MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Black9 on July 27, 2014, 08:32:00 pm
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Just had a bit of a disaster. Removing my wheels off my golf and onto wheel number 3 and whilst removing the wheels bolts I've managed to snap 2 of the heads off so now they're stuck in the wheel hub!!!
Got no idea how I managed to do this, 2 off the wheels came off fine and the 3rd one the bolts were seized in tight. This has never happened before... The wheels were fitted around a wk ago by a garage and today I was removing them in place of my Monzas. Could this be down to the garage fitting the bolts at a weird angle or down to me?? I was turning the bolts dead centre!!
How do I go about removing the bolts and how much am I looking at paying?
Thanks
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Go back to the garage, they've quite clearly tightened it up with an impact gun, or as you suggested cross threaded it in there and continued to tighten any way. Should be a simply enough job to drill and tap fingers crossed. I wouldn't want them doing it though that's for sure!
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In all the years I've worked on cars I've never snapped a wheel bolt. Even bolts that have required a section of scaffold to get them cracked off.
Upload a couple of pics.
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Sounds like they have been over tightened
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Yep the wheels were tightened with an impact gun. Never thought anything of it at the time...
Are use guys 100% certain it's down to the garage?? I don't want to accuse anyone without knowing for sure..
Not sure how to upload pics, sorry
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Yep the wheels were tightened with an impact gun. Never thought anything of it at the time...
Are use guys 100% certain it's down to the garage?? I don't want to accuse anyone without knowing for sure..
Not sure how to upload pics, sorry
open a account in photobucket then up load you pics then copy and paste the img in
If the garage were the last to touch them few days ago then i would say it sound like it
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I'll try upload pics tom via my iPhone & photo bucket??
Yep they were the last ones to put wheels on...
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What's wrong with using a windy gun? The best mechanic on TV uses one [Edd China] so it must be good enough. :rolleye:
Honestly though, I reckon you'll have no joy going back to the garage as they'll fob you of. Unless they actually snapped them tightening the bolts then you'll have a hard job convincing them they should be fixing the problem.
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I know the guy personally that fitted the bolts so I've asked him to come round this week to remove the wheels, broken bolts and existing bolts that are still fitted...
He says he should be able to remove the disc/caliper and wind them out. Not sure whether I should be paying Him or not!?
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You should've given him the wheel brace from the boot and asked him to take them off. After all, that's what you'd have to use in an emergency.
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I was trying to save time removing them myself, look where that got me :signLOL:
On a serious Note, he'll be removing the rest of the bolts including the snapped ones incase anything else snaps
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You should've given him the wheel brace from the boot and asked him to take them off. After all, that's what you'd have to use in an emergency.
+1 I'd never use a buzz gun, always use a torque wrench and keep it in the boot. Had work done in my old 106 a few years ago and I took it back to the garage and said how the f*ck am I meant to undo these bolts when they've been but gunned to 350nm not 60nm
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Surely the bolts are the strongest part as you don't want them snapping and the wheel falling off, and if they have snapped, what has that done to the threads in the hubs? it must have stretched them :driver:
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Surely the bolts are the strongest part as you don't want them snapping and the wheel falling off, and if they have snapped, what has that done to the threads in the hubs? it must have stretched them :driver:
Individually the bolts don't need to be the strongest part as there are 5 bolts sharing the load.
I agree with the above, never use an airgun to tighten up wheel bolts, for the sole reason that if you have a flat you won't be able to get them off at the roadside. Of course this doesn't apply if you're the best mechanic in the world :wink:
To the original point, weld another bolt to the thread of the snapped one and then loosen via the welded bolt. Much easier than removing calipers etc :happy2:
Good luck buddy
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All will be revealed Tom when he comes round to remove the bolts. I'll update then
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Any joy with the hulks tightening method? Did he loosen them
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Had two tyres done recently and had asked them to make sure the torque settings were 120Nm. Watched the guy zap them up with the airgun then apply the torque wrench which immediately went click so I asked him to back them off first and he wasn't terribly pleased but did it. Retorqued them myself when home.
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I had major issues with my 'main dealer serviced' vehicle.
I had to use an extension handle of about 5 feet in length and it took me 3 hours to remove the bolts. It transpires that the ends of the bolts come through the hub into an area where lots of crud collects. This corrodes/damages the threads.
Couple this with the approved VW method of servicing which dictates that it's not necessary to remove a wheel for anything other pad replacement under normal circumstances then this will be an issue. Even fluid replacement is done with wheels on.
Depending on your mileage and good fortune for puncture repairs it could be a very long time before your wheels are taken off.
All of my bolts, lockers included, were stretched and the threads very visibly distorted. They got replaced under warranty without question and Peter Cooper of Shirley (Southampton) were considering adding wheel bolt removal and re-insertion as a service task as they accepted that normal roadside replacement would not be possible and the bolts were effectively destroyed in the process of removal.
As an aside, before I bought S3 brakes I bought an M14x1.5 tap to run through the bolt holes to clear them out. The amount of corroded metal that came out was startling. New bolts went in nicely though.
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Update,
He came round yesterday and couldn't remove the bolts. All 3 wheels came off albeit with some hefty force...
The front wheels is still on & he's coming back round today with an electric gun to remove the bolts and take out the 2 broken ones. One thing I have noticed since he's fitted the wheels & bolts. When I'm driving I can hear a slight grinding / metallic scraping as if the bolts have went too far Into the hub and are scraping against something? Is this actually possible?
Happens more on full lock to the right whilst reversing (the front right is the side where the bolts are stuck)
Hopefully the bolts remove relatively easy, not sure whether I should be paying him to remove the bolts and broken bolts as most likely he's the cause of them being stuck and broken!! Makes it even worse that I know him and he's a nice guy :signLOL:
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Oh and thanks everyone for the advice.
Best forum I've used :happy2:
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Update,
He came round yesterday and couldn't remove the bolts. All 3 wheels came off albeit with some hefty force...
The front wheels is still on & he's coming back round today with an electric gun to remove the bolts and take out the 2 broken ones. One thing I have noticed since he's fitted the wheels & bolts. When I'm driving I can hear a slight grinding / metallic scraping as if the bolts have went too far Into the hub and are scraping against something? Is this actually possible?
Happens more on full lock to the right whilst reversing (the front right is the side where the bolts are stuck)
Hopefully the bolts remove relatively easy, not sure whether I should be paying him to remove the bolts and broken bolts as most likely he's the cause of them being stuck and broken!! Makes it even worse that I know him and he's a nice guy :signLOL:
Sounds like drive shaft mate or knack erred steering rack, what year is the gti as I've read before that the earlia model GTi's had a steering rack recall
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It's an early 2005 car. Driveshaft & rack did cross my mind but I was hoping I was wrong :innocent:
Any sure way to find out??
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Disc shield is a good shout. My rear one was doing the exact same thing
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If the wheel bolts won't come out with a breaker bar an electric gun will not shift them..Need a powerful air gun to shift them
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Bolts came off eventually with a bar but the 2 broken ones are still stuck inside the hub...
Taking it to the garage nxt wk to have them removed with some heat and possibly removing the disc & CALIPER..
On a side note, I can eventually send my VZ's back to BBS,
How's best to pack them. They will have the tyres still on!
Was thinking of sending them in 2's. Cardboard on the top, middle & bottom and then taped up nice and secure??
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IMO if sending the rims back you should remove the tyres before doing so.
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Bolts came off eventually with a bar but the 2 broken ones are still stuck inside the hub...
Taking it to the garage nxt wk to have them removed with some heat and possibly removing the disc & CALIPER..
On a side note, I can eventually send my VZ's back to BBS,
How's best to pack them. They will have the tyres still on!
Was thinking of sending them in 2's. Cardboard on the top, middle & bottom and then taped up nice and secure??
Are the bolts snapped in the front or babe careful with heat asthis can knacker the bearing with to much heat.As mentioned best remove the tyres before sending the wheels back
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I was going to remove the tyres but the company said to just send them back with tyres on. Must be so BBS can balance them to check if they are buckled. Which they clearly are :sad1:
Buying these wheels has been 1 issue after another.
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All 4 VZ's are off and the scraping noise I've mentioned is also gone :stupid:
Should have stayed OEM :sick: