MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: th3_f15t on September 03, 2014, 08:35:24 pm
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vehicle-tax-changes
So we're all happy about the fact tax discs no longer need to be displayed. But how many people realise that another change in the law means from 1st October you can no longer pass on tax with a vehicle, so a new buyer needs to re-tax the car.
Thought I'd point it out... Crafty polititions.
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Definitely crafty and makes buying and selling just that little bit more hassle. Now you'll have to arrange insurance and tax when you buy a car.
I don't quite see the point of it? If there was an obvious benefit then fair enough. Don't fix something that isn't broken and all that.
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Good news and bad news really. Abit sh*t you have to tax a car when you buy it
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It'll come down to refund dates. Sell a car after the 16th and the seller looses a month or refund, where as the buyer will have to pay for that month even though half has passed I bet. 2 months of tax from 1 car.
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The Goverment is set to make a LOT of money out of the new changes - millions! They won't have the cost to produce the disks themselves or the postage costs. You will get a refund of any full months of tax left when you sell. Double whammy for the tax man! The worrying thing is they are offering monthly payment options which can only mean big hikes in yearly tax costs. Money still won't go into improving our roads but spent on more big brother cameras :scared:
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You do get a rebate on the road tax if you sell your car mid policy.
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You do get a rebate on the road tax if you sell your car mid policy.
But are the cut offs like they are now, i.e. after mid month you loose that whole month?
Above all else, we all now have to trust a government run computer system to hold our details correctly. What could possibly go wrong?
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You do get a rebate on the road tax if you sell your car mid policy.
But are the cut offs like they are now, i.e. after mid month you loose that whole month?
Above all else, we all now have to trust a government run computer system to hold our details correctly. What could possibly go wrong?
True do agree with you there.
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Doesn't really bother me what they do, but for those who swap their cars every 3/4 months it will be a bit of a ball ache
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You do get a rebate on the road tax if you sell your car mid policy.
But are the cut offs like they are now, i.e. after mid month you loose that whole month?
Above all else, we all now have to trust a government run computer system to hold our details correctly. What could possibly go wrong?
The refund given now and after the new system starts has never given you any refund for the present month , it is always for the next month onwards. So send the disc off on 2nd of june , you will only get back refund of july onwards . Also the new owner will always have to get tax straight away and pay from the beginning of the month as is the same now. Government will benefit from every car sold as you always lose out on the tax , not so bad if , like our mini at £20pa , but a R32 at £485?? Is quite a bit , around £40 .
Also the new system allows you to pay by direct debit , i think you will find car tax rises will be higher from now on too because of that . Any tax hike will look smaller as it will be divided by 12 over the year so a £50 rise pa will look like a £4 a month rise which doesn't sound so bad .
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It's just another way to hit those people who need a car.
No doubt there will be a fee for the tax refund.
Just seems a under handed way of making more money.
As you say tax hikes on the way.
Personally feel it should be put on fuel. That way those who do more miles pay more.
£30 a year to tax a bmw that does 30-40k a year is a joke. That's going to pollute more than a 2.0Tfsi doing 4k a year, that's if there playing the green card.
Which is toss. It's all about money.
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More duty on fuel is a good solution, but its the corporations with fleets of cars who dictate the way its all done. Its the average road user who's going to suffer.
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It's just another way to hit those people who need a car.
No doubt there will be a fee for the tax refund.
Just seems a under handed way of making more money.
As you say tax hikes on the way.
Personally feel it should be put on fuel. That way those who do more miles pay more.
£30 a year to tax a bmw that does 30-40k a year is a joke. That's going to pollute more than a 2.0Tfsi doing 4k a year, that's if there playing the green card.
Which is toss. It's all about money.
:congrats:
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This is a non story really. Essentially, the changes are that you no longer get a paper tax disc. You get the option of paying by direct debit if you wish, and instead of selling a car with tax you now have to claim it back at the time of sale (something which I always do anyway).
So, you don't have a tax disc any more, but you still get the reminder through the post. Not really a big change there.
So, you get the option to pay by direct debit, but you can still pay yearly if you wish. Nothing changed there other than a new payment option has been added for the drivers convenience.
So, you get a refund of the tax back when you sell a car, and tax the new one when you buy it. That's no big difference really except for the people who like to give away a few months tax on a car they're selling. Personally, why would you want to do that? Cash it in and have the money in your pocket to pay the tax on your new car. The mechanics of cashing it in and new owner re-taxing it hasn't changed. Only full months tax can be claimed back just the same as before, and if you're taxing a car then you have to tax it from the start of the month. The benefit for the Government (and in reality for all of the road users) is that from now on all cars must be taxed, MOT'd and insured at point of sale, rather than people driving off in a car with some tax on the screen and feck all else. If they're not insured / MOT'd then they won't be able to tax it.
There's no more data being gathered, compiled, or held by DVLA than there was under the outgoing system, so no change there.
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What I wanna know is, obviously if you have just bought the car, the v5 wont be in your name. Therefore can anyone tax it?
On v5 it does say that its not proof of ownership but shows whos responsible to tax the car.
Im assuming therefore one person could pay for multiple cars including those not registered in the same name on the v5
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DVLA are currently running a beta service for online tax renewal, so maybe there's some new functionality behind it.
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The video in that link in the first post mentions that you can tax a car at point of sale at the same time with the new owners slip.
I agree with Viking, its not a story but something I dont think everyone is aware on. In theory the new system is better and more convenient. I'd even opt for reminders via email only if I could.
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To police this new system more road cameras will have the number plate recognition system capability to find people who are not taxed or insured - which is great. But this same system can and is used to track people's movements. Great for keeping us all safe from the worst of society but it's not unreasonable to assume that data of normal motorists could be sold by the DVLA as a revenue stream. They already release personal details of drivers for a fee to anyone who wishes to pay it.
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The DVLA were on the radio the other day explaining the new system. They use 10 (that's TEN) cars over the whole of the UK to monitor tax avoidance, and also the British Transport Police camera system. The standard Police ANPR system will flag an untaxed car and will allow the Police to pull them over and fine them / take action but is not linked to the DVLA system tfor the purposes of issuing fines automatically. There was no mention of any further cameras being implemented to increase road coverage by DVLA, unless you know different?
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This is a non story really. Essentially, the changes are that you no longer get a paper tax disc. You get the option of paying by direct debit if you wish, and instead of selling a car with tax you now have to claim it back at the time of sale (something which I always do anyway).
So, you don't have a tax disc any more, but you still get the reminder through the post. Not really a big change there.
So, you get the option to pay by direct debit, but you can still pay yearly if you wish. Nothing changed there other than a new payment option has been added for the drivers convenience.
So, you get a refund of the tax back when you sell a car, and tax the new one when you buy it. That's no big difference really except for the people who like to give away a few months tax on a car they're selling. Personally, why would you want to do that? Cash it in and have the money in your pocket to pay the tax on your new car. The mechanics of cashing it in and new owner re-taxing it hasn't changed. Only full months tax can be claimed back just the same as before, and if you're taxing a car then you have to tax it from the start of the month. The benefit for the Government (and in reality for all of the road users) is that from now on all cars must be taxed, MOT'd and insured at point of sale, rather than people driving off in a car with some tax on the screen and feck all else. If they're not insured / MOT'd then they won't be able to tax it.
There's no more data being gathered, compiled, or held by DVLA than there was under the outgoing system, so no change there.
My take on it pretty much word for word.
If you can't give away a few months (or more) of tax when selling, get a refund on the tax and if you see fit reduce the price of the car accordingly
The cost of paying by direct debit is supposed to be 5% compared to the 10% we currently pay for buying 6months tax.
Doesn't really bother me apart from the bonus of less clutter on the windscreen.
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Our movements, online browsing and activity being sold to advertisers is nothing new. It's been going on since the dawn of advertising, it's just in these modern times data can be collected, analysed and distributed to interested parties (with a fee) within minutes rather than months/years. If we can track Sunday drivers and plot their routes on a map, the rest of us can take a different route to avoid them and their obsessive 35mph everywhere driving.
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Or average speed camera's everywhere
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quick question: what happen if lets say i buy a GTI within this month (before 1st Oct) which taxed til end Jan'15? do i get to keep the tax or need to tax it?
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The tax will already be yours befoe the rule change so you will be unaffected
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quick question: what happen if lets say i buy a GTI within this month (before 1st Oct) which taxed til end Jan'15? do i get to keep the tax or need to tax it?
Yep you will get the tax remaining, I'm also looking to buy a car before this time.
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quick question: what happen if lets say i buy a GTI within this month (before 1st Oct) which taxed til end Jan'15? do i get to keep the tax or need to tax it?
Yep you will get the tax remaining, I'm also looking to buy a car before this time.
i better get the car soon then! :signLOL: