MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: GTI-Ross on July 03, 2014, 05:32:15 pm
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I knew it would be a close one....
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Tagging this for when I get back from work!
Been waiting for a Vs. New Cupra looks amazing so glad it's holding up against the R!
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Ohhhh Ross this should be in the Random chat, not mk5 general area :grin:
Richard will be along soon to move it :rolleye:
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Leon goes well, shame it's as looks very bland
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Leon goes well, shame it's as looks very bland
looks better in grey, looks so boring in white
The mk7 golf r looks lush in any colour lol
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Lol just watched this was surprised it was so close ;)
Also watched the vid for the new Scooby hmmmm
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Leon goes well, shame it's as looks very bland
looks better in grey, looks so boring in white
The mk7 golf r looks lush in any colour lol
Golf looks nice, but I prefer the look of the Leon
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Looks like these have big tuning capabilities until you want to go big turbo...
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Leon goes well, shame it's as looks very bland
That's the exact same thing I said when I first saw the seat. Very disappointed in the looks of it. I so wanted it to be a bit more aggressive looking as standard.
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The external looks of both work for me but despite being a previous cupra owner I cannot get my head around how all seat dashs and instrument panels look... There's something not quite right about how steeply angled they are... Might be on my own with this opinion though?
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the grey leon at goodwood just didn't seem that special and I'm sure the price tag was around£30K, probably all options, but for a seat.......
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the grey leon at goodwood just didn't seem that special and I'm sure the price tag was around£30K, probably all options, but for a seat.......
OOOOOHHHH BADGE SNOB ALERT
(although I do agree to a certain extent. RRP of the Golf R is only 2-3k more and it'll hold its value better!)
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Doesnt surprise me...
Its annoying that they do all the testing on the most boring part of the circuit.
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Sugs up there ^^^^ best looking golf they have made in years for me.
Leon's always feel a bit tacky inside I think.
Even if it's a tiny bit faster on a track I'd still take the golf.
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the grey leon at goodwood just didn't seem that special and I'm sure the price tag was around£30K, probably all options, but for a seat.......
OOOOOHHHH BADGE SNOB ALERT
(although I do agree to a certain extent. RRP of the Golf R is only 2-3k more and it'll hold its value better!)
Pack your bags and leave this GOLF FORUM......you Spanish infultraitor..... :P
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the grey leon at goodwood just didn't seem that special and I'm sure the price tag was around£30K, probably all options, but for a seat.......
OOOOOHHHH BADGE SNOB ALERT
(although I do agree to a certain extent. RRP of the Golf R is only 2-3k more and it'll hold its value better!)
Pack your bags and leave this GOLF FORUM......you Spanish infultraitor..... :P
I'd take more notice if you could spell properly :congrats: :congrats:
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Well I love my new Cupra 280 (Modified of course already)
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Revo stage 1 beta :driver: :drool: :laugh:http://youtu.be/PsMwbwspLKk
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maybe the Seat, what with it being lighter than the Golf R, is faster on the sections of cadwell they were using but what got me from the vid was that the vast majority of it had the R in front punching a massive hole in the air whilst the Seat sat in and was declared quicker just because it kept up, then when he finally put the nose of the Cupra into some air resistance lo and behold he had to admit that he couldn't go by... :stupid:
the best test would be to get Chris Harris on the case.
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In their respective Autocar road tests the Cupra and Golf R are listed as weighing 1400kg and 1410kg, so they've either made a typo or they weigh, near as damn it, the same.
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Great video and it's impressive how fast the Cupra seems to be, given it's normally compared to the GTI rather than the R. I'd still take the Golf though as the Leon interior isn't up to scratch and I think the VW will be easier to live with
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I think the VW will be easier to live with
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I think the VW will be easier to live with
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As in its just a normal/ relaxed car when you want it to be and more comfortable inside. Leon seems more aggressively setup for track use compared to the Golf.
