MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: GTIjames on October 31, 2009, 12:40:28 pm
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Went to get new tyres fitted today and the chap who fitted them took a look at the exhaust for me as its been sounding different lately, and it turns out its blown at the flex flange bit.
Difficult to get a pic due to the location where it has blown but up near those 2 connecting rods the flexible metal part.
I have the Ed30 Milltek Resonated Turbo back exhaust which has been on the car just over a year.
has anyone had this happen before?
I believe it should be covered under the lifetime warranty they provide all their exhauts can any else confirm this?
Thanks
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its a known fault with them :ashamed: just give em a call they should replace it free
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thats not so good, anyhow thanks for your help :happy2:
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strange as u have the engine mounts to stop the exhaust from moving :confused:
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As above, sadly this is a common failure of the Milltek, possibly because they use too shorter flexi. Instead of increasing the size of the flexi they now include a dogbone bush with the downpipe.
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You should be covered but afaik the downpipe and cat are only covered for 2 years whilst the catback has a lifetime warranty.
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I think the cat is covered by the two years but the pipework, which would include the dp flexi should be ok.
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mine did it and milltek did not replace it . and will never buy a miltek ever again
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I cant believe they wouldn 't replace a exhaust with a known fault after only a year. That would be a pretty poor show, but lets wait and see if they do first. :happy2:
Have you contacted them yet James. :happy2:
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Spoke to Milltek this morning and they said speak to company who fitted it to start the warranty claim process.
Just spoke to John Mitchell of JMR in Littlehampton who fitted it and got it booked in for them to have a look.
Will go from there won't be too happy if not covered as it has been on just over a year so whatever is the issue it should be covered by either their lifetime warranty or the 2year warranty
Saw Robin at Goodwood on Sunday who said their customer service / aftersales is excellent so fingures crossed they get mine fixed.
Thanks for all your help
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Saw Robin at Goodwood on Sunday who said their customer service / aftersales is excellent so fingures crossed they get mine fixed.
i bet he did! haha! ;)
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Saw Robin at Goodwood on Sunday who said their customer service / aftersales is excellent so fingures crossed they get mine fixed.
i bet he did! haha! ;)
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Saw Robin at Goodwood on Sunday who said their customer service / aftersales is excellent so fingures crossed they get mine fixed.
i bet he did! haha! ;)
....I'm confident that if you aren't taking the piss and are nice to them they'll play fair and be nice to you. They occasionally make mistakes and can be inefficient, but so can most companies. I can only speak from my own direct experience of Milltek over the last 4 years.
SteveP was very dissatisfied with Milltek but they sorted it all out to achieve a happy result AFAIK.
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I was gonna get milltek, but will wait to see the outcome of this first, Must be warranty surely!
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Saw Robin at Goodwood on Sunday who said their customer service / aftersales is excellent so fingures crossed they get mine fixed.
i bet he did! haha! ;)
....I'm confident that if you aren't taking the piss and are nice to them they'll play fair and be nice to you. They occasionally make mistakes and can be inefficient, but so can most companies. I can only speak from my own direct experience of Milltek over the last 4 years.
SteveP was very dissatisfied with Milltek but they sorted it all out to achieve a happy result AFAIK.
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^ Another blown exhaust? ^
Well, she is grinning for some reason. :evilgrin:
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haha good one! :congrats:
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Good news on the miltek side of things, took the car in this morning and they looked at it and confirmed the flexi-metal part has blown well and truly - was soot around it where the gasses had been escaping.
Miltek had already sent a replacement down pipe which was due for delivery in the morning but turned up 3.30pm so bit of a wait but at least it came. Not fitted just yet due to a new lambada sensor been required as the original sensor was damaged but all set for friday now.
Pleased with the service at John Mitchell Racing in Littlehampton knows his stuff and all done on warranty and also with Miltek for having a replacement pipe all ready :drinking:
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Nice one. :drinking:
Waits for Robin to arrive and start waxing lyrical. :laugh:
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^^^^
You know me well, TC :smiley:
But I will say that it's good to read a positive story instead of just the complaints.
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One aspect does worry me though.................
Why are these flexi's failing? Inferior design or manufacturing (incorrect alignment causing undue stresses)? Poor engine mounts could also be a cause, as could incorrect fitting.
I presume the majority of after market exhausts is really a kit of parts (flexi's, Flanges, lambda probe bosses etc), apart from the box design and mandrel bends.
That is 2 milly flexi's that have failed in recent times that I know off.
