MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Bennz on August 15, 2014, 08:32:30 am
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I saw on other forums people discussing how to turn the half circle brake lights to full circle. Some suggested a wire connection between bulbs but then they got error message.
Is there a way ( beside upgrading to LED or other forms ) to turn the half circle brake lights to full ? Not after quad brake lights . Only full circle on outside lights
And I was also hoping to see if I can change the fog light bulb with a LED one without any mods? Thanks
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I read about this a few years ago, I think there may be an option in VCDS where you can turn off picking up the error for a bulb out on the rear lights.
Or i think there may be a way to do it with using a resistor.
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could be a nice mod, but when you do it, just stand at the back with the indicators on with the brake pedal pressed, the indicators will be really hard to see. could turn out to be more like a hazard. it'll be similar to the audi a3,
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I would be keen to know the way to do it . I can understand the way it masks the indicator but I would be driving with brakes on for a long time while indicating.
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Iv done this mod when I did my quad rear conversion. It's quite easy to do by bridging the rear bulb holder. An error code will come up if using filament bulbs as the current draw is over limits so you need to use led bulbs that draw less current. If you don't turn off bulb out warning in VAGCOM a light out error will occur - when I did it I ran another curcuit for the missing bulbs so I have bulb out warnings and full circle lights. I'll find the link I put on YouTube
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All the links here - http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,77309.0.html
I'll upload how to rewire the rear bulbs holders if you want?
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Thanks for your response . Which LED bulb did you use? Does fit in without any mod? Thanks
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Got my led rear bulbs from bold sport - error free and working fine for nearly a year :happy2:
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Could you be kind and give me the spec of it ? I'm outside of UK so probably need to shop around for it :) thank you
And would be great if you share the wiring part for the bulbs. Does it change the lights when the headlight or fog lights is on and the brake is pressed ?
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Could you be kind and give me the spec of it ? I'm outside of UK so probably need to shop around for it :) thank you
And would be great if you share the wiring part for the bulbs. Does it change the lights when the headlight or fog lights is on and the brake is pressed ?
Bold-sport.com and search for mk5 golf rear led and it'll come up. They post worldwide.
When I brake the whole circle lights up. I'll upload when I'm back from work how I wired up the rears to work
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Isn't this similar to the Skyline mod people do with the Valeo lights? Keeping my eye on this thread as I think it'd be cool as well.
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I wanted the skyline mod but wanted to keep the ed30 dark rear lense as I prefer it. The link to the how to guide is how I went about it - any help or question ask away :happy2:
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Found the LEDs, so do I need 4 of them to replace the existing brake lights as well? If using the LED bulb and the normal
Bulb would the color be different ?
Is the standard brake bulb ( 08 GTI ) is single or dual filament ?
Appreciate if you can do a how to to get full circle on the outer lights only when using the LED bulbs :)
I was also thinking to replace the front parking lights with LED , plug and play without error. Saw one on the bold sport website but are there other options?
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You will need four in total for the rear lights. Using one filament and one led looks awful as not same colour. If you are going to code out the bulb out warning that's all you'll need but if you want to keep the bulb out feature you will need 2 more LED bulbs. They don't have to be the boldsport ones as they are a bit expensive - just make sure they have resistors built in so they won't come up with a bulb out error. You'll also need two bulb holders for them and a run of cable. I didn't get the chance to upload last night how I rewired it but will try tonight
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So you mean if I don't any to make any change to the codes I need 4 LED lights in total ? Otherwise with two LED bulbs I will get a warning when I turn the headlights ?
Which bulb holders do I need?
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No you will need 6 bulbs in total to keep the bulb out and the holders. You'll need to find bulb holders for the brake light bulbs, I found them on eBay
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Seems like too much money to spend . Isn't there a way to program the controller to light up two bulbs at once for the brakes ?
Would be great if you could share photos and description of what you did on yours :)
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Seems like too much money to spend . Isn't there a way to program the controller to light up two bulbs at once for the brakes ?
Would be great if you could share photos and description of what you did on yours :)
He did, it's on page 1, 6th post down.
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That mod is for all 4 lights. I PM'd him so hopefully he can help :)
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all you need is 2 pieces of cable, 4 scotch locks, take the wiring plug out of rear lights on each side, crimp piece of wire with scotch locks between terminals 2 & 3, connect plugs to lights, voila
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You would get error with above ...
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you will need to turn off cold lamp diagnosis with vcds
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Well that's what I don't want to do . Otherwise I wouldn't have posted here ;)
I want to try the two LED bulbs or even with the coding only ( maybe via a dealer as I don't have VCDS )
It seems US models ( or some ) have the full circle brakes . So could be mixture of codes and the wiring . I wait to hear back from the kind gent on here first
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Full circle brake lights
mod 09 (cent. elec.)
coding
long coding
byte 3
X bit 7 "Rear Lights" (1=Back Light/Brake light dimmed / 0=Back Light dimmed)
transfer coding - close -
Has anyone tried this ? I don't have VCDS so can't do it myself .
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Full circle brake lights
mod 09 (cent. elec.)
coding
long coding
byte 3
X bit 7 "Rear Lights" (1=Back Light/Brake light dimmed / 0=Back Light dimmed)
transfer coding - close -
Has anyone tried this ? I don't have VCDS so can't do it myself .
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Apparently that only works on US cars. I looked for it once and wasnt there :(
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Ohhhh ... So the only way is to get 4 of same kind LED bulbs . Wire the two bulbs connector in brake circle and hope for the best to not get error ?
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Method is as above for re wiring, to my understanding my car could not be simply coded to allow this hence why the re wire was needed. To stop light out warning (if not wanting to code) I ran cables from the unused side light circuit and installed bulb holders in the passenger side boot pocket (behind where the first aid kit and warning triangle live) connected error free LED's (after checking how hot they ran when on for a while - the cheap ones use a big resistor that really gets hot so be careful) then it's all good. Car thinks it's got all it bulbs - well it has, just relocated. My set up has quad lights, quad brake lights and quad indicators with no errors but you can pick and choose which you like. All the wire runs needed are in the how to links I posted but you'll need to watch all of them right through cause I can't remember which part it's on. I will edit the re wire now and upload. Sorry for late reply - I thought you were trolling me at first cause you kept asking the same thing
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Thanks for the details :) and sorry I wasn't trolling you , I was confused
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Just uploading now mate, saying its got 1 hour left!? The video is only 9mins long!! :fighting:
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How I re wired for full circle brakes without bulb out warning -
If you found it useful don't be afraid to press the thank you button here or like on YouTube - it is appreciated :drinking:
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How I re wired for full circle brakes without bulb out warning -
If you found it useful don't be afraid to press the thank you button here or like on YouTube - it is appreciated :drinking:
Hi mate just to be clear, if I just wanted full circle brake light on the outer lights, is it just the mod with the red wire that needs doing?
Cheers
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If only full circle brake light yes only the red wire but you will get a bulb out warning light if you don't make the bulb holder extention thingy up.
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Right get you now.
Great vids btw, :congrats:
How long does it take you to do a full conversion like that?
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Just the full circle and bulb holder run approx 3 hours - the whole lot I kinda stopped counting :signLOL:
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Should have said - before starting this check that the LEDs you've bought don't throw up bulb out warnings. Iv tried a few eBay special that claim error free but ain't
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Just the full circle and bulb holder run approx 3 hours - the whole lot I kinda stopped counting :signLOL:
Haha fair enough mate!
Should have said - before starting this check that the LEDs you've bought don't throw up bulb out warnings. Iv tried a few eBay special that claim error free but ain't
If you do the mod with regular bulbs will it still throw up an error?
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When I was testing I found that putting two filament bulbs in the brake circuit drew too much power and popped fuses when the extra current for braking was applied. By using LEDs they draw less power so won't blow fuses.
I didn't want to use normal filament bulbs in the extention loom as they get very hot when on and as the loom is run into a cavity I was worried about heat/fire problems
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Thanks a lot :)
I wonder if using some form of resistor between the second bulb would eliminate the extension mod requirement.
What I don't fully get is why it throws light warning if two bulbs are the same (LED) and they draw the same current at once ? If it because the LED uses less amp compared to the filament bulb?
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Thanks a lot :)
I wonder if using some form of resistor between the second bulb would eliminate the extension mod requirement.
What I don't fully get is why it throws light warning if two bulbs are the same (LED) and they draw the same current at once ? If it because the LED uses less amp compared to the filament bulb?
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When researching this I tried all sorts of resistors and things but each time they got too hot for my liking - one set of designed for purpose "error out plug in kit" got so hot I burnt my fingers when testing it. The extention mod was the safest and easiest way I could think of accomplishing what I wanted to do. It took me a fair amount of time and trial and error to come up with this but if it can be improved that's cool.
Two LEDs in line isn't what causes the error light. I don't think you are understanding how the circuit has changed properly. When the pin is cut in the rear bulb holder you have created an open circuit that the car sees as a failed bulb. This means that, if you only do the red wire then connect two LEDs in the rear bulb holders and power on the car will be able to power the rear side lights and brakes as that curcuit is closed but when it tries to feed power to the pin we has cut to do this mod it will fail as the curcuit goes nowhere. This will throw a bulb out and is why a resistor/extention or something is needed.
Hope that helps you understand better
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Seems to be a bit of interest in this. I'm happy to do this for anyone interested but please be aware that I am not an electrical engineer or anything like that so I cannot accept responsibility if you choose to use modified rear bulb holders and it causes damage to your car etc. etc.
I'm thinking I'll take on 5 "orders(?)" at a time and for the initial batch will only be doing the full circle brake light mod with or without the wiring for the normal light relocate. First 5 people in I will do it for £25 (plus PayPal fees) which will include postage back to you (UK only!)
What you will need -
- Total of 4 Error free brake light LED's - Iv only ever used the BoldSport ones and had no issue but I cannot supply them - This option will need you to find someone to turn off the bulb out warning feature with Vagcom, I cannot help here as coding scares me!
- Two good quality bulb holders, some cable and 2 extra Error Free LED's if you want to keep the bulb out warning feature. You will need to put these bulb holders in the passenger side (UK car) boot recess and run one of them to the drivers side rear lens area and one to the passenger side rear lens area. Make sure you mark positive and negative.
- Remove your rear lenses, take off the bulb holders and mark the side that is furthest away from the number plate (the side that lights up brighter when braking.) This way I will know without doubt which side is the brake light circuit.
- Safely package and post your standard bulb holders to me
What you'll get back
- Modified rear bulb holder that will illuminate the full circle when the brake is applied - You need to get the bulbs sorted - DO NOT USE THE STARDARD FILAMENT TYPE AS THEY DRAW TOO MUCH CURRENT AND WILL BLOW FUSES!!!!!!!!
- Either plug and play modified unit - this will throw up a bulb out fault unless this is turned off somehow by Vagcom or a modified unit that you will connect to the bulb relocate you have installed in the passenger side boot recess and run the appropriate cables to connect to. AGAIN ONLY USE LED BULBS AS THE FILAMENT TYPE GETS REALLY HOT AND IN THE RECESS I HAVE MENTIONED COULD BE A HAZARD IF USED FOR PROLONGED PERIODS. Let me know which one you would like - both the same price for first 5 people
PM me if interested.....
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I would be keen to know the way to do it . I can understand the way it masks the indicator but I would be driving with brakes on for a long time while indicating.
I get what your saying mate, but only takes a moment for someone to run into the back of you, don't mean to offend or dis the thread but where would anyone stand if it did happen, at a guess i'd think it could void your insurance.
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I would be keen to know the way to do it . I can understand the way it masks the indicator but I would be driving with brakes on for a long time while indicating.
I get what your saying mate, but only takes a moment for someone to run into the back of you, don't mean to offend or dis the thread but where would anyone stand if it did happen, at a guess i'd think it could void your insurance.
See where your comming from but the indicator is as visable as its always been when brake lights are on - I'll upload a video when I have a moment to prove it. As far as insurance is concerned you would definately need to tell them, just like you would when any mod is done
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Would disabling the bulb warning only be applied to brake lights or the entire lights?
I couldn't find the bulb holders on eBay. I saw Ecstuning have the OEM for $10 each but wondered if there is cheaper one.
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I think it would apply to all bulbs but not sure.
For the bulb holder relocate I used something like this - http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=271135669108
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Does anyone know if it's possible to disable specific bulb check warning or if you disable it , it will disable the entire monitoring and warning system ?
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