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Had 3 Golf R owners walk up to me today at Inters and all 3 said they wished they had bought the Cupra :p
Put the Cupra in comfort mode and its a sensible family hatch .. Press Cupra and sport mode on DSG and its a different animal
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Had 3 Golf R owners walk up to me today at Inters and all 3 said they wished they had bought the Cupra :p
Put the Cupra in comfort mode and its a sensible family hatch .. Press Cupra and sport mode on DSG and its a different animal
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The cupra is a good all round car. Just dont think its styled hot enough to be a hot hatch. Where's the aggressive wheels and body kit? Had to spot a Cupra form an FR
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This review is a bit odd in as much these cars are quite different, apples and oranges almost. Here's why I think this...
Golf is 4wd, Cupra is 2wd. Cupra is more closely matched to GTI with PP in this regard but has more power so it's not an even match in this case either.
Cupra 4wd is coming, this would be a better match for the Golf R. What will we see between them then I wonder? Probably not much if anything at all.
In my case I consider the Cupra to be the preferred car since I've spent more than I want to add up in getting mine to a similar spec. LSD was so worthwhile but a pricey addition, brakes weren't too cheap either. I bet the Cupra suspension is pretty capable from the factory. Cupra's had the lighter components when comparing a 2008 FR I had to a same year Cupra. For me the Cupra has everything I've added from the factory.
All these need is £500 on a map and I reckon it'll make the same power as my stage 2+ Pirelli.
With a bit of occasional track work a 2wd Cupra 280 plus a stage 1 map will be my next choice. I don't want or need 4wd either.
As an aside...after seeing an engine bay shot of the 280 I noticed how HUGE the airbox is. Should negate the need for an intake at circa 330bhp.
Oh, and it's several £000's cheaper which is nice. :laugh:
Clearly in the VAG group there's now a vehicle for all preferences. Its is a good thing that there are subtle differences as the finished products can be quite different from one another. We can all have what we want! :driver:
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Doubt there will be an AWD Cupra. I reckon if there is an R it'll be more in the vein of the Megane Trophy R. SEAT can't re-take the FWD 'ring record if their car has 4 driven wheels, can they?
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I raised an eyebrow, but that's what my dealer reckoned. Time will tell. :popcornsoda:
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I raised an eyebrow, but that's what my dealer reckoned. Time will tell. :popcornsoda:
Its not lol :happy2:
Dealers will tell you what you want to hear.
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Well another dealer said it will have a 7 speed DSG, too, but we all know that won't work! :laugh:
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I raised an eyebrow, but that's what my dealer reckoned. Time will tell. :popcornsoda:
Its not lol :happy2:
Dealers will tell you what you want to hear.
I didn't ask after a 4wd, he offered the info. When I change I shall want a fwd, told him that though.
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http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/87461/seat-eyes-renault-lap-record-with-lighter-leon-cupra
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there's alot of articles going around with pictures saying a 4wd test mule has been spotted... I took the photos in some of the articles lol and I know it isnt a 4wd test mule. the pictures were taken last year on the ST launch in Barcelona..
this is an example of the article
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/seat-leon-cupra-r-test-mule-spied
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So the crux of it is that the Golf R is a slightly better all-rounder, and the Seat is slightly more fun (and, imho better looking). £5k is a big difference tho - makes it very hard to recommend the R unless 4WD is an absolute must, and if that is the case the S3 is basically the same price, better looking (again, imo) and considered "more premium".
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http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/87461/seat-eyes-renault-lap-record-with-lighter-leon-cupra
Last paragraph says it all! Not sure why my dealer has it in their minds that 4wd is inevitable.
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I've ordered an R, can't wait. It is more expensive that the Leon but it does have a better spec to go with it too!
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but it does have a better spec to go with it too!
So whats yours got that Mine hasnt apart from 4wd and 20bhp?
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but it does have a better spec to go with it too!
So whats yours got that Mine hasnt apart from 4wd and 20bhp?
a VW badge
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:signLOL:
and ooooh :popcornsoda:
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but it does have a better spec to go with it too!
So whats yours got that Mine hasnt apart from 4wd and 20bhp?
a VW badge
:popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
Tbf it will hold its value more than the Cupra
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but it does have a better spec to go with it too!
So whats yours got that Mine hasnt apart from 4wd and 20bhp?
a VW badge
So has mine on most of the components under the bonnet :P
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but it does have a better spec to go with it too!
So whats yours got that Mine hasnt apart from 4wd and 20bhp?
a VW badge
:popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
Tbf it will hold its value more than the Cupra
until all these cheap lease R's go into used market at same time.........hopefully :wink:
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but it does have a better spec to go with it too!
So whats yours got that Mine hasnt apart from 4wd and 20bhp?
a VW badge
:popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda: :popcornsoda:
Tbf it will hold its value more than the Cupra
until all these cheap lease R's go into used market at same time.........hopefully :wink:
thats what I am holding out for ;)
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Except the cheap lease R thing has been plugged so don't all hold your breath.
Eddie :congrats:
I also (quick google ) make the price difference roughly 2.5K not 5? The residuals in a few years will wipe that difference and more out
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by the time lease cars come back, VW will probably have raised the list price which then bumps up the price of used cars.
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Bit of thread resurrection here since it was speculated that Seat would be releasing a 4wd Cupra.
Since this we have this to go on: http://www.seatcupra.net/index.php/2016/11/14/seat-confirms-new-leon-cupra-300-4wd/ (http://www.seatcupra.net/index.php/2016/11/14/seat-confirms-new-leon-cupra-300-4wd/)
I'll bet the price is favourable too. :popcornsoda:
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Saw this today - looks interesting.
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Hmmmmm, it's a bit like Red coke is the S3, diet coke is the Golf R and now we have the caffiene free Coke, Leon 4WD.
In other words, the same bloody thing, just with a little bit taken away from each one.
I really don't find myself getting excited by anything VAG these days. It's just an endless conveyor belt churning out samey products. Apparently there will be even more RS models being churned out by Audi soon. RS1, RS Q5, RS Q7, RS8, and on and on it goes. The cheapest of which will be the RS1, probably starting at £35K, easily £45K with the usual "must have for resale" options added. And an 'RS' Soft roader?! Not really sure why orange faced Essex mums need 500hp to drop little Timmy off to school with.
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Hmmmmm, it's a bit like Red coke is the S3, diet coke is the Golf R and now we have the caffiene free Coke, Leon 4WD.
In other words, the same bloody thing, just with a little bit taken away from each one.
I really don't find myself getting excited by anything VAG these days. It's just an endless conveyor belt churning out samey products. Apparently there will be even more RS models being churned out by Audi soon. RS1, RS Q5, RS Q7, RS8, and on and on it goes. The cheapest of which will be the RS1, probably starting at £35K, easily £45K with the usual "must have for resale" options added. And an 'RS' Soft roader?! Not really sure why orange faced Essex mums need 500hp to drop little Timmy off to school with.
For the most part I agree with this. It would be refreshing if the caffeine free option were £3-£4k cheaper. :laugh:
These model variants are a response to market demand, they think (and are probably correct) that they will sell these.
I hope that the Cupra turns up as it has in the past with the 4 pot Brembos, mechanical LSD, lightweight suspension components etc from the factory.
I personally think that fitting the Clubsport with the big single piston calipers rather than light weight 4 piston calipers was a bit of a missed opportunity to fit the parts that were more befitting. I know it didn't need them to do it's ring publicity and most owners won't notice or care but it serves as a reminder that it's a car for the collectors or a trophy (see what I did there :laugh:) for the driveway. Still not as focused as the Megan RS variants. Is it a car that's trying to look like something that it arguably isn't or is it simply a result of a marketing study??. Dedicated VW fans won't care and they will sell well, the S is sold out so there's the evidence.
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The Leon Cupra 280 has the optional "Sub8 Performance Pack" with the 4-pot Brembos, a pack with bucket seats and a pack with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres. The VAQ electronically-controlled limited slip differential is standard. Seems to be good. :smiley:
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Next years Leon Cupra will be 4wd too
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Hmmmmm, it's a bit like Red coke is the S3, diet coke is the Golf R and now we have the caffiene free Coke, Leon 4WD.
In other words, the same bloody thing, just with a little bit taken away from each one.
I really don't find myself getting excited by anything VAG these days. It's just an endless conveyor belt churning out samey products. Apparently there will be even more RS models being churned out by Audi soon. RS1, RS Q5, RS Q7, RS8, and on and on it goes. The cheapest of which will be the RS1, probably starting at £35K, easily £45K with the usual "must have for resale" options added. And an 'RS' Soft roader?! Not really sure why orange faced Essex mums need 500hp to drop little Timmy off to school with.
For the most part I agree with this. It would be refreshing if the caffeine free option were £3-£4k cheaper. :laugh:
These model variants are a response to market demand, they think (and are probably correct) that they will sell these.
I hope that the Cupra turns up as it has in the past with the 4 pot Brembos, mechanical LSD, lightweight suspension components etc from the factory.
I personally think that fitting the Clubsport with the big single piston calipers rather than light weight 4 piston calipers was a bit of a missed opportunity to fit the parts that were more befitting. I know it didn't need them to do it's ring publicity and most owners won't notice or care but it serves as a reminder that it's a car for the collectors or a trophy (see what I did there :laugh:) for the driveway. Still not as focused as the Megan RS variants. Is it a car that's trying to look like something that it arguably isn't or is it simply a result of a marketing study??. Dedicated VW fans won't care and they will sell well, the S is sold out so there's the evidence.
I think the S sold out immediately, just like the 911 R. This whole elitist availability limiting thing to keep the collectors happy winds enthusiasts up, but the Germans are expert at knowing their customers and car alchemy! They know Americans like value for money and stick up for their rights, which is why they get 10 year power train warranties, and they know English people hate complaining, which is why we get 3 year powertrain warranties. They also know the UK is happy to pay £50K for a base level TT-RS because of the badge, but Americans would laugh in the face of a dealer asking that much for a TT. They've been exploiting the markets like that for decades, but they're about to get a rocket up their capitalist arse soon with all the billions they've got to pay out :grin:
I hear you on the French hot hatch approach, but I think Clio Trophy owners got a huge shock when presented with a £3K bill for a pair of front dampers :grin: Sometimes basic is better :happy2:
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Hmmmmm, it's a bit like Red coke is the S3, diet coke is the Golf R and now we have the caffiene free Coke, Leon 4WD.
In other words, the same bloody thing, just with a little bit taken away from each one.
I really don't find myself getting excited by anything VAG these days. It's just an endless conveyor belt churning out samey products. Apparently there will be even more RS models being churned out by Audi soon. RS1, RS Q5, RS Q7, RS8, and on and on it goes. The cheapest of which will be the RS1, probably starting at £35K, easily £45K with the usual "must have for resale" options added. And an 'RS' Soft roader?! Not really sure why orange faced Essex mums need 500hp to drop little Timmy off to school with.
For the most part I agree with this. It would be refreshing if the caffeine free option were £3-£4k cheaper. :laugh:
These model variants are a response to market demand, they think (and are probably correct) that they will sell these.
I hope that the Cupra turns up as it has in the past with the 4 pot Brembos, mechanical LSD, lightweight suspension components etc from the factory.
I personally think that fitting the Clubsport with the big single piston calipers rather than light weight 4 piston calipers was a bit of a missed opportunity to fit the parts that were more befitting. I know it didn't need them to do it's ring publicity and most owners won't notice or care but it serves as a reminder that it's a car for the collectors or a trophy (see what I did there :laugh:) for the driveway. Still not as focused as the Megan RS variants. Is it a car that's trying to look like something that it arguably isn't or is it simply a result of a marketing study??. Dedicated VW fans won't care and they will sell well, the S is sold out so there's the evidence.
I think the S sold out immediately, just like the 911 R. This whole elitist availability limiting thing to keep the collectors happy winds enthusiasts up, but the Germans are expert at knowing their customers and car alchemy! They know Americans like value for money and stick up for their rights, which is why they get 10 year power train warranties, and they know English people hate complaining, which is why we get 3 year powertrain warranties. They also know the UK is happy to pay £50K for a base level TT-RS because of the badge, but Americans would laugh in the face of a dealer asking that much for a TT. They've been exploiting the markets like that for decades, but they're about to get a rocket up their capitalist arse soon with all the billions they've got to pay out :grin:
I hear you on the French hot hatch approach, but I think Clio Trophy owners got a huge shock when presented with a £3K bill for a pair of front dampers :grin: Sometimes basic is better :happy2:
Those Sachs dampers were best left to the 'must be original' brigade. Ohlins road & track or KW Clubsports probably a better option, and cheaper for a full set. A friend who has a 172 told me about those dampers, I nearly fell off my chair :stupid:
With you on the other points you made :happy2: :fighting:
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Hmmmmm, it's a bit like Red coke is the S3, diet coke is the Golf R and now we have the caffiene free Coke, Leon 4WD.
In other words, the same bloody thing, just with a little bit taken away from each one.
I really don't find myself getting excited by anything VAG these days. It's just an endless conveyor belt churning out samey products. Apparently there will be even more RS models being churned out by Audi soon. RS1, RS Q5, RS Q7, RS8, and on and on it goes. The cheapest of which will be the RS1, probably starting at £35K, easily £45K with the usual "must have for resale" options added. And an 'RS' Soft roader?! Not really sure why orange faced Essex mums need 500hp to drop little Timmy off to school with.
For the most part I agree with this. It would be refreshing if the caffeine free option were £3-£4k cheaper. :laugh:
These model variants are a response to market demand, they think (and are probably correct) that they will sell these.
I hope that the Cupra turns up as it has in the past with the 4 pot Brembos, mechanical LSD, lightweight suspension components etc from the factory.
I personally think that fitting the Clubsport with the big single piston calipers rather than light weight 4 piston calipers was a bit of a missed opportunity to fit the parts that were more befitting. I know it didn't need them to do it's ring publicity and most owners won't notice or care but it serves as a reminder that it's a car for the collectors or a trophy (see what I did there :laugh:) for the driveway. Still not as focused as the Megan RS variants. Is it a car that's trying to look like something that it arguably isn't or is it simply a result of a marketing study??. Dedicated VW fans won't care and they will sell well, the S is sold out so there's the evidence.
I think the S sold out immediately, just like the 911 R. This whole elitist availability limiting thing to keep the collectors happy winds enthusiasts up, but the Germans are expert at knowing their customers and car alchemy! They know Americans like value for money and stick up for their rights, which is why they get 10 year power train warranties, and they know English people hate complaining, which is why we get 3 year powertrain warranties. They also know the UK is happy to pay £50K for a base level TT-RS because of the badge, but Americans would laugh in the face of a dealer asking that much for a TT. They've been exploiting the markets like that for decades, but they're about to get a rocket up their capitalist arse soon with all the billions they've got to pay out :grin:
I hear you on the French hot hatch approach, but I think Clio Trophy owners got a huge shock when presented with a £3K bill for a pair of front dampers :grin: Sometimes basic is better :happy2:
Those Sachs dampers were best left to the 'must be original' brigade. Ohlins road & track or KW Clubsports probably a better option, and cheaper for a full set. A friend who has a 172 told me about those dampers, I nearly fell off my chair :stupid:
With you on the other points you made :happy2: :fighting:
Would love some Ohlins for my ED30, but they're a third of the car's value :surprised: Do they not make just the dampers anymore for use with the OEM springs?
Sorry to go OT :smiley: