MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: Poverty on November 01, 2009, 01:20:09 pm
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Hello, am hoping some people here can educate me on brakes.
Basically I need a new set of pads and discs, and have been looking at uprated discs. There are several companies who offer uprated discs, but Im confused as to which one would suite me best.
Surely grooved and drilled should be better than just grooved? But some people say that drilled discs will crack?
I just need a set of discs that will work as well as OEM when cold, and better when hot. Has anyone got any knowledge on this.
The discs im looking at are tarox ones. They sell 3 different types of discs but there is no info as to which disc is designed to do what, or which disc is best suited for what application. Also as these are heat treated discs do I need to stick with tarox pads or would some ferodo ds2500 be fine with them?
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I have tarox strada pads, but would rate the DS2500s as better IMO.
I have heard that the G88 discs are very good indeed, but have read they are particularily nasty to brake pads which would make sense when you see the amount of grooves. Id say absolutley no chance of the pads glazing with heat on those discs though.
what are the prices of them.
would also be good to know the weights of them in comparison to the OEM discs as well
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Drilled discs are purely for weight saving and looks. They will crack if you use them wrong.
Those G88s chew pads, I've had a set. ATE Powerdiscs FTW.
You can use any pad, just bed them in right.
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I have tarox strada pads, but would rate the DS2500s as better IMO.
I have heard that the G88 discs are very good indeed, but have read they are particularily nasty to brake pads which would make sense when you see the amount of grooves. Id say absolutley no chance of the pads glazing with heat on those discs though.
what are the prices of them.
would also be good to know the weights of them in comparison to the OEM discs as well
Apparently lighter than the oem cupra 345x30mm brakes but no idea by how much. Price for set on the front for the cupra is 280 pounds, for the gti and fr its 240 pounds. There are for of us over on SCN who want some so will try and negotiate some money off.
Good to hear that the G88's are good, not too good to hear that they eat pads as the stock ones have only lasted me 9 months and thats without even a trackday :rolleye:
Gotta pay to play though :driver:Drilled discs are purely for weight saving and looks. They will crack if you use them wrong.
Those G88s chew pads, I've had a set. ATE Powerdiscs FTW.
You can use any pad, just bed them in right.
Pads go much much quicker than oem with the g88s?
ATE powerdiscs? Tell me more :party:
Also have found this from my research
High Performance Brake Discs
The demanding driver can soon find the limits of a standard braking system. When brakes get hot the pads give off a gas, this gas then gets stuck between the pad and disc and will push the pad off of the disc stopping your brakes working. This effect is called brake fade. Fitting grooved or drilled discs dispels the gases and stops this happening. There are also further advantages of fitting performance discs: A cross drilled disc will stay cooler because the air will flow through the holes in the disc, this in turn will keep the pads cooler and they won't give off as much gas. A grooved disc will de-glaze the pads if the pads are overheated. If you combine grooving and drilling on the same disc you will get the best of both worlds - Maximum gas dispersion, maximum cooling and pad deglazing.
Porsche, MB and Audi sell cars with drilled oem discs, apparently, if discs are drilled in a special way they wont crack.
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the gas will also be expelled through the grooves though.
ive also seen plenty of pics with audi drilled discs with cracks in them
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It isn't the drilling technique, the decent brakes (Porsche etc) are forged and not cast metal, so its properties are much better.
Drilled means they heat up and cool down quicker, as there's less mass, that's why the crack. RS4 discs are a bugger for cracking.
ATE Powerdiscs (http://www.ate-brakes.com/generator/www/com/en/ate/ate/themes/10_products/60_high_performance/10_powerdisc/productinfo_powerdisc_en.html)
Heat in brakes is a good thing, so long as it is all matched - you want the right pad for your temp range. A set of DS2500s, or even better, Pagid blues on those ATE discs and you're golden.
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Hmm...interesting.
Out of curiosity, what other brakes are available that will fit the mk5 and are forged? Or would they have to be custom jobs?
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Hmm...interesting.
Out of curiosity, what other brakes are available that will fit the mk5 and are forged? Or would they have to be custom jobs?
Havent seen any forged discs yet myself
It isn't the drilling technique, the decent brakes (Porsche etc) are forged and not cast metal, so its properties are much better.
Drilled means they heat up and cool down quicker, as there's less mass, that's why the crack.
ATE Powerdiscs (http://www.ate-brakes.com/generator/www/com/en/ate/ate/themes/10_products/60_high_performance/10_powerdisc/productinfo_powerdisc_en.html)
Like the look of that, they also do two piece discs which should be considerably lighter than oem.
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Forged = mega money, that's why Porsche discs make people cry. I'm not sure if any are available for the MKV.
Grooved cast discs are perfectly fine, it only needs a few cuts to shift gases. Alcon, AP and some others have all moved to cresents. Look at discs on race cars and you'll see what works in the real world, not the "tuners".
The more grooves you have, the more wear on the pad and more noise given off them.
ATE's 2 piece discs aren't there for the MKV yet. There are some Zimmerman (http://www.otto-zimmermann.de/index.php5?Itemid=122) versions though (again highly regarded). Note the use of an aluminium 'bell' and the disc on pins to allow expansion. I know they're drilled, but there's big gaps between holes, I'd be buying these if your budget stretches because of the 2 piece benefits and chance your arm on the cracking. ECP sell these and have a great warranty policy...so hopefully you'd be ok if they did. ATE if not.
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Forged = mega money, that's why Porsche discs make people cry. I'm not sure if any are available for the MKV.
Grooved cast discs are perfectly fine, it only needs a few cuts to shift gases. Alcon, AP and some others have all moved to cresents. Look at discs on race cars and you'll see what works in the real world, not the "tuners".
The more grooves you have, the more wear on the pad and more noise given off them.
ATE's 2 piece discs aren't there for the MKV yet. There are some Zimmerman (http://www.otto-zimmermann.de/index.php5?Itemid=122) versions though (again highly regarded). Note the use of an aluminium 'bell' and the disc on pins to allow expansion. I know they're drilled, but there's big gaps between holes, I'd be buying these if your budget stretches because of the 2 piece benefits and chance your arm on the cracking. ECP sell these and have a great warranty policy...so hopefully you'd be ok if they did. ATE if not.
Thanks you have been super helpful :happy2:
Those zimmermans are drilled though? Presume because of their special construction they are unlikely to crack hence the holes? :ashamed:
Any idea where I can get zimmermans from?
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I might have edited after you read.. sorry. I added:
"I know they're drilled, but there's big gaps between holes, I'd be buying these if your budget stretches because of the 2 piece benefits and chance your arm on the cracking. ECP (Euro Car Parts) sell these and have a great warranty policy...so hopefully you'd be ok if they did"
Mike.
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DaveB1970 on here has been very helpful on the disc front :happy2:
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DaveB1970 on here has been very helpful on the disc front :happy2:
any links? What discs are you going for?
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DaveB1970 on here has been very helpful on the disc front :happy2:
any links? What discs are you going for?
Either oem sent to badger5 for grooving or daveyB for drilling or discs supplied by daveyb drilled
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DaveB1970 on here has been very helpful on the disc front :happy2:
any links? What discs are you going for?
Either oem sent to badger5 for grooving or daveyB for drilling or discs supplied by daveyb drilled
Are the daveyb ones OEM?
I might have edited after you read.. sorry. I added:
"I know they're drilled, but there's big gaps between holes, I'd be buying these if your budget stretches because of the 2 piece benefits and chance your arm on the cracking. ECP (Euro Car Parts) sell these and have a great warranty policy...so hopefully you'd be ok if they did"
Mike.
Sadly they dont have performance discs listed for the cupra. Need 345x30mm ones. Think I will send ATE an zimmerman an email and see if they make any discs that size.
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I'm sure I've seen a set of Zimmermann 345s, I'd call/email and ask.
Otherwsie, lots of big Audis use the same type of disc and there may be a crossover. DaveB1970 is your man to ask.
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Awright chaps,
The great drilled/grooved debate will rage on for ever.
I can have any discs drilled, when it comes to solid lumps of cast iron then as opposed to the Mk4 R32 disc which was semi floating and a patented design and lightweight, the disc is in reality nothing special.
I use either SBS or Bremtech aftermarket discs which have a good carbon content, they are cast in the UK which is the home of foundry ISO standards so good quality material is assured.
Discs very often are neglected, either electro nickel plating when new or powder coating the exposed surfaces should eliminate rust which can cause hot spots, which then causes problems with pads which in turn causes problems with discs and the circle of crap braking continues.
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Drilled look better, for track days better than plain - provide a gas path so fast road/track
Grooved ultimately better on track, can also act as a min thickness indicator when milled correctly - dont underestimate how noisy they are
There are interesting new styles such as J-hook and eliptical. AP racing are really revved up about these new designs apparently especially J hook.
My R32 discs are drilled as the R32 disc just isn't a track disc, its thickness would allow some favourable heat build up for a couple of laps better treat it as a fast street/occasional track day disc and drill it accordingly.
Its important that any CNC drilling program is well though out and the pillars internally are avoided, on a straight vane disc, invariably this leads to a curved pattern which is what I ended up with on mine which are in addition painted brembo grey around and up the bell and on the edge to prevent corrosion, they're also etch primed under the powder coat.
Its also imperative that the drilled holes are machine countersunk, ideally with a curved cutter this should eliminate cracking but a few cracks are acceptable.
Its just a different program to mill some grooves as opposed to drilling.
More so than ever I wouldn't be hung up over OEM discs on this particular disc or model save your cash for better pads, this is where most of the work is done. Mikes right you could have the best pads in the world if you dont bed them in properly then you're going backwards before you shut your door
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Good informative post daveb1970, but im afraid to say that I am now more lost than ever. Are you recommending that I stick with the OEM discs, or go with something other than those Tarox discs?
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What I think he is saying is the right pad for your car is key, the disc only comes into play when you've made that right choice.
You get too low a temp pad and you'll cook it, it'll smear crap all over any disc and judder. You get too high a temp pad and it'll never give you what it is capable of.
You want everything complimenting each other.
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Without sounding slopey shouldered - Im saying thats there's no performance benefit from sticking with OEM discs, there really isn't anything special about them compared to a good quality Bremtech or SBS disc. There will of course be a certain comfort factor by buying OEM and thats a good reason for buying them
Im suggesting that for the price of OEM you could get a very equivalent disc in terms of quality and some £change£ to high temp paint it and have them grooved increasing longevity
I just cant see the benefit in the Tarox cheesegraters especially.
EBC discs are dimpled - so whats the point no gas path!
A lot of discs are hardened as a marketing tool, this just means that they are more brittle and very susceptible to warping and temp changes if you make something hard then its more brittle, if yo make something soft then it'll bend but not break making it again susceptible to warping and temp changes lol.
Like everything brakes its finding the balance
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Right well I think its gonna most definetly be ferodo ds2500 pads or mintex. I do alot of stamping on brakes from high speeds so do sometimes get a bit of loss of feel, and slight fade.
Have emailed ATE about their powerdiscs and lightweight 2 piece discs and also zimmermann so will see what they say.
Have posted this thread on other sites also and alot of people are saying to steer clear of EBC.
Comfort and noise doesnt matter to me, its just that I need a new set of front discs, and I might aswell uprate them if possible.
So you recommend I get some bremtechs?
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What I think he is saying is the right pad for your car is key, the disc only comes into play when you've made that right choice.
You get too low a temp pad and you'll cook it, it'll smear crap all over any disc and judder. You get too high a temp pad and it'll never give you what it is capable of.
You want everything complimenting each other.
Posts crossed ^^^^
All pads have lubricants in them to make them road freindly, in the case of Mintex and TMD group pads such as Pagid or Textar its done chemically, in Ferodo pads they introduce Rubber into the mix of the pad to add stability and avoid the "flutter" that causes squeal. Which is why when they get hot they leave deposits - thats hot burnt rubber on your paintowrk and wheels
I would use medium temp range noisy track pads on the track as a starting point and road pads on the road, you will go quickest doing this. All road pads are Reg90 and are therefore OEM equivalent in the letter of the law but some OEM equivs are better than others.
Textar or Pagid OEM equivs are exactly that, a lot of Brembo style pads are made in Italy by a company called GALFER, these are very good but dont do aftermarket just OEM only, the ATE style pads on the R32 by textar and Pagid are excellent and half the price of OEM.
The 4045 compound in Porsche OEM pads is exactly the same as Textar aftermarket pads just 1/2 the price! Theres many cases like this
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jesus christ dave you know your brakes. lol
for guys who just have R32 345mm setup and cant afford to go BBK what would your reccomendation be when keeping discs and pad sizes Oem. but getting as much performance as poss
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Call Brakes International on 01706 666999
BPT2942 are Textars for the Mk5 R32 42 quid
BDC6152 are bremtech and are about 150
Both plus VAT
Out of curiosity what would OEM R32 discs and pads cost....?
If they give you a different price than those tell them account number DB21 if you decide to buy them.
They'll cope admirably with what you could throw at them on the road
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I have TAROX 2 piece F2000 discs on my car and they are great. I've used them on the track, at the 'ring and for slowing down from very high speeds and they work very well. :smiley:
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I have TAROX 2 piece F2000 discs on my car and they are great. I've used them on the track, at the 'ring and for slowing down from very high speeds and they work very well. :smiley:
you have a nice set of 10 pots clamping onto them though hurdy
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Call Brakes International on 01706 666999
BPT2942 are Textars for the Mk5 R32 42 quid
BDC6152 are bremtech and are about 150
Both plus VAT
Out of curiosity what would OEM R32 discs and pads cost....?
If they give you a different price than those tell them account number DB21 if you decide to buy them.
They'll cope admirably with what you could throw at them on the road
Thanks
BRAKE DISC (345x30mm) 1K0615301M qty 2 £55.94 ea
PAD SET 1K0698151B £41.19
rear pads £28
Those prices are with dealer discount.
Is it ok to keep the standard rear discs and get uprated rear pads for them?
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I'd echo Dave's comments on having 2 sets of pads.
I have Carbone Lorraine RC6s for hot days and Carbotech XP8s for anything else on track. You'd live with them on the road, but why waste your money? If you're getting that much heat into brakes on the road to cook something like a set of Pagids, you're doing it wrong.
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is it ok to just swap pads around whist keeping the sma e discs??
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The other thing is that in the main race pads are cheap, just bought some AP 3215's in Mintex 1144 AND 1177's at the weekend and had changeout of £100 inc VAT.
What are DS's now £125?
Mintex 1144's are a great "clubman" pad apparently, Mike how did J.Casey fair at the weekend with these said he was going to give them a go - any idea?
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The other thing is that in the main race pads are cheap, just bought some AP 3215's in Mintex 1144 AND 1177's at the weekend and had changeout of £100 inc VAT.
What are DS's now £125?
Mintex 1144's are a great "clubman" pad apparently, Mike how did J.Casey fair at the weekend with these said he was going to give them a go - any idea?
Been quoted £120 for the ferodos.
So I should have 2 sets of pads. One fast road, and one purely for track use?
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As far as I know/have found you can use any pad on a used disc - so swap around to suit your needs, it's a 15 minute job...with the exception of ceramic based stuff , unless you're prepared to deal with 100 miles or so worth of judder whilst it scrapes the old build up off. I learnt this the hard way - you're supposed to scuff up the discs with garnet paper, at least.
The RC6s are the easiest in terms of 'fit em and go' pad around, fully sintered FTW - but they squeal like a pig unless you back them with 3M anti vibration tape and they'll kill soft discs... that's race pads for you.
Mr Casey went well, Dave.
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out of interest would the oem disc be classed as hard??
also what does FTW stand for
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Hard discs have an application in endurance motorsport - not always. Ceramic Discs are very hard and can last 200k km's
FTW
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ftw (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ftw)
I had to look it up when I first saw it over on uk-mkivs :ashamed: :ashamed: :signLOL:
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Call Brakes International on 01706 666999
BPT2942 are Textars for the Mk5 R32 42 quid
BDC6152 are bremtech and are about 150
Both plus VAT
Out of curiosity what would OEM R32 discs and pads cost....?
If they give you a different price than those tell them account number DB21 if you decide to buy them.
They'll cope admirably with what you could throw at them on the road
One more question mate, can I run stock pads and discs on the rear and the ones you have listed upfront allright? Or should I get the same pads all round?
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It isn't the drilling technique, the decent brakes (Porsche etc) are forged and not cast metal, so its properties are much better.
Drilled means they heat up and cool down quicker, as there's less mass, that's why the crack. RS4 discs are a bugger for cracking.
ATE Powerdiscs (http://www.ate-brakes.com/generator/www/com/en/ate/ate/themes/10_products/60_high_performance/10_powerdisc/productinfo_powerdisc_en.html)
Heat in brakes is a good thing, so long as it is all matched - you want the right pad for your temp range. A set of DS2500s, or even better, Pagid blues on those ATE discs and you're golden.
Absolutely spot on Tony. Porsche are forged at the foundary. Drilling just weakens the disc and causes cracking.
I've used many brands in the past and depedant on budget and how hard you use them especially on track then a good 2 piece set up will dissapate heat in the most efficient manner.
I have used the Tarox 330 2 piece slotted discs which last for nearly 3 years and this included many times on track and 3 sets of Tarox Corsa pads.....very effective but the discs are noisy and are expensive to replace.
A good set of OE discs with good brake fluid and a good high heta pad can be very effective if not as strong on retardation for ultimate stopping power but I wouldn't go anywhere near drilled discs as the one's I've used will for sure be binned after a few trackdays from cracking.
I was looking at the Tarox 10 pot 345mm single piece set up due to it's cheaper disc replacement option as OE discs can still be used if on a budget and the 10 pots give a brilliant pedal feel. Not snappy like some of the big 4 pot calipers around!!
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I was looking at the Tarox 10 pot 345mm single piece set up due to it's cheaper disc replacement option as OE discs can still be used if on a budget and the 10 pots give a brilliant pedal feel. Not snappy like some of the big 4 pot calipers around!!
I was asked to refurb some of these and the seal kit was £450 including carriage and VAT from Italy, if you need pistons a refurb for these could potentially be approaching 4 figures :surprised:.
Another hidden cost of track days I suppose
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I like where this thread is going, i am due some new pads and discs, im using oem ones with redstuff pads and they clunk and ping everytime i brake its awful!
fluid changed and bled and still no difference in my braking ability
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I'll sum up so far:
The right pads and some decent fluid are the most important bit. You can either run 2 sets, so a decent (cheap) OEM fast road capable and then some serious stuff for hooning. Or, a crossover pad such as a Pagid Blue which should cope with most things.
Then you've got 3 options on discs.
1. OEM spec discs. Cheap as chips, can be grooved by any engineering shop. Cost effective even if you're swapping them every 12 months.
2. Uprated discs such as Tarox/ATE/Nitrac. Usually much harder material and last longer.
3. 2 piece. The ultimate in weight saving and heat control... performance costs though.
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I'll sum up so far:
The right pads and some decent fluid are the most important bit. You can either run 2 sets, so a decent (cheap) OEM fast road capable and then some serious stuff for hooning. Or, a crossover pad such as a Pagid Blue which should cope with most things.
Then you've got 3 options on discs.
1. OEM spec discs. Cheap as chips, can be grooved by any engineering shop. Cost effective even if you're swapping them every 12 months.
2. Uprated discs such as Tarox/ATE/Nitrac. Usually much harder material and last longer.
3. 2 piece. The ultimate in weight saving and heat control... performance costs though.
Wot e sed ^^^^^ :happy2:
Summarised perfectly - nothing else to add at all
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thanked you both , excellent info :happy2:
where per chance would we get these ??
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balance motorsport at a guess? thats where i tend to get my brake parts from
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Found another company to through in the mix.
Alcon brakes = Alcon for those of you that don't know make the new RS6 brakes.
http://www.alcon.co.uk/advantage_extreme.htm
brakes on an s3 -
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hmm...brake porn!
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CupraK1, I've got Alcons on mine, and can confirm they are indeed as epic as epic gets... but then I was prepared to pay for the performance over what we're talking about here, there's a big jump in price.
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CupraK1, I've got Alcons on mine, and can confirm they are indeed as epic as epic gets... but then I was prepared to pay for the performance over what we're talking about here, there's a big jump in price.
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what MM are they mate? do you know if they do a 345 x 30 mm kit ?
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343x32 - You may be able to machine a few mm off the pads to squeeze them in, I don't know if the caliper would accept that?? Speak to Dave.
There's a few other things to consider though:
I don't know if the offset of the bell is the same as OEM, I don't know if the pad-swept area is the same and I don't know if you want to be spending that kind of money on a set of discs? think £700 ish.
If you find the answer is positive on all those, then ring John at EARS (http://www.ears.co.uk) in Macclesfield - he'll give you the best price on discs & bells.
Alternatively, just buy an Alcon kit off him - the car will do stoppies, believe me. :happy2:
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ATE 2 Piece discs £300 + vat for 345mm x 30mm, think I will go with them.
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ATE 2 Piece discs £300 + vat for 345mm x 30mm, think I will go with them.
when you txt me i got excited, now you post here saying "plus VAT" ... oh dear.. better order before the vat goes back up to 15%
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Where are you getting the ATE ones from, is there a link for the others on here?
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eurocarparts.com
Had to email them the ATE part number and they sent me back their eurocarparts part number. Will post it up later when I get back home from fixing boilers. :happy2:
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ATE 2 Piece discs £300 + vat for 345mm x 30mm, think I will go with them.
when you txt me i got excited, now you post here saying "plus VAT" ... oh dear.. better order before the vat goes back up to 15%
dont you mean 17.5 :P
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eurocarparts.com
Had to email them the ATE part number and they sent me back their eurocarparts part number. Will post it up later when I get back home from fixing boilers. :happy2:
so they are already a produced item, for the 06 r32 no doubt?
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ATE 2 Piece discs £300 + vat for 345mm x 30mm, think I will go with them.
when you txt me i got excited, now you post here saying "plus VAT" ... oh dear.. better order before the vat goes back up to 15%
dont you mean 17.5 :P
bahh yeah its been a while since i have had my calculator out, spend spend spend :jumping:
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eurocarparts.com
Had to email them the ATE part number and they sent me back their eurocarparts part number. Will post it up later when I get back home from fixing boilers. :happy2:
Hmmmm....
I know someone who works for Euro - wonder if I could get you all a GB deal? I'll ask once I know the part number to give him, so he knows what he's quoting on.
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eurocarparts.com
Had to email them the ATE part number and they sent me back their eurocarparts part number. Will post it up later when I get back home from fixing boilers. :happy2:
Hmmmm....
I know someone who works for Euro - wonder if I could get you all a GB deal? I'll ask once I know the part number to give him, so he knows what he's quoting on.
Good point, i can get a trade discount at euro too.. so that would be an idea
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Trade card FTW - the power of forums, someone's always on hand to save some money.
Now, if only Dave was around to chime in with a handy caliper suggestion to hunt out on ebay that matches an R32 disc & your M/C.
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i was with dave yesterday :laugh: i should have asked him about them :ashamed:
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Mike got PM - its donned
Anybody got a link - they any good, two piece discs WITH BELLS and fixings for 350 all in.......hmmmmm
AP Racing bolt set is 20 quid a corner........
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i was with dave yesterday :laugh: i should have asked him about them :ashamed:
Yep good to see you mate - dug me out of a hole.
PS Your exhaust sounds the nuts mate - had to open my window on the A627M!!!!!
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No Dave, they're 2 piece in the style of the MKIV R32 or Audi ones Tom's got.
Alu centres and the disc held on by pins - chuck the lot away when you've worn them out style.
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i was with dave yesterday :laugh: i should have asked him about them :ashamed:
Yep good to see you mate - dug me out of a hole.
PS Your exhaust sounds the nuts mate - had to open my window on the A627M!!!!!
i was only going slow too :laugh: blooming traffic :rolleye:
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So how many are wanting these as theres a couple on SCN interested aswell? Are people coupling these disks with the ds2500 pads?
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So how many are wanting these as theres a couple on SCN interested aswell? Are people coupling these disks with the ds2500 pads?
from what has been said i think the ds2500 pads would be best yes
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Where are you getting the ATE ones from, is there a link for the others on here?
Think hes talking about these ones http://www.ate-brakes.com/generator/www/com/en/ate/ate/themes/10_products/10_friction-parts/10_brake-discs/productinfo_brake-discs_en;tabNr=3.html
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Think hes getting them from eurocar parts.
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24-0132-0166-2 ate part number = 104441630 eurocarparts number
24-0132-0165-2 ate part number = 104441640 eurocarparts number
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24-0132-0166-2 ate part number = 104441630 eurocarparts number
24-0132-0165-2 ate part number = 104441640 eurocarparts number
wow U just opened up a few new doors, i can get new discs by pagid 345x30 for CHEAP AS CHIPS !
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do you have ay links with these, cos i cant find any where that has these discs,. tried looking for somewhere to fit enter those part numbers.
Are these Pagid discs two piece or one piece and how much etc
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do you have ay links with these, cos i cant find any where that has these discs,. tried looking for somewhere to fit enter those part numbers.
Are these Pagid discs two piece or one piece and how much etc
the pagid are one peice just standard OEM ones but i didnt know i could get them from eurocar parts :ashamed:
The 2 peice ones are not listed on the eurocar parts website.. well they might be but i cant find them... try calling your local eurocar parts quoting the part numbers above
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do you have ay links with these, cos i cant find any where that has these discs,. tried looking for somewhere to fit enter those part numbers.
Are these Pagid discs two piece or one piece and how much etc
the pagid are one peice just standard OEM ones but i didnt know i could get them from eurocar parts :ashamed:
The 2 peice ones are not listed on the eurocar parts website.. well they might be but i cant find them... try calling your local eurocar parts quoting the part numbers above
not listed on website but they do have them in stock.
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24-0132-0166-2 ate part number = 104441630 eurocarparts number
24-0132-0165-2 ate part number = 104441640 eurocarparts number
wow U just opened up a few new doors, i can get new discs by pagid 345x30 for CHEAP AS CHIPS !
Can you get pagid blue pads for cheap as chips?
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24-0132-0166-2 ate part number = 104441630 eurocarparts number
24-0132-0165-2 ate part number = 104441640 eurocarparts number
wow U just opened up a few new doors, i can get new discs by pagid 345x30 for CHEAP AS CHIPS !
Can you get pagid blue pads for cheap as chips?
Pagid blues are like 120 pounds direct from pagid :sad1:
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so the same as the ds2500, decisions decisions.
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Pagid!!!!!
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Pagid!!!!!
So pagid for the best all rounder then :happy2:.
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Pagid!!!!!
So pagid for the best all rounder then :happy2:.
ill let you know in a few weeks :P
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Pagid!!!!!
over ds2500's?
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I can now get pagid discs 345 x 30 mm (cupra / s3 / r32 size) grooved discs for about £170-£180 the pair... if any one is interested.. maybe do a group buy ? who knows
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Woo hoo :party:
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Cheers to DaveB for helpful & rapid service!
Pads and braided lines soon then S3 rear set up :D When the fronts have worn again will be looking for a big brake kit
** edit thats a size 9 boot lol
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Drilllled ehh? not worried about cracking? are they 345x 30 to fit stnd calipers?
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Drilllled ehh? not worried about cracking? are they 345x 30 to fit stnd calipers?
Nope and yup :happy2:
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interesting... i have just struck a deal for some 345x30 grooved only would you mind pming me the price you paid? and what make discs they were before they were drilled out
cheers
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interesting... i have just struck a deal for some 345x30 grooved only would you mind pming me the price you paid? and what make discs they were before they were drilled out
cheers
so come on what disks have you gone for pagid?
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interesting... i have just struck a deal for some 345x30 grooved only would you mind pming me the price you paid? and what make discs they were before they were drilled out
cheers
Can tell you they were either SBS or Bremtech, Bremtech are cast in the Midlands in the UK, SBS are cast in the same 60 acre foundry in Poland same as Brembo/Pagid/Black Diamond and countless others.....
They're high carbon contect, etch primed and powder coated, you could easily get 40k miles out of these discs, they also have a min thickness of 27mm over the OEM ones of 28mm IIRC
If you speak to people in the Brake Industry it quickly becomes apparent that there are very few manufacturing organisations, Pagid/Textar/Mintex/Don/Cobreq/Cosid are all the same group. AP Racing/Brembo - same company same factories
They regularly share stock as well nothing more satisfying than raiding the shelves at Brakes International and finding £160 Porsche OEM Pagid Cayenne pads in a £30 quid Mintex box!!
SBS also do a mean carbon ceramic race pad very highly regarded in Mitsubishi Tarmac/Gravel circles
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interesting... i have just struck a deal for some 345x30 grooved only would you mind pming me the price you paid? and what make discs they were before they were drilled out
cheers
so come on what disks have you gone for pagid?
Im the guinea pig for this test lol. Should arrive tomorrow, and fitted sat if all goes to plan. :happy2:
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Pagid!!!!!
Dave do you rate Pagid over Ferodo then?
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Err yes, I also rate
brunettes over blondes ouch .....sorry love blondes over brunettes if you get my drift.....
If you get the ferodo DS2500 really hot they will leave deposits over your discs, wheels, wings. Pagids wouldn't do they would just cease to work in much the same way the ferodos would
Its the classic case of pressing on with fading brakes instead of backing off, once they reach "critical mass" heat wise theres no getting either back.
But if you are getting them that hot then in most cases you've outgrown the pad in terms of ability or utility and you need to swap them out for DS3000 or even DS3000+ or yellows/oranges/greys/blues in the pagid range.....All non road legal
PM monsiuer Danza, dont think he's ever really got involved in Pagid stuff on his alcons from memory.
If you are only ever going to drive on the road and the very non hardcore track day then DS2500 is a great pad.
One other to consider is the Mintex 1144 Im not sure if they do it in Mk5 R32 fitment but apparently its a great "clubman" pad, I'm seeing Alan at Questmead tomorrow. I'll ask. They're not expensive either. Alan makes the performance stuff for Mintex at his Sheffield factory.
So yes I prefer Pagid over the DS2500 only through some very well informed hearsay, if you were to ask whether Performance friction were better then Pagid then I would probably walk away murmuring abot car weights/platforms/driving styles etc cos in honesty I wouldn't have a clue and Im not qualified to comment. See Mr Danza or the other track slaggers on here
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I overheard a conversation between a race driver (RD) and well known brake manufacturer (BM). Luckliy I recorded the conversation, you know, as you do. This is what was actually said:
RD "I was driving a car with your brakes on at the ring the other week, have to say it had fade and then lots of judder, almost as if...."
BM "...before you say it yes they were DS2500 pads. We fit them because they are good for road use but more importantly they don't squeal. If we fit race pads we'd get squeal and a massive warranty bill. Luckily for us most of customers drive like girls and don't know how to brake properly. You must brake like a man"
RD "yes, I do"
BM "you must be really good"
RD "I am"
BM "not like the tarts that buy our brakes for road cars though, girl brakers"
RD "I know, it's a shame"
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Classic...... :congrats:
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Moral of the story..
I'd used them on light cars. They were fine. I'd used them on the road. They were fine.
You want to brake like a man. They're sh*t.
Pagid blues or Mintex for fast road, they're as grippy as a DS2500 but all they'll do is fade, not splatter your discs in crap. Performance Friction/Carbonne Lorraine/Carbotech/Ceramic Pagids for the track, or those who man brake.
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Interesting stuff, thanks Dave (and Tony, tres amusing). I actually run the new version of the old DS2000, the DS Performance. Partly because they are actually road legal and also because the work a bit better from cold and arent such a harsh compound on my OE Delphi discs. I only have a diesel Focus (still... GTi keeps getting snatched from under my nose for one reason or another) which is no rocket ship, but they are a vast improvement over the OE Motorcraft pads, which were quite easy to overheat (Mk1 TDCi Focus is very under-braked IMHO), and are more than adequate for occasional 'spirited' road use, especially with a nose heavy car. I was planning on sticking the same on my GTi when it materialises.
It helps that I have a contact as the Ferodo distributor who gets me them for trade plus a decent discount.
EDIT: Tony, I doubt I'm the only who's intrigued to know the identity of 'RD'...
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I'm not allowed to say :wink:
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Quite correct hes not allowed to say!
so who was it mate?
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Pagid grooved discs with pagid blue pads FTW :star:
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If somebody wanted to try the Mintex 1144's then they are available, the mintex part number is MDB2677M1144
and the most expensive price I've seen is 96 quid inc vat from Camskill. Personally I dont think you'd be dissapointed and thats probably a good 40 quid cheaper than the DS2500 for for all intents the same level of pad
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My mate swears by some crazy Mintex on his Leon track car - using the theory of 'he might rinse through a set a track day, but they're dirt cheap'
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John (harveysduvet) had them on at Anglesea last time out on his Boxster Fronted Mk4, and in summarising his comments they held their own on the track (just) were cheap and felt a little wooden when approaching the limit (which aint always a bad thing). I think ultimately he preferred the Pagid 4-2's but at twice the price they didn't give twice the performance.
The fact that he's even putting them in the same category as the 4-2's probably means they would give the DS2500 a good run for their money at 2/3rds the cost
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Hi All
Possibly another silly question - DaveB hope you are still reading :smiley:
Are the discs rotational??? Is there a left & right disc? Does the direction pattern matter? Don't know how to explain... but hopefully you get what I mean
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Is this the Near Side or for the Off Side? Just fitted to the N/S.
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Hi All
Possibly another silly question - DaveB hope you are still reading :smiley:
Are the discs rotational??? Is there a left & right disc? Does the direction pattern matter? Don't know how to explain... but hopefully you get what I mean
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Is this the Near Side or for the Off Side? Just fitted to the N/S.
check the direction of the cooling vanes.
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check the direction of the cooling vanes.
OMG - What???? Just knew there would be more to this than met the eye :ashamed:
What direction should the cooling vanes be dare I ask? (Assuming that the cooling vanes are the things between the discs lol)
Also, what is the procedure for correctly bedding in the pads. As mentioned several times in this post?
(God I feel like such an idiot)
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Are the grooved discs you have fitted or standard?
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That IMO would be a N/S - but don't take that as gospel!
Bedding in pads, what type have you bought?
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Are the grooved discs you have fitted or standard?
Don't really understand the question, sorry...
That IMO would be a N/S - but don't take that as gospel!
Bedding in pads, what type have you bought?
Just got some bog standard mintex pads MDB2604 from memory. Came recommended with the discs.
I am not a fast driver or a heavy braker. So I thought these would be OK... Re-reading this post I may decided to upgrade pads.
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If you're not a fast driver/heavy driver - just see how you get on before spending money.
Bedding in. Read the instructions, but this is a rough guide. Go somewhere very quiet and with enough room to do the stopping bit of the procedure in 1 go, so you don't have to stop still unexpectedly
10x medium force stops from 30-slow rolling
Drive gently for 15 mins
10x medium to hard force stops from 60-slow rolling
Drive gently for 15 mins
Leave it for a couple of hours to cool down fully and try avoiding being stationary with your foot on the brakes, otherwise you may leave pad deposits on the discs and get vibration.
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Thank you.
Been driving really steady hardly using the brakes, thought that was the best thing to do.
But will try the above today.
Cheers
Lee
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Thank you.
Been driving really steady hardly using the brakes, thought that was the best thing to do.
But will try the above today.
Cheers
Lee
Don't baby them too much as this can be detrimental to pads, they need to get sufficiently hot to allow them to bed-in properly. And far be it for me to contradict Tony, but I was always taught never to come to a complete stop when bedding in pads. 60(ish)-10mph is my normal routine. The cooling state inbetween is pretty crucial so make sure you get up to a reasonable speed without having to brake too much in between each set of 10 applications make sure you give your self some room as your braking distance will be longer than normal with new pads.
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Sorry, yes - I should have put "keep it rolling", it does imply a complete stop, I didn't mean that.
Early mornings...
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Sorry, yes - I should have put "keep it rolling", it does imply a complete stop, I didn't mean that.
Early mornings...
No worries... I know the feeling! Nothing annoys me more (ok apart from people driving with fog lights on) than people that ride their brakes or sit at the lights with their foot on the pedal and more than likely, still in gear. I had someone stall and lurch into the back of me only the other day. I've only just had the back-end rebuilt after a numpty motorcyclist ran out of the little talent he had in the first place!
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:party: :party:
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Mike,
You tease!!!!!!
Show us the rest then!
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now muike that isnt being fitted during out precious work time is it. lol
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nice one mike... hope u have fun bedding them in :party:
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now muike that isnt being fitted during out precious work time is it. lol
Shhhhh
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Mike,
You tease!!!!!!
Show us the rest then!
Only standard Calipers going back on Im afriad john but something in the pipeline to fit std discs
Starts with B and ends in rembo....
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nice one mike... hope u have fun bedding them in :party:
There's a nice long dual carraige way that goes pretty much nowhere next to camp :innocent:
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Is that a DaveB special by any chance? :innocent:
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Is that a DaveB special by any chance? :innocent:
:congrats: :congrats: You familiar?
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Is that a DaveB special by any chance? :innocent:
:congrats: :congrats: You familiar?
:innocent:
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Why are those discs white?
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Why are those discs white?
If I'm not mistaken the colour is Brembo Grey..............
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Powder coated Brembo gray I think
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Is that a DaveB special by any chance? :innocent:
:congrats: :congrats: You familiar?
:innocent:
You rate them? What pads are you using with them?
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^^^^
Why are those discs white?
If I'm not mistaken the colour is Brembo Grey..............
....Well I've seen them in the metal in the balloonist's garage and they looked white - Albeit a dull white rather than bright white. It'll be interesting to see what colour they become after some use.
:happy2:
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Last of the late brakers so they wont look 'white' for long :evilgrin:
Will be posting in a week or so what do you use to remove brake dust haha
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Is that a DaveB special by any chance? :innocent:
:congrats: :congrats: You familiar?
:innocent:
You rate them? What pads are you using with them?
My kit isn't fit as yet! :wink:
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Is that a DaveB special by any chance? :innocent:
:congrats: :congrats: You familiar?
:innocent:
You rate them? What pads are you using with them?
My kit isn't fit as yet! :wink:
Why is it still going to the gym :wink: :laugh: :laugh:
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Methinks the 'white' (Brembo Grey) would look much better coloured black to suit your car, Nath.
I have to say I'm not a fan of the 'white', nor the gold disc finish, or does that wear off?
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Methinks the 'white' (Brembo Grey) would look much better coloured black to suit your car, Nath.
I have to say I'm not a fan of the 'white', nor the gold disc finish, or does that wear off?
The 'white' is actually grey! The Gold finish does wear off............. :innocent:
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^^^^
Cheers - we learn something new every day :happy2:
The 'white' didn't look very grey in your garage, but.. It is what it is.
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Methinks the 'white' (Brembo Grey) would look much better coloured black to suit your car, Nath.
I have to say I'm not a fan of the 'white', nor the gold disc finish, or does that wear off?
I didn't say what colour mine were! :innocent:
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SSShhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! :signLOL:
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They can only be either red or black
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Come on Nathan - no secrets amongst friends....
Ladies (especially Ladies....) & Gentlemen..............
I proudly present Nathans new brakes..............
TA.......DA.......!!!!!!!!!
:pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp: :pomppomp:
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Nathan sorry mate this pic just never gets old!!
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How much?
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^^^ matches the splitter :pomppomp:
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Lol Id love to see that in practise!
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^^^ matches the splitter :pomppomp:
How many times do I have to tell you about your jealous and spitefull comments Mr Grumpy! :booty:
When the brakes get fitted I will update my 'Rides' thread. :happy2:
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Im just jealous Nath :laugh: luv ya really :evilgrin:
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Oooohhhh Nathan you tart, they look awesome :drool: :drool:
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Oooohhhh Nathan you tart, they look awesome :drool: :drool:
There not mine Tom! :happy2:
Oh and a big kiss for Mr Grumpy! :love:
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:happy2: I too have gone for an upgrade but its the cheaper option :wink:
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:happy2: I too have gone for an upgrade but its the cheaper option :wink:
Do share :popcornsoda:
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Oooohhhh Nathan you tart, they look awesome :drool: :drool:
There not mine Tom! :happy2:
Oh and a big kiss for Mr Grumpy! :love:
{/PANTOMIME MODE //on]
Oh yes they are..........
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:grin:
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Oooohhhh Nathan you tart, they look awesome :drool: :drool:
There not mine Tom! :happy2:
Oh and a big kiss for Mr Grumpy! :love:
{/PANTOMIME MODE //on]
Oh yes they are..........
{/PANTOMIME MODE //off]
:grin:
{/PANTOMIME MODE //on]
Oh no there not..............
{/PANTOMIME MODE //off]
:grin:
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{/PANTOMIME MODE //on]
He's behind you......
{/PANTOMIME MODE //off]
:wink:
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{/PANTOMIME MODE //on]
Why does Peter Pan have boobs, mummy?
{/PANTOMIME MODE //off]
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{/PANTOMIME MODE //on]
Mummy why is Puss in Boots called...............
{/PANTOMIME MODE //off]
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Mummy, Widow Twanky touched me in my special place.......
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....Less of this rude talk about grooving and drilling! :evilgrin:
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So for the people who went ahead with their relevent disk and pad setups how do you rate them, i still havnt taken the plunge and got this sorted, and yeah i did just read the whole thread agian and still carnt work out whats best :stupid: :ashamed:.
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come see mine :evilgrin:
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but then ill want a set :party: :party: :party: i will do anyway though.
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come see mine :evilgrin:
....We would if we knew where. Build or project thread perhaps?
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come see mine :evilgrin:
....We would if we knew where. Build or project thread perhaps?
or just down the road :happy2:.
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come see mine :evilgrin:
....We would if we knew where. Build or project thread perhaps?
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=11629.0
:evilgrin:
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Do you know this interesting disc and pad test? :happy2:
http://www.taroxbrakes.de/tl_files/content/news/BrakeTest2.pdf
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g88s are an awesome disc mate. I had them on my furby vrs in 312mm and can honestly say they are one of the best discs I have used. had Zimmerman on before that which were drilled, no where near as good, and yes they cracked
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Will get a set of Tarox F2000 in a couple of days: :smiley:
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Will get a set of Tarox F2000 in a couple of days: :smiley:
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Which setup do you have Bruce? :happy2: If theyre in 312 how much are they setting you back? :drinking:
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Just 312x12, Mike. :wink: will stay with the Ferodo DSP for the next months
(no track and no autocross), remove the shields, fit the RS3 vent and the
bronze bushes.
I think about getting Pagid RS4-2 or Endless MX72 next year. The Endless
seem to be economic in the long run. From what I read they last 3 times
longer and the rotors twice.
I'd like to go for a NQSBBK, but sadly TÜV is a thing I can't ignore in this country.
:indifferent:
ps: nice read
http://www.taroxbrakes.de/tl_files/content/news/BrakeTest2.pdf
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Did anyone try the Endless pads on a Golf?
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The RS3 Scoops should be renamed as the dust shield cooling device,I just cant see the point of them personally.
Look at the scoop arrangement on a W12 Phaeton - much better - needs work but much better.
Endless pads are very capable and VERY expensve - do you need something so capable over say a RS4-2 on a clean disc
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Dave, the Phaeton vent/shield arrangement looks very effective, but pretty
much work to fit.
The RS3 element will do its work properly if the shield is removed. Remember
the air stream under the frontal area of the car isn't moving in a straight line,
but more like a 'V' passing the wheels and brakes. That is why the RS3 vents
are positioned that way. Even more it's cheap and simple.
I ever wanted the RS4-2 as I now some guys using them and they are very
happy with them. Since the boys from Raeder Motorsport first told me about
Endless I just hear and read good things about them. They last at least three
times longer and the disc at least two times. But I still tend to go for the Pagids.
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I'm thrilled with the performance of my new TAROX brakes on the Polo and for a price I couldn't believe or resist too. Grooved 1 piece F2000's at 323mm. You can get the same kit for the Golf too, but 312mm or 330mm discs :happy2: Bonus was that they were a full kilo lighter than the OEM set-up. :jumpmove:
TUV approval too Bruce :smiley:
MMMM pic porn....
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were they available for the polo in 312mm as well?
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Looks killer !!!
Yes, I know there's a ''small'' Tarox kit with stock size discs,
but the (regular) price is still way above the NQSBBK.
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were they available for the polo in 312mm as well?
No, the 323mm size was a MK4 R32 variant disc which they made up for me with Polo carriers. :happy2:
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That's the 323 cupra r disc John....
Expect pictures of the tbbbbk that's the teensy bit bigger big brake kit this week for the polo gti... ( name will change!...)
I'm very pleased........affordable, looks the bollox, great pedal, lots of pad choice.....
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Expect pictures of the tbbbbk that's the teensy bit bigger big brake kit this week for the polo gti... ( name will change!...)
9N or 6R, Dave?
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6R mate
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Heres my set-up on my R, there neuspeed disc from states.
Also upgraded to EBC Yellow stuff, these made a massive difference.
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http://www.neuspeed.com/12633062lr-brake-rotor-front.html
This setup has made a big difference in braking, it stops much better then OEM, more progressive in a way where it does not just stop dead, you have more control, i dont know if people understand what am chatting about lol.
Also no more brake fade.
I was also worried about cracking so far no issues, the holes on these are done in away to prevent cracking, cant remember now but I did read something on them.
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Nice looking discs although I think your installer as fitted them to the wrong side and the pads are from a mk4 not Mk5
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Nice looking discs although I think your installer as fitted them to the wrong side and the pads are from a mk4 not Mk5
Spot on Sherlock !
We realised when fitting rear pads were wrong, in regards to the disc install the labels clearing directed this way, it look wrong so we called Awesome GTi and they stated it is this way, we also called neuspeed they also stated it had to be set that way.
Every says the same thing about the disc, I may send neuspeed a photo just to triple confirm, I did explain the slot were one the opposite side, they said its directional and that his how they designed them.
I have been told it really won't a difference which way it's installed.
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Is there just the slot pattern direction or do these have directional vanes?
If the latter then this is more important. The direction of the slots almost doesn't matter.
I they don't have directional vanes I'd mount them the way Dave suggest though. I did
it with my Tarox F2000.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.golfvigti.com%2Fupload%2Fdirect%2Fi_14_9157_0_45_1331908374_9797.jpg&hash=bd448a02c39e2ddbea370ac365c9506b0025cdc3)
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