ITG quesiton!!
The extra pipe / hose that's on the KO4... Does the ITG come with a fitment for it or do I retain the one that was on my dbilas???
Someone comming to collect it soon... ITG here this week :party:
Will post a pic in a min of said connector
Thanks for the intake =) the someone was me xD ...
cheers ^^
Quick ITG quesiton!!
The extra pipe / hose that's on the KO4... Does the ITG come with a fitment for it or do I retain the one that was on my dbilas???
Someone comming to collect it soon... ITG here this week :party:
Will post a pic in a min of said connector
Thanks for the intake =) the someone was me xD ...
cheers ^^
Quick tip for you mike, after you've oiled the filter leave it in the plastic bag and fit it with the bag on it. This way you won't get oil all over the place when your squeezing it into place! :happy2:
its cos your car is slow. give it some more miles to adapt.
dont forget though you were never going to get huge gains coming from the dbilias. You could feel the hesitation in the car on the drive to shell garage. mine was like that for about 50miles or so.
sounds awesome in the leon. it was hugely louder than mine, might be cos your exhaust is soo quiet :P
I'm surprised at the initial experience, I had a panel filter prior to stage2+, the difference was like night and day when I moved to the ITG. Hopefully things improve.
I'm surprised at the initial experience, I had a panel filter prior to stage2+, the difference was like night and day when I moved to the ITG. Hopefully things improve.
Yeah i noticed a vast improvement in the cars performance once the ITG intake was fitted
I'm surprised at the initial experience, I had a panel filter prior to stage2+, the difference was like night and day when I moved to the ITG. Hopefully things improve.
Yeah i noticed a vast improvement in the cars performance once the ITG intake was fitted
From std airbox though? I come from Dbilas...
vag com it and clear the adaption settings rather than forcing it to re learn using diables values in place.?
I don't think he has it.
its cos your car is slow. give it some more miles to adapt.
dont forget though you were never going to get huge gains coming from the dbilias. You could feel the hesitation in the car on the drive to shell garage. mine was like that for about 50miles or so.
sounds awesome in the leon. it was hugely louder than mine, might be cos your exhaust is soo quiet :P
I don't think he has it.
You can also temporarily disconnect the battery to clear the stored adaption data.
I don't think he has it.
You can also temporarily disconnect the battery to clear the stored adaption data.
If you do that with Revo you will end up with it reverting to stock settings.
No dont take battery off !
Its piss easy, well looked easy when dangb done it for me heheh
just a few clicks and the car feels like new.. literally !
Just clear the engine ecu stored fault codes even though there aren't any... :smiley:
Just clear the engine ecu stored fault codes even though there aren't any... :smiley:
Just clear the engine ecu stored fault codes even though there aren't any... :smiley:
Resets other variables such as fuel trim and timing back to default as well.
Just clear the engine ecu stored fault codes even though there aren't any... :smiley:
Resets other variables such as fuel trim and timing back to default as well.
Mike for adaption, I would think about 50-100 miles.
its cos your car is slow. give it some more miles to adapt.
dont forget though you were never going to get huge gains coming from the dbilias. You could feel the hesitation in the car on the drive to shell garage. mine was like that for about 50miles or so.
sounds awesome in the leon. it was hugely louder than mine, might be cos your exhaust is soo quiet :P
It shouldn't take 50 miles to adapt!
some good info there :happy2:
some good info there :happy2:
Holy thread resurrection... :scared: