MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => How to Guides / Troubleshooting => Topic started by: Yorkie92 on August 16, 2014, 08:47:51 pm
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Hello everyone
I am new to Golf GTi ownership so I am not sure if this is normal but I have a loud clicking noise from the front of the engine. I searched Google and it led to the cam follower, so I changed that but the noise is still there :sad1:
I can hear the noise even when I'm about 15 meters in front of the car so I can't see how it can be normal?
Any help or advice would be appreciated and as I am new to all this you might have to bare with me a bit :smiley:
PS: Its a 2006 GTi DSG.
Thanks
Yorkie
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Hi dude
My 2005 sounds the same. Wouldn't say clicking noise mine is like a ticking noise pritty loud dunno if this is normal but never misses a beat and pulls strong lol
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Yeah that sounds a better word for it :grin:
I have only had the car about a month but it goes fine with no drama.
Their has to be something wrong as I can't imagine VW making a car with that sound :stupid:
Yorkie
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I also have this noise seems to be from the top of the engine googled a lot to research think I finally found the answer to mine and I think it's the cam timing chain and tensioner! Either that or tappets but sounds too loud to be tappets in my opinion hope this helps
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The car just had a major service two weeks ago so I'm supprised they didn't say anything :confused:
It's from the top right if looking at engine. I will look into the timing chain and tensioner :smiley:
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the engines tend to be pretty noisy anyway, but could be timing chain, try listening to someone elses to compare
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That's not a normal noise.
Cam chain, tensioner and exhaust cam phaser need to be replaced.
Used to have the same noise changed the above items and only thing I heard is the injectors now :smiley:
Not a hard job at all expensive and must have proper tool to lock the cams
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Thank you for the help, I will get the above done ASAP.
Will it harm the engine if this is not sorted quickly? As this has been like it since I got the car :confused:
Yorkie
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If the chain snaps, or jumps a tooth, then your engine will most likely eat itself... I've been at my mate for six months to get his done as it's been rattling since he bought it, garage told him it was 'normal' :fighting:
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Yeah, that's what they said to me :sad1:
I bought the car of a second hand car dealers with 3 months Engine and Gearbox warranty, would this be covered by the warranty at all?
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My car ticks its actually louder then my diesel. Supposedly its just the injectors. I will try and post up a sound file it would be nice to know if the sound is normal or not.
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My 2008 GTI was very much like my Mk6 R, not at all rattly. A bit louder than a non- direct injection engine, but not at all diesel-sounding. If your GTI's engine 'rattles' especially once warmed up, get your cam chain and tensioner replaced.
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Took some audio this morning.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fmic_01.jpg&hash=93ad3135fdf287bbf49c74262707734490d6aca1)
Bonnet closed. http://daz.co/audio/closed.mp3 (http://daz.co/audio/closed.mp3)
Bonnet open. http://daz.co/audio/open.mp3 (http://daz.co/audio/open.mp3)
Engine was cold.
Any feedback would be appreciated.
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Yes, that's the bloody noise! So that is the cam chain and tensioner?
Would the garage I bought it from sort this under warranty do you think as it made the noise when I bought it?
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I think it would be your word against there's mine makes exactly the same noise tho went to a mates garage the chain and tensioner would cost me roughly £160 then I would have to add labour onto that too...hopefully you won't have to pay out for it!!!
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But will it cure the noise. Also is it at risk of failing completely if not changed?
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I hope they would pay for it as I have only had the car a month and not only that, it also had a broken rear spring :sad1:
Thank you for everyone's help :smiley:
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Well gti mk5 tend to be a bit tappet like neways but if it is that your should sound completely different yh it can snap then it would do a lot more damage...I've been quoted all in £500 for cambelt kit waterpump chain and tensioner to be done I'm gettin that done soon as poss!!
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Well gti mk5 tend to be a bit tappet like neways but if it is that your should sound completely different yh it can snap then it would do a lot more damage...I've been quoted all in £500 for cambelt kit waterpump chain and tensioner to be done I'm gettin that done soon as poss!!
:surprised: where is that, as I seen that just the cam chain and tensioner alone is normally more than £700?
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Bonnet open. http://daz.co/audio/open.mp3 (http://daz.co/audio/open.mp3)
So is this noise normal? If not is it the cam chain and tensioner?
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Well gti mk5 tend to be a bit tappet like neways but if it is that your should sound completely different yh it can snap then it would do a lot more damage...I've been quoted all in £500 for cambelt kit waterpump chain and tensioner to be done I'm gettin that done soon as poss!!
:surprised: where is that, as I seen that just the cam chain and tensioner alone is normally more than £700?
It's through a mates garage that's what he quoted me so I ain't complaining lol plus when he does it I'll be there to help mates rates and all that ;)
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Bonnet open. http://daz.co/audio/open.mp3 (http://daz.co/audio/open.mp3)
So is this noise normal? If not is it the cam chain and tensioner?
That sounds like mine so I would say it sounds like chain and tensioner always better to see/hear in person I'm doing mine cos it's loud and doesn't sound anything like tappets etc
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I think I am going to get this done sooner rather than later as I don't want to have to repair a bust engine :smiley:
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I think I am going to get this done sooner rather than later as I don't want to have to repair a bust engine :smiley:
If you do get it done can you take some before and after audio. I would be interested to hear the difference.
Also any DIYs for this?
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Yeah I'll do a sound clip for it, I am going to ask the place I bought it from to do this but they want me to bring the car to them (3hrs away :sad1:)
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I might have a go at this myself.
Cant find a diy this is the best i can find.
http://workshop-manuals.com/volkswagen/golf-mk5/power_unit/4-cylinder_injection_engine_(2.0_l_engine_direct_injection)/engine_cylinder_head_valve_gear/valve_gear/removing_and_installing_camshaft_adjuster/removing_camshaft_adjuster/
What are the chances of me fu*king it up if i use the cam shaft locking tool??
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Are these the part numbers needed for AXX engines??
chain - part no. 06D109229B
tensioner - part no. 06F109217A
gasket - part no. 06D103121B
seal - part no. 06E127248
gasket - part no. 06F103483D
Anyone have a link to a kit with the cam shaft locking tool?
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Just listened to the audio clip - sounds like the usual HPFP / injector noise that most of them seem to have.
Now, obviously it's difficult to isolate and investigate a noise from an audio clip over the internet - and no one would not want you to fail to do essential repairs - but I would get a second opinion from someone who has a lot of experience of these notoriously noisy engines, before I set out on PiTY / expensive job.
Just a thought.
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Just listened to the audio clip - sounds like the usual HPFP / injector noise that most of them seem to have.
Now, obviously it's difficult to isolate and investigate a noise from an audio clip over the internet - and no one would not want you to fail to do essential repairs - but I would get a second opinion from someone who has a lot of experience of these notoriously noisy engines, before I set out on PiTY / expensive job.
Just a thought.
Thanks for your input. My past experience with the dealerships in Spain has been poor. The local garages are worse. I'm on my own with this one.
We will soon see all the parts and tools have been ordered.
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Ok - best of luck.
Hope that sorts it.
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Hey guys I've had this problem on my car and had it fixed. I had the chain and tensioner done first time round and still had the same noise then had the adjuster done and was all fixed it cost me a total of £730 for the work but I had to pay labour twice lol. As with regards to the cam adjuster to look at it you won't be able to tel if it's broke, its regulated by oil pressure and it's the mechanism inside that's at fault. I'm so glad I've got this fixed now, I told another chap that lives up the road from me who had the same issue and he said he wasn't prepared to pay the money to get a rattle fixed. More fool him as within 3 months the chain had snapped and is still sourcing a replacement engine as it took the engine out in the process!!! Not saying that this will happen to every car but I think this issue justifies the money spent on it to fix. Hope this helps. I know a really good garage in ruby who has done a few of these now if any one is near to them I'd be happy to give you there details. Sam
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@Yorkie92 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10271) @Carl123 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9031) Any of you guys had the chain and tensioner changed yet?
Received these bits over the last few days just Physicing my self up to get it done.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fcam_chain.jpg&hash=31a8ab4317934f3462fe7c191d39f1ddda8c58e3)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2Fhwn4F7gOauL5u%2Fgiphy.gif&hash=4d45b9a0530f95f680e37c3677c7470c790a239c)
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Nah I haven't managed to get round to doing this yet!! Keep me updated when u get this done hopefully will solve ur problem!!
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If the noise is a problem. A lot of people seem to think this noise in normal.
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my 05 gti dsg is going tomorrow under warranty to change the chain and adjuster + tens. :)
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my 05 gti dsg is going tomorrow under warranty to change the chain and adjuster + tens. :)
Do you know why they are changing the adjuster? And how to know if it needs to be changed?
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my 05 gti dsg is going tomorrow under warranty to change the chain and adjuster + tens. :)
Do you know why they are changing the adjuster? And how to know if it needs to be changed?
when i bought the car from vw shop i didn't told them about the cam chian sound ( i know about it when i bought it )
and had the car to VW for normal service as oil change and filter changes and then i told them to listen to the sound as it sounds like a diesel, they told me the cam chain and tens need to be replaced and wrote it on the service list and i showed it to the car shop that sold the car. I waited 1h and they called me back and told me the car was booked for cam chain replacment on the 24.9 :)
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my 05 gti dsg is going tomorrow under warranty to change the chain and adjuster + tens. :)
Do you know why they are changing the adjuster? And how to know if it needs to be changed?
when i bought the car from vw shop i didn't told them about the cam chian sound ( i know about it when i bought it )
and had the car to VW for normal service as oil change and filter changes and then i told them to listen to the sound as it sounds like a diesel, they told me the cam chain and tens need to be replaced and wrote it on the service list and i showed it to the car shop that sold the car. I waited 1h and they called me back and told me the car was booked for cam chain replacment on the 24.9 :)
OK but when did they decide to also do the cam adjuster??
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my 05 gti dsg is going tomorrow under warranty to change the chain and adjuster + tens. :)
Do you know why they are changing the adjuster? And how to know if it needs to be changed?
when i bought the car from vw shop i didn't told them about the cam chian sound ( i know about it when i bought it )
and had the car to VW for normal service as oil change and filter changes and then i told them to listen to the sound as it sounds like a diesel, they told me the cam chain and tens need to be replaced and wrote it on the service list and i showed it to the car shop that sold the car. I waited 1h and they called me back and told me the car was booked for cam chain replacment on the 24.9 :)
OK but when did they decide to also do the cam adjuster??
If the tens, and chain cure the sound out.
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@Yorkie92 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10271) @Carl123 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9031) Any of you guys had the chain and tensioner changed yet?
Have you managed to get yours done yet?? @dazza (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10457)
Received these bits over the last few days just Physicing my self up to get it done.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdaz.co%2Fimages%2Fcam_chain.jpg&hash=31a8ab4317934f3462fe7c191d39f1ddda8c58e3)
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2Fhwn4F7gOauL5u%2Fgiphy.gif&hash=4d45b9a0530f95f680e37c3677c7470c790a239c)
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@Carl123 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9031) you can follow along here.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,89158.0.html
If i hadn't snapped the bold holding the adjuster it would have been done by now.
How to make an easy job not so easy. Its probably better for me as i find things to do would have to many mods and no money if things where quick and easy.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2Fhwn4F7gOauL5u%2Fgiphy.gif&hash=4d45b9a0530f95f680e37c3677c7470c790a239c)
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@Carl123 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9031) you can follow along here.
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,89158.0.html
If i hadn't snapped the bold holding the adjuster it would have been done by now.
How to make an easy job not so easy. Its probably better for me as i find things to do would have to many mods and no money if things where quick and easy.
(https://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2Fhwn4F7gOauL5u%2Fgiphy.gif&hash=4d45b9a0530f95f680e37c3677c7470c790a239c)
Ahh just had a read through I hope mine ain't the adjuster I'll be balls deep in spending money!! Well I've booked it in on the 28th so hope all goes well for me!!
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To be honest can see anything wrong with the chain, tensioner or adjustor. So will just change them all and hope for the best. I hope the chain and tensioner will sort your problem.
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To be honest can see anything wrong with the chain, tensioner or adjustor. So will just change them all and hope for the best. I hope the chain and tensioner will sort your problem.
it sorted my diesel sound :)
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To be honest can see anything wrong with the chain, tensioner or adjustor. So will just change them all and hope for the best. I hope the chain and tensioner will sort your problem.
it sorted my diesel sound :)
What did you replace @k9
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To be honest can see anything wrong with the chain, tensioner or adjustor. So will just change them all and hope for the best. I hope the chain and tensioner will sort your problem.
it sorted my diesel sound :)
What did you replace @k9
they changed the Chain and the tensioner :) much smoother now and no diesel sound :fighting:
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Ahh nice mines booked in end of this month to be done soo hoping this will solve my noise too...hoping I havnt got to buy a adjuster either!!! @k9
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Ahh nice mines booked in end of this month to be done soo hoping this will solve my noise too...hoping I havnt got to buy a adjuster either!!! @k9
got my under 100% warranty :party:
how mch will yours be?
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Ahh nice mines booked in end of this month to be done soo hoping this will solve my noise too...hoping I havnt got to buy a adjuster either!!! @k9
got my under 100% warranty :party:
how mch will yours be?
Fair play! Well I'm gonna do cambelt and water pump while I'm there it's mostly off...been to a garage of mine told me all in including labour £500 :smiley:
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So cam chain, tensioner and adjuster have been changed and here is how she sounds did i waste my time and money??
@vRSAlex (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1981)
before:
http://daz.co/audio/open.mp3
after:
http://daz.co/audio/after.mp3
after with revs:
http://daz.co/audio/after_1.mp3
@Carl123 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9031) have you had yours done?
@k9 does your sould like this?
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So cam chain, tensioner and adjuster have been changed and here is how she sounds did i waste my time and money??
@vRSAlex (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1981)
before:
http://daz.co/audio/open.mp3
after:
http://daz.co/audio/after.mp3
after with revs:
http://daz.co/audio/after_1.mp3
@Carl123 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9031) have you had yours done?
@k9 does your sould like this?
That sounds much better I'm hoping for same results gettin mine done this Tuesday! Have you noticed any changes in running better etc @dazza (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10457)
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@Carl123 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9031) shes running nice actually much quieter at WOT.
So the HPFP tapping is normal. The chainy sound has gone. Will try and take another clip the fan kicked in for some reason.
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@Carl123 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9031) shes running nice actually much quieter at WOT.
So the HPFP tapping is normal. The chainy sound has gone. Will try and take another clip the fan kicked in for some reason.
Ahh looking forward to getting mine done I have a loba hpfp so that's the only I should hear too! Funny you say that I've never heard mine kick in since ownership which is odd and gauge has never gone over half way @dazza (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10457)
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@Carl123 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9031) take some before and after sound clips i would be interested to hear the difference. I forgot what gain i added to my mic on the before so it wasn't an accurate test.
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@Carl123 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9031) take some before and after sound clips i would be interested to hear the difference. I forgot what gain i added to my mic on the before so it wasn't an accurate test.
Yh I'll take a video this weekend before it goes in this Tuesday! I'll be able to get a proper remap done now as its only running on a blufin @dazza (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10457)
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So cam chain, tensioner and adjuster have been changed and here is how she sounds did i waste my time and money??
@vRSAlex (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1981)
before:
http://daz.co/audio/open.mp3
after:
http://daz.co/audio/after.mp3
after with revs:
http://daz.co/audio/after_1.mp3
@Carl123 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9031) have you had yours done?
@k9 does your sould like this?
@dazza (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10457) not quite like that, but can misstake from video sound.
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@K9 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6852) But he tapping of hpfp is this normal?
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@K9 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6852) But he tapping of hpfp is this normal?
@dazze the only normal common tapping i know with the TFSI is the injectors :confused: not sure about the HPFP , can be wrong to
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@K9 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6852) sorry the tapping noise in my sound clip is it normal?
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Anyone familiar with the chain tensioner there is a gauze is this oil feed/return?
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All done @dazza (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10457)
Before
http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Carl_Richard_Beale/media/4F968BD7-0D37-4CE0-A062-E5950DA53F4F_zpsi1grfduu.mp4.html
After
http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Carl_Richard_Beale/media/E94F1255-FCC7-4229-A293-739676473DF2_zpsm7ddktfg.mp4.html
Does yours sound similar to this??
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@Carl123 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9031) you can definitely hear the difference with yours. I will try and take another audio clip without my fan running.
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@Carl123 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9031) you can definitely hear the difference with yours. I will try and take another audio clip without my fan running.
Yh it's such a difference finally sounds like a normal petrol :) @dazza (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=10457)
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Carl did you change the adjuster to or just the the chain and tensioner
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Carl did you change the adjuster to or just the the chain and tensioner
Took a chance changed just the chain and tensioner as when I took it apart you could see the chain was fubar'd @lee_vrs (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8223)
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@Carl123 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9031) took another audio clip http://daz.co/audio/carnew1.mp3 still think mine taps a bit more than yours.
and heres the before http://daz.co/audio/open.mp3
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@Carl123 (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9031) took another audio clip http://daz.co/audio/carnew1.mp3 still think mine taps a bit more than yours.
and heres the before http://daz.co/audio/open.mp3
Hmmm I dunno but I changed my cam adjustment sensor this morning and it's even quieter now maybe you should look into changing that I'll take a vid of how quiet it is now when I get a chance
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Recently had my thermostat changed and now that the gti is running at correct temperature the engine rattles when warm only when idling.....didnt do this before the thermostat change so not sure if it is the chain! Seems to be costing me alot of money so far :( can you guys advise me from listening to the video? Very loud in the cabin as shown on the video. Any help would be grateful before I go get an opinion at VW. Thanks
http://vid902.photobucket.com/albums/ac227/jaye2992/2014-11-23%2015.24.03_zps9hfpfjxq.mp4
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Recently had my thermostat changed and now that the gti is running at correct temperature the engine rattles when warm only when idling.....didnt do this before the thermostat change so not sure if it is the chain! Seems to be costing me alot of money so far :( can you guys advise me from listening to the video? Very loud in the cabin as shown on the video. Any help would be grateful before I go get an opinion at VW. Thanks
http://vid902.photobucket.com/albums/ac227/jaye2992/2014-11-23%2015.24.03_zps9hfpfjxq.mp4
What engine do you have and what milage?
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Sorry it's a 2006 BWA on 66k serviced every 8k at least
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A lot of people with the AXX engine have been changing the cam chain and tensioner i also changed the adjustor. If you have an AXX engine it may be worth looking into. My engine does sound better now.
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Yes read alot on it today but it's hard to tell. Mines a BWA so not sure if this engine was affected
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I have the same clicking noise as well on my CDL engine. It seems like the tensioner or injectors.
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Booked into VW this week....credit card at the ready :sad1: maybe I might be lucky this time.....
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Whats everyone else paying for this job doing including the adjuster? VW say I need the chain, tensioner and adjuster changing and have quoted quite high.....
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Its the adjustor they are not cheap i paid about £400 just for that. What are they quoting?
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Item 6 That's the current part number for those engine models
http://www.partscats.info/volkswagen/en/?i=cat_vag_models&brand=vw&number=1714&set=1728&ein=2007&f=474&hauptgr=1234567890&hg=1&grf=010915420&bf=10915&hgug=109&ug=09&parent_id=2335700&detail_id=2335712
Noticed one here
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2004-AUDI-A3-2-0-FSI-PETROL-CAM-SHAFT-VALVE-ADJUSTER-06F109088J-AXW-/221605504091?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3398b7a45b
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Its the adjustor they are not cheap i paid about £400 just for that. What are they quoting?
Ye thats it, suppose then its done....quoted me £906...luckily I was sat down.
Got another quote from an independant specialist at £730 which is more what I expected.
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Its the adjustor they are not cheap i paid about £400 just for that. What are they quoting?
Ye thats it, suppose then its done....quoted me £906...luckily I was sat down.
Got another quote from an independant specialist at £730 which is more what I expected.
Did this solve your idle noise???