MK5 Golf GTI
All Things Mk5 => Mk5 General Area => Topic started by: maxwellroxwell on September 05, 2014, 10:36:10 pm
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Hi there mk5golf crew!
I will be getting a Golf 1.6 FSI (2005-2007 plate, depending on which I find) soon, like real soon and well I wanted to do a couple of build changes to it (lights, exhaust, windows etc) but I want to know what you guys think I should do first and the best places to start looking for the items. I have no clue about changing things around on the car and where to look etc. I would like to know what changes you guys think I should make first. MY BUDGET TO START OFF IS AROUND £700-£1000.
thanks guys!
Max (a new member to the forum)
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No chance you can put the cash towards a gti instead? My mum has a 1.6fsi and it's a very nice car, but very dull compared with the 2.0 litre.
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No chance you can put the cash towards a gti instead? My mum has a 1.6fsi and it's a very nice car, but very dull compared with the 2.0 litre.
I could however, I won't get insured on a GTI... Well I would but we're looking at very expensive. I'm 18 years old with 1 years no claims..
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I'm 22 years old with 1 years NCB and works out roughly £156 a month which is bad. :happy2: I wouldn't think my age would be any different either seeing as your insurance only goes down when you hit 24/25?
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I'm 22 years old with 1 years NCB and works out roughly £156 a month which is bad. :happy2: I wouldn't think my age would be any different either seeing as your insurance only goes down when you hit 24/25?
Diesel or Petrol? Also what play
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All depends on postcodes, annual mileage, garaged at night etc
Gti is certainly one of the cheaper groups of hot hatch to insure!
£156 a month :sick: think mine was £256 for the year, age 29, with 10 years no claims bonus, ahhh the joys/positives of getting a little older :laugh:
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I was 19 with 2 years NCB when my policy started and paying £1280 a year, the year before (18 with 1 years NCB) I paid basically the same money for a 1.2 Skoda fabia with 54bhp.
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I was 19 with 2 years NCB when my policy started and paying £1280 a year, the year before (18 with 1 years NCB) I paid basically the same money for a 1.2 Skoda fabia with 54bhp.
Ah ok, well 1 years NCB at 18 years old, is going to cost me around £980-£1010 a year depending on policy etc. Which to me for a 04-07 plate 1.6 FSI isn't too bad. It's a nippy car, a nice car for a 2nd car and cheap insurance plus looks smart and even smarter when little tweaks are done to it :)
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I'm 22 years old with 1 years NCB and works out roughly £156 a month which is bad. :happy2: I wouldn't think my age would be any different either seeing as your insurance only goes down when you hit 24/25?
Diesel or Petrol? Also what play
Petrol :)
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The Golf 1.6 FSI is a nice starter car, definitely a lot better than the grossly underpowered 1.4 units and is generally peppy for most scenarios. I typically get around 420 miles to the tank on mine with mixed driving, much more if you're constantly cruising on the motorway.
Performance wise you not going to get big gains on a non-aspirated petrol engine so I wouldn’t really waste your money on things like performance air filters or big bore exhausts (unless you like those sort of things) as it’s not going to do much. Most mods on this particular car would be cosmetic which is not entirely a bad thing as it can be quite pretty if done up right.
You can however uprate the handling since the standard Golf suspension is a bit soft for sporty driving. The 1.6 FSI uses 50mm struts so bear that in mind when choosing dampers or coilovers. Most likely you would want to do this if you plan changing on to bigger alloys wheels and trying to avoid the "tractor look".
Lights are generally the easiest to mod, interior and exterior LED conversions can give it a fresher appearance. If the interior looks a bit battered you can change certain bits such as door grab handles (tip - new ones are cheaper at the dealer than eBay!) and chrome light switches.
If you’re keen on audio then you probably want to change the standard headunit, look out for the MK6 Golf headunits (RCD or RNS 310/510) for an upgrade while maintaining OEM appearance. There are cheaper copies on eBay but they can vary in performance. Alternatively some decent aftermarket Double Din works a treat as well. Oh and by all means do try to avoid the base S models as that only have front speakers which is a bit of a nightmare to work on for the empty rears, go for SE spec or higher if you can.
Other things you can do, well it depends how much you want to spend - frontend bumper to the GT/GTI look, OEM sideskirts, colour coded rear valance, upgraded seats etc. It's a slippery slope once you start modding!
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The Golf 1.6 FSI is a nice starter car, definitely a lot better than the grossly underpowered 1.4 units and is generally peppy for most scenarios. I typically get around 420 miles to the tank on mine with mixed driving, much more if you're constantly cruising on the motorway.
Performance wise you not going to get big gains on a non-aspirated petrol engine so I wouldn’t really waste your money on things like performance air filters or big bore exhausts (unless you like those sort of things) as it’s not going to do much. Most mods on this particular car would be cosmetic which is not entirely a bad thing as it can be quite pretty if done up right.
You can however uprate the handling since the standard Golf suspension is a bit soft for sporty driving. The 1.6 FSI uses 50mm struts so bear that in mind when choosing dampers or coilovers. Most likely you would want to do this if you plan changing on to bigger alloys wheels and trying to avoid the "tractor look".
Lights are generally the easiest to mod, interior and exterior LED conversions can give it a fresher appearance. If the interior looks a bit battered you can change certain bits such as door grab handles (tip - new ones are cheaper at the dealer than eBay!) and chrome light switches.
If you’re keen on audio then you probably want to change the standard headunit, look out for the MK6 Golf headunits (RCD or RNS 310/510) for an upgrade while maintaining OEM appearance. There are cheaper copies on eBay but they can vary in performance. Alternatively some decent aftermarket Double Din works a treat as well. Oh and by all means do try to avoid the base S models as that only have front speakers which is a bit of a nightmare to work on for the empty rears, go for SE spec or higher if you can.
Other things you can do, well it depends how much you want to spend - frontend bumper to the GT/GTI look, OEM sideskirts, colour coded rear valance, upgraded seats etc. It's a slippery slope once you start modding!
Brilliant response with lots of help. I appreciate it. At 18 years old with 1 years NCB and a budget of £3000-£4000 I can't find another car which looks as sleek and nice as the golf in that price range, whilst it being quite quick (always a bonus, despite speed limits etc)... I don't know if you can recommend maybe any other cars or golfs which i'll be able to get insured on that looks and feels as good as the golf 1.6 fsi.(was looking at an audi A3 in the 05 plate region but went off them)Thank you though for a brilliant reponse, you've been great help.
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You could consider the Seat Leon (Second Gen - 2005 onwards) which shares the same underpinnings as the Golf MK5. Personally I think they look great (have a soft spot for them after having a ride in my mates K1 Cupra!) and sportier looking than the equivalent Golf. The downsides is that the interior feels a bit drab and cheap looking compared to the Golf and the sloping windscreen pillar occasionally gets in the way at junctions. But if this doesn't bother you much then they're nice cars and should be accessible for someone your age.
Of course if your heart is already set on a Golf then it's not a bad choice as it's a great all rounder. For some ideas you can have a look at my Golf 1.6 FSI which looks nothing like the original at this stage!
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,19933.msg897153.html#msg897153
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If has to be a lower spec model then why not go for a tdi model, atleast this way you will benefit from cheaper road tax, great economy and alot more torque than the n/a 1.6 petrol will ever offer! 1.9 tdi is a cracking engine
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If has to be a lower spec model then why not go for a tdi model, atleast this way you will benefit from cheaper road tax, great economy and alot more torque than the n/a 1.6 petrol will ever offer! 1.9 tdi is a cracking engine
:happy2:
I'd have to check insurance. A guy at my college has one, diesel injection but IDK what his insurance is like.
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If has to be a lower spec model then why not go for a tdi model, atleast this way you will benefit from cheaper road tax, great economy and alot more torque than the n/a 1.6 petrol will ever offer! 1.9 tdi is a cracking engine
:happy2:
Not only that but lower BHP and slower 0-60 but then again as a teenager that's all i'll look at :ashamed:
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If has to be a lower spec model then why not go for a tdi model, atleast this way you will benefit from cheaper road tax, great economy and alot more torque than the n/a 1.6 petrol will ever offer! 1.9 tdi is a cracking engine
:happy2:
Not only that but lower BHP and slower 0-60 but then again as a teenager that's all i'll look at :ashamed:
What makes you think it has lower bhp and slower 0-60 mate?
Even a basic 105bhp 1.9tdi is more powerful than the 1.6fsi, map the tdi and you have a pokey little motor there or better still get a 1.9tdi 130bhp model and map it to 170bhp, be giving a standard Gti a run for its money there, we had a mapped 130 tdi and went like fook :happy2:
Id personally avoid the 1.6 petrol like the plague as they absolutely gutless withe the 99bjp or whatever it is and no torque etc
Tdi may be slightly more to insure but you get that back in road tax and fuel economy easily
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If has to be a lower spec model then why not go for a tdi model, atleast this way you will benefit from cheaper road tax, great economy and alot more torque than the n/a 1.6 petrol will ever offer! 1.9 tdi is a cracking engine
:happy2:
Not only that but lower BHP and slower 0-60 but then again as a teenager that's all i'll look at :ashamed:
What makes you think it has lower bhp and slower 0-60 mate?
Even a basic 105bhp 1.9tdi is more powerful than the 1.6fsi, map the tdi and you have a pokey little motor there or better still get a 1.9tdi 130bhp model and map it to 170bhp, be giving a standard Gti a run for its money there, we had a mapped 130 tdi and went like fook :happy2:
Id personally avoid the 1.6 petrol like the plague as they absolutely gutless withe the 99bjp or whatever it is and no torque etc
Tdi may be slightly more to insure but you get that back in road tax and fuel economy easily
Saw it online (looked it up)... 115 bhp on the 1.6 fsi. and the tdi is 105bhp.
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Seriously mate drive both i think you be very suprised and remember the Tdi is easily 130-140bhp with a quick £250 remap :laugh:
Bhp means absolutely nothing without some Grunty Torque to go with it which the Tdi has and the 1.6 fsi doesn't :sad1:
Only my oppinion mate but if for some reason I couldn't have my Gti id have the tdi version over any of the n/a petrol versions
My wifes 140tdi mk5 is a really spot on motor, goes very very well and more torque than a standard Gti oh and returns 600 miles on a tank of fuel where as mine struggles to return 350 miles,
Good luck in the search whatever you decide anyway :happy2:
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Definitely the TDI over the N/A 1.6 FSI
Check out these graphs:
1.9 TDI: http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/golfmk5tdi105bhp.pdf
FSI 1.6: http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/vag16fsi.pdf
The standard 1.9TDI puts out almost twice as much torque as the petrol motor and at just 2k RPM.
You have to put over 5,000 RPM in the 1.6 before you make more power than the TDI.
And that's only comparing standard, look at the graphs after the tune - torque all day for me. :happy2:
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Torque can be way more interesting than bhp :laugh: bhp sells cars torque wins races :smiley:
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Seriously mate drive both i think you be very suprised and remember the Tdi is easily 130-140bhp with a quick £250 remap :laugh:
Bhp means absolutely nothing without some Grunty Torque to go with it which the Tdi has and the 1.6 fsi doesn't :sad1:
Only my oppinion mate but if for some reason I couldn't have my Gti id have the tdi version over any of the n/a petrol versions
My wifes 140tdi mk5 is a really spot on motor, goes very very well and more torque than a standard Gti oh and returns 600 miles on a tank of fuel where as mine struggles to return 350 miles,
Good luck in the search whatever you decide anyway :happy2:
Re map will make my insurance soar. Fuel isn't a massive problem tbh...