Whichever way not good. But hats off to Miily for their after sales care. Good job really.
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I believe its part due to the excessive movement of the engine on the 2.0 tfsi, even with the full set of vf engine mounts I have blown mine, WhiteGti blew his APR in a similar way so its not isolated to one manufacturer.
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If your including mine in your calculations Mr Balloon then we know mine was caused by it being incorrectly fitted and nothing to do with the quality of the system (just wanted to clear that up before Robin jumps all over it) :wink: :laugh: :laugh:
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how the hell do u fit it wrong :confused:
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how the hell do u fit it wrong :confused:
put it on wrong way round :signLOL:
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If your including mine in your calculations Mr Balloon then we know mine was caused by it being incorrectly fitted and nothing to do with the quality of the system (just wanted to clear that up before Robin jumps all over it) :wink: :laugh: :laugh:
That's why I mentioned the incorrect fit. I am not slating Miily, just trying to find out if there is a common link, and this is a natural process that we have go through at work on cases of similar failure.. As i said hats off the Milly for their after sales service.
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how the hell do u fit it wrong :confused:
put it on wrong way round :signLOL:
Steve had a twin 80mm Jet Turbo inlet exhaust........................... It would seem the support that attaches to the subframe is handed? Can't be much in it, as it would affect alignment further down the exhaust, and I would expect the flexi to be able to cope.
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Even with suspended exhaust hangers and engine mounts etc, these various stainless steel exhaust systems are subjected to a surprising amount of movement and expansion due to heat. Correct fitment is essential. Remapped cars shoving out lots of power don't help either but they are what the exhausts are designed for. Flexi's should be able to cope, but..
It's also quite difficult to guarantee that the various fitters, even when officially approved, always get it right. I'm not offering excuses but just saying things as I understand them to be.
Milltek have a very high profile and so it's always very public when things go wrong. Yes, I personally favour Milltek based purely on long direct experience, but I never trash the other well-known exhaust manufacturers. I have great respect for Blueflame and APR products for example - Just no direct experience of them.
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My APR did a similar thing!
Just reminded myself that you have the APR RSC system.
Where exactly was it blown?
Did you have to replace it and did Awesome change it under warranty?
It's a worry other's have blown here including Milltek.
I assume you could here it blowing on tick over?
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Went to get new tyres fitted today and the chap who fitted them took a look at the exhaust for me as its been sounding different lately, and it turns out its blown at the flex flange bit.
Difficult to get a pic due to the location where it has blown but up near those 2 connecting rods the flexible metal part.
I have the Ed30 Milltek Resonated Turbo back exhaust which has been on the car just over a year.
has anyone had this happen before?
I believe it should be covered under the lifetime warranty they provide all their exhauts can any else confirm this?
Thanks
Just to highlight a point.........
Modifications in many not all cases are not as well developed as OEM fit items (time and/or money dictates this fact) Dave B and I were talking about aircraft Mods this week, if we fit a Modification, we have to draw up an inspection regime, and usually this takes the form of more frequent and detailed examinations, until we get enough data to form a regime that will mitigate against failure.
The worrying aspect of this fault, and again hats off to Milltek for their response, is the age of the exhaust, and time to failure.
We can surmise poor fit, poor quality etc. But it just illustrates that an increased inspection regime is required. Mods, in most cases are not just fit and forget. Mods also have a cumulative effect, by that I mean that one set of Mods will be more comfortable together, than another. Eg a hard suspensioned car will transfer loading to other areas, or a set of engine mounts will aid the exhaust, and restrict engine movement and therefore give the flexi etc and easier time.
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I have the Ed30 Milltek Resonated Turbo back exhaust which has been on the car just over a year.
Just to highlight a point.........
Modifications in many not all cases are not as well developed as OEM fit items (time and/or money dictates this fact) Dave B and I were talking about aircraft Mods this week, if we fit a Modification, we have to draw up an inspection regime, and usually this takes the form of more frequent and detailed examinations, until we get enough data to form a regime that will mitigate against failure.
The worrying aspect of this fault, and again hats off to Milltek for their response, is the age of the exhaust, and time to failure.
We can surmise poor fit, poor quality etc. But it just illustrates that an increased inspection regime is required. Mods, in most cases are not just fit and forget. Mods also have a cumulative effect, by that I mean that one set of Mods will be more comfortable together, than another. Eg a hard suspensioned car will transfer loading to other areas, or a set of engine mounts will aid the exhaust, and restrict engine movement and therefore give the flexi etc and easier time.
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....Absolutely spot on, Dave!
This is why Milltek will often honour their warranty beyond their formal period and also why cars get invited to their works at Derby for full inspection and analysis before repair/replacement as appropriate. Of course each case is individual and Milltek aren't going to put up with someone just trying to take advantage - Nor should they.
Milltek are continually keen to monitor their products and make improvements - My own car is testament to that process.
For those who don't already know, I don't work for Milltek - They support my car and I support their efforts and we have become good friends.
Dave's advice is spot on - Whether on a ramp at my VW dealer's, VWR, JKM, or anywhere else, I always take the opportunity to check the whole underside of my car and ask the guys to do so with their more experienced eye. We'd all prefer our mods to be fit'n forget but it's again as the balloonist says, it's the dynamic of the whole package.
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PG i may have missed it somewhere but which company fitted it wrong. :chicken:
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My APR did a similar thing!
Just reminded myself that you have the APR RSC system.
Where exactly was it blown?
Did you have to replace it and did Awesome change it under warranty?
It's a worry other's have blown here including Milltek.
I assume you could here it blowing on tick over?
It was blowing just after the flexi, where the two sections bolt together. I didn't get it done at Awesome because I'm located in Berkshire/Surrey. I got it done at Tuningwerkes. They sorted it all out for me yep.
Could not hear it blowing nope. The only way I found out was because my engine check light came on, with the fault code reading the post cat lambda probe. So we had a look at the car up on the ramps and could see a darkened patch around the bolt.
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is it all sorted now? fitted ok again?
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well its all fixed now - pic of offending pipe with blown flexi metal bit
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normal boost has been resumed, my gauge was fluttering at idal and in 4th gear pulls i was spiking then dropping right down and then spiking again this has now has become stable - cant believe what a detrimental effect a blown exhaaust has on performance - only downside is how quiet the car is now :sad1:
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has anyone read the milltek warrenty statement..
Q. Is my exhaust system covered by a guarantee or warranty?
A. As long as you are the original purchaser, cat-back exhaust systems are covered by a lifetime anti-corrosion and manufacturing defect warranty and hi-flow sports catalysts and downpipes are covered by a 2 year or 80,000km warranty. We do not cover against any modifications made to our product after it has left our factory and also not for unusual use of the parts - for example, the use of Nitrous Oxide (NOS), damage caused by going over a speed bump too fast etc. Our warranties are offered on the understanding that the cars power maybe increased by up to 33% from it's original specification. Modifications made to increase the power beyond this will render the warranty void.
We pride ourselves on our after-sales support and customer service and will look into each case on an individual basis.
All warranty cases should be dealt with by the Milltek appointed distributor from whom you purchased the system. However, if you are dissatisfied with the service of your distributor in response to your claim, you can contact us directly by emailing us at techsupport@millteksport.com.
Please note: Milltek Sport hi-flow sports catalysts are manufactured from the highest quality materials and built with maximum performance and longevity in mind. However, they are designed to work specifically in conjunction with other Milltek Sport products and should not be used on their own (with the OEM exhaust system) or with other manufacturers exhaust systems. If the Milltek catalysts are fitted with non-Milltek exhaust systems, we are unable to provide any guarantee regarding noise quality, fit, performance or warranty against their operation.
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has anyone read the milltek warrenty statement..
....Yes :happy2:
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has anyone read the milltek warrenty statement..
Have now.
There is no getting away from the fact that the flexi is to short - compare it to the OEM.
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has anyone read the milltek warrenty statement..
Have now.
There is no getting away from the fact that the flexi is to short - compare it to the OEM.
blueflame flexi and oem as you say is much longer.
The shorter flexi on the milltek does appear to be its weak point
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My exhaust has started blowing now, I just hope its just a leaking joint were its forced itself apart! :scared:
Im getting it checked out this week!
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My exhaust has started blowing now, I just hope its just a leaking joint were its forced itself apart! :scared:
Im getting it checked out this week!
Nooooooooooo! Hope it is not the flexi going. If it is, it may persuade Milltek to take a look at their design.
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My exhaust has started blowing now, I just hope its just a leaking joint were its forced itself apart! :scared:
Im getting it checked out this week!
Nooooooooooo! Hope it is not the flexi going. If it is, it may persuade Milltek to take a look at their design.
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Yeah I hope its just blown itself apart at a joint as its only been on the car since February! The joints were tacked when we put it on but you never know it may have come apart! :scared: